Yep. And he offered his services to the defense when he was on the witness stand.
He did! LOL He said something like 'you didn't ask... I would have looked if you had asked' ... I think that might have been the wheel base thing...
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He did! LOL He said something like 'you didn't ask... I would have looked if you had asked' ... I think that might have been the wheel base thing...
He is a scream. Interesting that the DT is calling him.
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Is he the one you said you cant understand a word he said or is that someone else?
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That is him! He has a thick accent.
No clue lol He does have an accent though (which I am terrible with) ... and the sound has not always been the greatest with L&C.
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When did McGee start feeling ill? After lunch yesterday, wasn't it? Hmm...I do hope he's okay and nobody slipped anything in his food or drink!(Sorry to go there but I can't help feeling a tad suspicious!)
I had the same thought. They should bring their own food.
I need to keep this for the moment.
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So - I'm guessing that Stutchman was the last witness for the defense yesterday since there were no more tweets on anybody else?
TIA!
edited to add - never mind - I went to Cathy's tweets - and yes that was the last witness for the day.
TIA!
edited to add - never mind - I went to Cathy's tweets - and yes that was the last witness for the day.
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Thursday, April 25th:
*Trial continues (Day 46) (@ 9:30am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt (57/now 60) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
Trial started 1/7/19. Dark on all Fridays. 8 women & 4 men (alternates include 4 men & 2 women).
Trial Days (1-43: (1/17/19 thru 4/22/19) reference post #315 here:
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17
4/23/19 Day 44: Defense witnesses: Randolph Beasley, forensic consultant on cross. Gregg Stutchman, owner of Stutchman Forensic Labs (specialize in the forensic analysis & enhancement of recorded evidence). Motions hearing on 4/24, jurors in after motion hearing.
4/24/19 Day 45: Hearing without the jury present. Google rep in court. Defense subpoenaed records from Merritt's google account. Judge quashes the subpoena saying it's too broad. Also, Merritt doesn't remember the answers to security questions. Defense witness: Gregg Stutchman, defense video expert (reviewing video from neighbor's house of truck). Court continues on 4/25.
Tentative Schedule for week of April 22nd thru 26th: Court with jurors on April 22 (Monday) and April 23 (Tuesday). On April 24 (Wednesday) - Motion hearing: Quash SDT-Google/Microsoft (Microsoft Corp. Motion To Quash Defendants Subpoena Duces Tecum), jurors in after motion hearing Court with jurors on April 25 (Thursday). Dark on April 26 (Friday).
*Trial continues (Day 46) (@ 9:30am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt (57/now 60) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
Trial started 1/7/19. Dark on all Fridays. 8 women & 4 men (alternates include 4 men & 2 women).
Trial Days (1-43: (1/17/19 thru 4/22/19) reference post #315 here:
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17
4/23/19 Day 44: Defense witnesses: Randolph Beasley, forensic consultant on cross. Gregg Stutchman, owner of Stutchman Forensic Labs (specialize in the forensic analysis & enhancement of recorded evidence). Motions hearing on 4/24, jurors in after motion hearing.
4/24/19 Day 45: Hearing without the jury present. Google rep in court. Defense subpoenaed records from Merritt's google account. Judge quashes the subpoena saying it's too broad. Also, Merritt doesn't remember the answers to security questions. Defense witness: Gregg Stutchman, defense video expert (reviewing video from neighbor's house of truck). Court continues on 4/25.
Tentative Schedule for week of April 22nd thru 26th: Court with jurors on April 22 (Monday) and April 23 (Tuesday). On April 24 (Wednesday) - Motion hearing: Quash SDT-Google/Microsoft (Microsoft Corp. Motion To Quash Defendants Subpoena Duces Tecum), jurors in after motion hearing Court with jurors on April 25 (Thursday). Dark on April 26 (Friday).
The more I think about it, the more the DK thing is absurd
I could believe DK slipping back into Cali, murdering the family in the house and sneaking straight back to Hawaii for a fake alibi. It would be a dumb plan because of PAX records. But hey. Murderers do dumb things. The family get found in the house some days later by the first visitor. DK is in Hawaii. People saw him there. Maybe no one ever looks to closely, because of spending records, phones and friends alibiing him, and his time out of Hawaii is only very short - like one day.
What I can't believe is DK spending some days staging the family going to Mexico and burying bodies in the desert, as well as then sneaking back to Hawaii. it takes him out of Hawaii too long.
The two plans cut across each other and the whole thing is way too Hollywood.
I could believe DK slipping back into Cali, murdering the family in the house and sneaking straight back to Hawaii for a fake alibi. It would be a dumb plan because of PAX records. But hey. Murderers do dumb things. The family get found in the house some days later by the first visitor. DK is in Hawaii. People saw him there. Maybe no one ever looks to closely, because of spending records, phones and friends alibiing him, and his time out of Hawaii is only very short - like one day.
What I can't believe is DK spending some days staging the family going to Mexico and burying bodies in the desert, as well as then sneaking back to Hawaii. it takes him out of Hawaii too long.
The two plans cut across each other and the whole thing is way too Hollywood.
Just a quick transcript of the chit-chat at the end of yesterday's session. @Edmo to answer to your question I think it must be a polygraph San Bernardino administered considering the four officers they're calling. If so it must be a second one because he said he gave one to Lt Brugos of San Diego in this interview:
24th April - 1:18:20
Judge: On that note it’s after 4:15 so we’ll go ahead and take our evening recess today. I understand you can’t be here tomorrow?
GS: Yeah. I’ve got a flight out.
J: Can you be here on Monday?
GS: I’m coming from Napa.
J: I understand. Bring wine when you come back.
Laughter
BI: You’ll have to provide a travel suitcase your honour.
J: We all need a LOT!
Laughter
J: That may be the only thing we all unanimously agree on. Is there a day next week that you can be back?
GS: Can I get my I-Pad?
J: Sure.
BI: While we’re figuring that out your honour can we just excuse the jury so as to not delay their departure?
J: Sure, will we have another witness for tomorrow?
RM: Yes.
J: Alright, so we’ll be in recess until 9.30 tomorrow morning, keep in mind the admonitions previously given to you, not to form or express an opinion about the case, not to discuss the case or allow anyone to discuss the case with you, again that means not discussing anything about the case, any of the witnesses, testimony, exhibits, parties or attorneys, we will let you know what day to bring your wine glasses in.
Laughter
J: Let me address a couple of things that were asked by jurors. One juror has a date in May that they need to be off, we’ll work with that, hopefully you’ll be deliberating by then, which kind of dovetails with the other question – what’s [your] information current anticipated date for end of witness testimony, closing arguments, start of jury deliberations? Ahh, I don’t have a clue. Every time I’ve tried to estimate it in talk with the attorneys I’ve been wrong. So uh, I would say probably sooner rather than later, I’m hoping either the last week in April or perhaps the first week in May? Uh, but, as I say, I’ve been wrong [x] discuss that with the attorneys, give you that information and it turns out not to be correct. Oh, good question - also what are the rules for availability of alternate jurors during deliberations? The alternates don’t get to go into deliberations so we let you go ahead and go back home, go about your business, we just need to make sure we have a good phone number where we can reach you and if you want to be here when the jury says we’ve reached a verdict one way or the other well whatever they’re gonna do it always takes some time for us to assemble everyone so there’s time for you to be here. Otherwise if you can’t be here we will call you and let you know what the verdict is. If the verdict is a verdict that means we would continue to the next phase then we would tell you that and tell you what date we’re gonna start. If the verdict is we’re not going to the next phase then we would tell you that. Okay? And I’ll go over that in more detail with you when we send the jury out to begin their deliberations. Does that answer your question?
Female Juror 1: I have a date in May that I need off, do I tell you now or [x]?
J: Let’s wait, hopefully you’ll be deliberating.
FJ1: I haven’t used any dates.
Laughter
J: I know, we’re way past where we told you we would be, and so we will definitely, we’ll work with everyone on that.
FJ2: We’re the same date that we both need but if we’re already deliberating does that mean like we can’t have a day off at that point?
J: No. you can still have a day off.
FJ2: Ok that was my question.
Male Juror: I have an issue cos I need [tour?] days I’m a football coach and June 3rd I [x] tour days and there’s no other..
J: Don’t even talk about June. [laughter] If we get to a second phase, depending on how long the jury’s out deliberating, then maybe that will become an issue and we’ll work around it. Ok. See you all back tomorrow.
Jury leaves.
RM: I just text to get an update, so hopefully I’ll get one soon.
J: I received a message from his doctor, that said tell him to calm down.
Laughter
J: So you can pass that along.
RM: I will (laughing).
SD: Your honour, I have something very brief, it’s not litigious,
J: The record reflect all parties and counsel are still present, the jurors have left. Yes?
SD: Before the break, before the technical difficulties alternate no.3 apparently hearing my incessant cough which I’m trying to stifle plopped some cough drops on my table as they walked out. I handed them to Deputy Jackson during the break and asked him to tell them [x], I have my own.
J: So now you have a close personal relationship with our alternate juror (laughs). Alright thank you, I appreciate you mentioning it.
SD: Additionally we have lined up at Mr McGee’s request four officers for tomorrow and I don’t know if they’re still needed, or what’s happening.
BI: On the subject of the testimony they’d like to know so they can be prepared to do that to expedite proceedings.
J: If Mr Maline or Mr McGee could text counsel and let them know that no.1 they’re needed and no.2 what they might be testifying about so they can review that.
SD: And speaking with Mr McGee yesterday he said he’s off for two days, so 48 hours.
J: Hopefully that meant yesterday and today, not today and tomorrow.
SD: He said 48 hours so I don’t know.
RM: That’s actually what I was trying to clarify so, [sending text] do you mind if I ask…
SD: Hart, Hanke, Bachman, Steers.
RM: Bachman, Steers, Hanke…
MR: And Hart.
RM: Hart? My guess is, well, Bachman will be the uh I wanted you guys to remove or take out what you guys wanted to take out of that.
BI: No it was left that you were going to [x] segments you wanted
RM: What I, all I did was take, cos I don’t know what you guys want in or whatever, so I took out the polygraph, stuff, that’s what I took out. So if there’s other portions, I imagine there are, then you guys…
J: This isn’t on the record.
BI: Yeah but we’re gonna need to be heard early in the morning cos
RM: Yeah we’re gonna have to, that’s with Bachman, we can do that with Bachman or Hanke yeah, so
J: So as of now let’s have those witnesses here rather than not and then if they have a different witness so be it, if we need to address something we can address it.
BI: Did you have a different witness in mind Raj when you said you had a witness for tomorrow?
RM: Yeah, we have two witnesses tomorrow, one is Dr Rudin and we have Joshua Villanueva from [WalkerC-melon???]
BI: Ok so yeah we’re gonna need to be heard in the morning cos Dr Rudin creates some litigious issues and there was a discovery issue as to this Mr Villanueva I believe.
RM: No it’s just the report set out in the [?]
J: Ok 9 o’clock counsel and parties be here at 9 o’clock tomorrow.
RM: Ok there’s no need to review there’s no nothing there’s just the statements in the report.
24th April - 1:18:20
Judge: On that note it’s after 4:15 so we’ll go ahead and take our evening recess today. I understand you can’t be here tomorrow?
GS: Yeah. I’ve got a flight out.
J: Can you be here on Monday?
GS: I’m coming from Napa.
J: I understand. Bring wine when you come back.
Laughter
BI: You’ll have to provide a travel suitcase your honour.
J: We all need a LOT!
Laughter
J: That may be the only thing we all unanimously agree on. Is there a day next week that you can be back?
GS: Can I get my I-Pad?
J: Sure.
BI: While we’re figuring that out your honour can we just excuse the jury so as to not delay their departure?
J: Sure, will we have another witness for tomorrow?
RM: Yes.
J: Alright, so we’ll be in recess until 9.30 tomorrow morning, keep in mind the admonitions previously given to you, not to form or express an opinion about the case, not to discuss the case or allow anyone to discuss the case with you, again that means not discussing anything about the case, any of the witnesses, testimony, exhibits, parties or attorneys, we will let you know what day to bring your wine glasses in.
Laughter
J: Let me address a couple of things that were asked by jurors. One juror has a date in May that they need to be off, we’ll work with that, hopefully you’ll be deliberating by then, which kind of dovetails with the other question – what’s [your] information current anticipated date for end of witness testimony, closing arguments, start of jury deliberations? Ahh, I don’t have a clue. Every time I’ve tried to estimate it in talk with the attorneys I’ve been wrong. So uh, I would say probably sooner rather than later, I’m hoping either the last week in April or perhaps the first week in May? Uh, but, as I say, I’ve been wrong [x] discuss that with the attorneys, give you that information and it turns out not to be correct. Oh, good question - also what are the rules for availability of alternate jurors during deliberations? The alternates don’t get to go into deliberations so we let you go ahead and go back home, go about your business, we just need to make sure we have a good phone number where we can reach you and if you want to be here when the jury says we’ve reached a verdict one way or the other well whatever they’re gonna do it always takes some time for us to assemble everyone so there’s time for you to be here. Otherwise if you can’t be here we will call you and let you know what the verdict is. If the verdict is a verdict that means we would continue to the next phase then we would tell you that and tell you what date we’re gonna start. If the verdict is we’re not going to the next phase then we would tell you that. Okay? And I’ll go over that in more detail with you when we send the jury out to begin their deliberations. Does that answer your question?
Female Juror 1: I have a date in May that I need off, do I tell you now or [x]?
J: Let’s wait, hopefully you’ll be deliberating.
FJ1: I haven’t used any dates.
Laughter
J: I know, we’re way past where we told you we would be, and so we will definitely, we’ll work with everyone on that.
FJ2: We’re the same date that we both need but if we’re already deliberating does that mean like we can’t have a day off at that point?
J: No. you can still have a day off.
FJ2: Ok that was my question.
Male Juror: I have an issue cos I need [tour?] days I’m a football coach and June 3rd I [x] tour days and there’s no other..
J: Don’t even talk about June. [laughter] If we get to a second phase, depending on how long the jury’s out deliberating, then maybe that will become an issue and we’ll work around it. Ok. See you all back tomorrow.
Jury leaves.
RM: I just text to get an update, so hopefully I’ll get one soon.
J: I received a message from his doctor, that said tell him to calm down.
Laughter
J: So you can pass that along.
RM: I will (laughing).
SD: Your honour, I have something very brief, it’s not litigious,
J: The record reflect all parties and counsel are still present, the jurors have left. Yes?
SD: Before the break, before the technical difficulties alternate no.3 apparently hearing my incessant cough which I’m trying to stifle plopped some cough drops on my table as they walked out. I handed them to Deputy Jackson during the break and asked him to tell them [x], I have my own.
J: So now you have a close personal relationship with our alternate juror (laughs). Alright thank you, I appreciate you mentioning it.
SD: Additionally we have lined up at Mr McGee’s request four officers for tomorrow and I don’t know if they’re still needed, or what’s happening.
BI: On the subject of the testimony they’d like to know so they can be prepared to do that to expedite proceedings.
J: If Mr Maline or Mr McGee could text counsel and let them know that no.1 they’re needed and no.2 what they might be testifying about so they can review that.
SD: And speaking with Mr McGee yesterday he said he’s off for two days, so 48 hours.
J: Hopefully that meant yesterday and today, not today and tomorrow.
SD: He said 48 hours so I don’t know.
RM: That’s actually what I was trying to clarify so, [sending text] do you mind if I ask…
SD: Hart, Hanke, Bachman, Steers.
RM: Bachman, Steers, Hanke…
MR: And Hart.
RM: Hart? My guess is, well, Bachman will be the uh I wanted you guys to remove or take out what you guys wanted to take out of that.
BI: No it was left that you were going to [x] segments you wanted
RM: What I, all I did was take, cos I don’t know what you guys want in or whatever, so I took out the polygraph, stuff, that’s what I took out. So if there’s other portions, I imagine there are, then you guys…
J: This isn’t on the record.
BI: Yeah but we’re gonna need to be heard early in the morning cos
RM: Yeah we’re gonna have to, that’s with Bachman, we can do that with Bachman or Hanke yeah, so
J: So as of now let’s have those witnesses here rather than not and then if they have a different witness so be it, if we need to address something we can address it.
BI: Did you have a different witness in mind Raj when you said you had a witness for tomorrow?
RM: Yeah, we have two witnesses tomorrow, one is Dr Rudin and we have Joshua Villanueva from [WalkerC-melon???]
BI: Ok so yeah we’re gonna need to be heard in the morning cos Dr Rudin creates some litigious issues and there was a discovery issue as to this Mr Villanueva I believe.
RM: No it’s just the report set out in the [?]
J: Ok 9 o’clock counsel and parties be here at 9 o’clock tomorrow.
RM: Ok there’s no need to review there’s no nothing there’s just the statements in the report.
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I've found a Joshua Villanueva who works as a Cyber Security Analyst.
But there's also another one who works in sciences so maybe back to the spatter on the table?
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2065434572_Joshua_Villanueva
But there's also another one who works in sciences so maybe back to the spatter on the table?
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2065434572_Joshua_Villanueva
Thanks for this mate
I suspect the defence is wanting to discuss Chase's interview with detectives, and of course the full transcript/recording will come into evidence, but as the polygraph is not admissible, the defence took that out of the exhibit?
And Maline is then indicating that the State will probably also want to drop some stuff out.
So instead of Malines silly idea of playing hours of IV in Court, the defence instead wants to effectively cross examine the detectives on the defendants interview?
It seems like a backdoor way of having Chase testify without testifying, and then attacking the officers about what was said?
(i may have this wrong)
I've found a Joshua Villanueva who works as a Cyber Security Analyst.
But there's also another one who works in sciences so maybe back to the spatter on the table?
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2065434572_Joshua_Villanueva
I believe he said Walker's sheet metal...
That is who Chase used to complete the water fountain for Geis Construction IIRC.
ETA: There is a Walkers Custom Sheet Metal in Rancho Cucamonga
ETAA: I just listened to this again ... now I'm not 100% but it sure sounds like "Walkers.. shhhh mmmmhmmm" LOL Maybe others could listen to it and chime in... it's in the last 20-30 seconds of Part 3 yesterday.
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Yes, thank you! Unfortunately I didn't get to hear the ending so this is great.
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It's quite possible that DK had some sort of involvement but nothing can be proved, very similar to the situation that now exist with CM. LE sabotaged this case 9 years ago, it's now fatally flawed and IMO, no one will ever be convicted for their murders.
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