CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #18

[katydid23]

Did anyone suggest so in this case? Kindly review the post I quoted to which my post was in reply to.

Those of us who believe, e.g., DK may be involved, have never said something like "I want DK to be jailed for life. Even though he's not a defendant, I believe he's guilty and I want him to rot in prison." On the other hand, some, including the one I was replying to, made such statement about CM.

Maybe because Chase is on trial as charged with the four brutal murders. And DK is only being 'charged' with this murder in the minds of CM's attorneys. They have fantasied and conjured up his future arrest using their imaginations, not reality.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

They should of known that though and been prepared, because it was initially expected the trial would go for months, not weeks.

Exactly. This is pure BS. Addi said “the equipment was needed elsewhere,” which is BS since there are no trials live today. Besides, this goes back to them only having 2 camera setups total. I am so over their BS. CourtTV here I come!

 

[Karinna]

Maybe because Chase is on trial as charged with the four brutal murders. And DK is only being 'charged' with this murder in the minds of CM's attorneys. They have fantasied and conjured up his future arrest using their imaginations, not reality.

Exactly. It's what DT's usually do to try and deflect from the one accused of the crimes to try and create reasonable doubt, and will stoop to new kinds of lows to get a guilty defendant off the hook. It's just their job, and the justice system needs them to give a fair trial as per the accused's constitutional rights.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It wasn't because of the search warrants.

This was his cross-examination:

8:00 Day 7 Part 2

Maline: You were letting them do what they wanted to do, correct? The handlers?

DuGal: I directed them to what I wanted them to do and then I later found out that they extended that to what they wanted to do and I was appreciative of what they did.

Maline: Ok, did you tell them that you wanted them or you wanted their dogs to pick up to try to pick up any scents within the house?

DuGal: No.

Maline: Why?

DuGal: Because if there's, during our search if we didn't find any bodies or any indication of body parts, decomposition is not an issue inside the house.

Maline: What if there's hidden material that you can't see? Wouldn't you want them to pick up those scents?

Objection, argumentative, lacks foundation - sustained.

Maline: Isn't it just as important to pick up scents within the house that maybe are not visible with the naked eye?

Objection, argumentative - sustained also assumes facts not in evidence.

Maline: So is your answer that you did not direct them to try to pick up scents within the house? Is that correct?

DuGal: That's correct.


So he's assumed because he didn't see anything bodies wouldn't have been there and then moved out of the house.

I'm sorry, but Dugal comes across at times as dumb as dirt.

I think what a totally different direction this case would have taken early on if the dogs had been brought in to search inside the home.

He should have taken into account the bodies had been removed from the home. The dogs would have still been able to pick up the scents easily.

Nothing should have been off the table of possibilties at that point.

He shouldn't have assumed anything at that point when he had nothing to support his foolish assumptions.

I've never seen anyone in LE that wouldnt have immediately brought the dogs in when an entire family had vanished into thin air.

Its SOP 101 for both scent dogs and cadaver dogs to be brought in when someone is missing.

I don't believe for one second he couldn't have gone to a judge and obtain a SW for inside so the dogs could been brought in,and at least told them they either were alive when they left or whether the cadaver dogs hit inside.

Fgs, what does he do in other missing person cases? Every missing person case I've ever seen, but this one, the first thing they did was obtain a SW for inside, and outside of their home, and they immediately bring in both scent trailing, and cadaver dogs.

None of it makes any sense.

Imo

 

[smr]

Maybe because Chase is on trial as charged with the four brutal murders. And DK is only being 'charged' with this murder in the minds of CM's attorneys. They have fantasied and conjured up his future arrest using their imaginations, not reality.

No, it's not. If DK were on trial for the murders, I would still not make similar statement about him as some made about CM. Some types of statements hinders an open minded discussion.

 

[Karinna]

I'm sorry, but Dugal comes across at times as dumb as dirt.

I think wgat a totally different direction this case would have taken early on if the dogs had been brought in to search inside the home.

He should have taken into account the bodies had been removed from the home. The dogs would have still been able to pick up the scents easily.

Nothing should have been off the table of possibilties at that point.

He shouldn't have assumed anything at that point when he had nothing to support his foolish assumptions.

I've never seen anyone in LE that wouldnt have immediately brought the dogs in when an entire family had vanished into thin air.

Its SOP 101 for both scent dogs and cadaver dogs to be brought in when someone is missing.

I don't believe for one second he couldn't have gone to a judge and obtain a SW for inside so the dogs could have at least told them they either were alive when they left or whether the cadaver dogs hit inside.

Fgs, what does he do in other missing person cases? Every missing person case I've ever seen, but this one, the first thing they did was obtain a SW for inside, and outside of their home, and they immediately bring in both scent trailing, and cadaver dogs.

None of it makes any sense.

Imo

I agree ocean, it should of been SOP in this case. But if the McStay family were removed very promptly after the murders, i don't think the dogs would of detected that type of scent yet. But a blood detection dog could of alerted, just not a cadaver dog. But as i said it depends on the time frame of what happened after the fact. IMO.

 

[Niner]

CourtTV should be on the air - I believe I read on May 8th. Some of you might want to write to Vinnie!

Also - I ask whomever listens to the audio of today's hearing - could you please post "who" is on the stand & their job titles? And I thank you in advance! I'm following about 5 or 6 trials (lost count), so it would very much appreciated!

 

[asyousay]

So do people think they have taken the cameras away again as what with all the dark days coming up again I honestly can not blame them?

 

[Force Ten]

It wasn't because of the search warrants.

This was his cross-examination:

8:00 Day 7 Part 2

Maline: You were letting them do what they wanted to do, correct? The handlers?

DuGal: I directed them to what I wanted them to do and then I later found out that they extended that to what they wanted to do and I was appreciative of what they did.

Maline: Ok, did you tell them that you wanted them or you wanted their dogs to pick up to try to pick up any scents within the house?

DuGal: No.

Maline: Why?

DuGal: Because if there's, during our search if we didn't find any bodies or any indication of body parts, decomposition is not an issue inside the house.

Maline: What if there's hidden material that you can't see? Wouldn't you want them to pick up those scents?

Objection, argumentative, lacks foundation - sustained.

Maline: Isn't it just as important to pick up scents within the house that maybe are not visible with the naked eye?

Objection, argumentative - sustained also assumes facts not in evidence.

Maline: So is your answer that you did not direct them to try to pick up scents within the house? Is that correct?

DuGal: That's correct.


So he's assumed because he didn't see anything bodies wouldn't have been there and then moved out of the house.

Thanks. I could swear I heard him say it had to do with the warrants.

 

[asyousay]

Thank God we are a land of law. Just imagine what if everyone, with or without sound reasoning, gets his/her wish fulfilled in that all the people he/she believes to be guilty is imprisoned. Oh, actually, it will be a chaotic situation, where A believes B guilty, B believes C guilty, C believes A guilty........ the result could be, the entire population should be imprisoned.

He is on trial for murder and all the evidence points to his guilt.

He is as guilty as charged and I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

He knew the family were dead as he was in the home on the night the family were murdered writing out and deleting a cheque. He then called Joey once that entire weekend, yet has the audacity to claim they were best friends. DK was a lot more concerned over the coming weeks than Chase ever was.

 

[KALI]

Yep. Sorry, I'd call that kind of behavior, lazy and inept. Because of this behavior, the McStays went years in torture searching for live family members. I'm so disgusted.

It wasn't because of the search warrants.

This was his cross-examination:

8:00 Day 7 Part 2

Maline: You were letting them do what they wanted to do, correct? The handlers?

DuGal: I directed them to what I wanted them to do and then I later found out that they extended that to what they wanted to do and I was appreciative of what they did.

Maline: Ok, did you tell them that you wanted them or you wanted their dogs to pick up to try to pick up any scents within the house?

DuGal: No.

Maline: Why?

DuGal: Because if there's, during our search if we didn't find any bodies or any indication of body parts, decomposition is not an issue inside the house.

Maline: What if there's hidden material that you can't see? Wouldn't you want them to pick up those scents?

Objection, argumentative, lacks foundation - sustained.

Maline: Isn't it just as important to pick up scents within the house that maybe are not visible with the naked eye?

Objection, argumentative - sustained also assumes facts not in evidence.

Maline: So is your answer that you did not direct them to try to pick up scents within the house? Is that correct?

DuGal: That's correct.


So he's assumed because he didn't see anything bodies wouldn't have been there and then moved out of the house.

 

[smr]

He is on trial for murder and all the evidence points to his guilt.

He is as guilty as charged and I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

He knew the family were dead as he was in the home on the night the family were murdered writing out and deleting a cheque. He then called Joey once that entire weekend, yet has the audacity to claim they were best friends. DK was a lot more concerned over the coming weeks than Chase ever was.

It's been taking almost 4 months now for evidence to be presented from both sides and it's still not finished. I certainly can't hope to be able to provide a list of reasons in one post as to why I don't see a shred of solid proof linking CM to the murders.

 

[Recidivist]

It's been taking almost 4 months now for evidence to be presented from both sides and it's still not finished. I certainly can't hope to be able to provide a list of reasons in one post as to why I don't see a shred of solid proof linking CM to the murders.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

 

[smr]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

Reply in kind, as far as logical reasoning goes.

 

[asyousay]

It's been taking almost 4 months now for evidence to be presented from both sides and it's still not finished. I certainly can't hope to be able to provide a list of reasons in one post as to why I don't see a shred of solid proof linking CM to the murders.

Are the defense not wrapping up next week?

So not much more to come one would assume.

All I have seen is the defense try and blame a innocent man and so gutless they haven’t even had the balls to put him on the stand coz they know it will backfire.

If The Defense wish to claim that DK did it at least stick him on the stand and ask him questions.

 

[smr]

Are the defense not wrapping up next week?

So not much more to come one would assume.

All I have seen is the defense try and blame a innocent man and so gutless they haven’t even had the balls to put him on the stand coz they know it will backfire.

If The Defense wish to claim that DK did it at least stick him on the stand and ask him questions.

I will refer you to these:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

Reply in kind, as far as logical reasoning goes.

 

[mrjitty]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

Or maybe he didn't want to catch 4 murders with no bodies

Missing persons is so much better for the stats

/ Rawls

 

[Texas Red]

Are the defense not wrapping up next week?

So not much more to come one would assume.

All I have seen is the defense try and blame a innocent man and so gutless they haven’t even had the balls to put him on the stand coz they know it will backfire.

If The Defense wish to claim that DK did it at least stick him on the stand and ask him questions.

It’s been 4 months and all the PT has managed to do is show CM potentially had motive but so did several others. They have not connected him to the murders whatsoever, they have not produced one iota of physical forensic evidence. All they’ve done is recited a potpourri of innuendos suggesting Merritt’s guilt, not unlike a magic trick relying upon the power of suggestion, repeat something enough times and it must be true.

I will not be swayed until I see reliable evidence linking Merritt to either the alleged crime scene or the burial site.

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks. I could swear I heard him say it had to do with the warrants.

I thought that too - but maybe that was a different day?

His testimony seemed to go on forever

 

[citygirl]

Are the defense not wrapping up next week?

So not much more to come one would assume.

All I have seen is the defense try and blame a innocent man and so gutless they haven’t even had the balls to put him on the stand coz they know it will backfire.

If The Defense wish to claim that DK did it at least stick him on the stand and ask him questions.

I think we have two policemen and Dr.Rudin left.