CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #19

[Karinna]

As if we all agree on what are facts and what aren't.



Who do you think physically shut down the E-Machine on Feb. 8th (2010)?
Where do you think the computer JOSEPE-LAP went? Who took it?

BBM, By the thief Merritt, and same place JM's wallet and SM's purse etc. were missing and never recovered yet. Merritt had plenty of time to get rid of evidence.
And where do you think the 7 chapters of the book Merritt was writing on the McStay family went? The book he promised to hand to LE that he never did?

 

[smr]

BBM, By the thief Merritt, and same place JM's wallet and SM's purse etc. were missing and never recovered yet. Merritt had plenty of time to get rid of evidence.
And where do you think the 7 chapters of the book Merritt was writing on the McStay family went? The book he promised to hand to LE that he never did?

BBM

Bold faced part: NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. One can call Chase Merritt a thief a zillion times, that doesn't make him a murderer.

JOSEPE-LAP, where are you? Who took you from Joey's house, and why?

 

[Bernina]

When did DK first call LE for them to do a wellness check on JM and his family when he wasn't able to contact Joey? Wasn't that around the 9th. of Feb.?

I *believe* it was the 9th, Around that time or the day prior he called PM. He also posted a FB post asking if anyone knew where the family was. I can look for it and check the date. It was on JM's FB page.

 

[Karinna]

BBM

Bold faced part: NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. One can call Chase Merritt a thief a zillion times, that doesn't make him a murderer.

JOSEPE-LAP, where are you? Who took you from Joey's house, and why?

Theft is usually a good reason for murder. Especially when you want the money that belongs to someone else. Happens in a lot of criminal cases actually.
And Merritt is a thief by his previous incarcerations and charges to that fact.

 

[Karinna]

I *believe* it was the 9th, Around that time or the day prior he called PM. He also posted a FB post asking if anyone knew where the family was. I can look for it and check the date. It was on JM's FB page.

Thanks Bernina, I had read about it a while ago, and the 9th. was what i remembered reading.

 

[Mica]

All that would be logical if you were a close family member IMO.
If not, then it tells me that MM etc. were just going to wait and see if the family would return home anytime soon. Perhaps initially they would of been in denial anything terrible had happened to their loved ones? Who would even really would want to think that, especially with two small children involved?

I think you missed my point. It is my opinion he should have immediately thought foul play, and not a 10 day vacay, especially since those items were left behind. How often did the family go on a 10 day vacay for it to be the norm? Tracy spoke to Summer that morning. No mention of a 10 day vacay. Fear of something terrible happening is one thing, but c’mon. Suspected foul play is the reason Dugal secured a warrant. A month later Mike got it right....he feared the family would be found in two adult shallow graves. They were three years later.

 

[Mica]

When did DK first call LE for them to do a wellness check on JM and his family when he wasn't able to contact Joey? Wasn't that around the 9th. of Feb.?

According to testimony, the 1oth.

 

[Karinna]

I think you missed my point. It is my opinion he should have immediately thought foul play, and not a 10 day vacay, especially since those items were left behind. How often did the family go on a 10 day vacay for it to be the norm? Tracy spoke to Summer that morning. No mention of a 10 day vacay. Fear of something terrible happening is one thing, but c’mon. Suspected foul play is the reason Dugal secured a warrant. A month later Mike got it right....he feared the family would be found in two adult shallow graves. They were three years later.

The family for all they knew at the time could also have been kidnapped and being held hostage somewhere. I'm sure all kinds of things crossed their mind, and as i said how close was this family to have to be concerned? And i guess SB got help from DK & Merritt to help keep Joey's business afloat until they knew more about their family's whereabouts initially. Were they always in touch with PM, SB or MM as to their movements all the time? But anyway DK called it in a few days after the 4th. around 6 days later actually. So not even a week later is when DK alerted LE to do a wellness check.

 

[travelbug]

So are you saying what MM said are words from a book? I thought it must of been from an interview or something? In that case if from a book i would take it with a large grain of salt.

I was responding to a, now removed, post by Frankie H. As is well known that statement was made by MM during a news interview in March 2010, when LE believed the family was voluntarily missing. If you want me to provide another copy, as Mica did earlier, I will be more than happy to - with mod approval.

 

[Tortoise]

I have yet to see any logical explanation for Chase Merritt being at the Mcstay home on the night they was murdered.

The cheque places him at the home and if he wasn’t involved then he should of witnessed what happened to the family.

I would venture that is because there is no reasonable explanation. Plenty of diversion in this thread on to others who the police excluded from their investigation, but no reasonable explanation for that key evidence.

The only logical explanation is he was in the house making himself a cheque and from that moment the entire family was never heard from again. McGee says as much in his question to detective Steers:

McGee: Isn’t it true that if you can’t find evidence that makes that murder happen in the house you can’t prove a case against my client?

There is plenty of evidence in those graves and in the house that they were murdered in the house.

Paint dried on Summer's bra consistent with her lying down dead and the murder weapon in contact with wet paint.
No towels or floor mats in the bathrooms.
Baby towel and towels galore in the graves.
Missing wedding dress box.
Closet in disarray - evidence of other clothing boxes emptied out
Lamp knocked over.
A strip of painters tape missing from floor abutting kitchen island.
No shoes or outdoor wear on any of the victims.
Popcorn untouched and an apple being eaten dropped on the floor.
Painters tape in grave.
A paint tray in use not cleaned up.
Bleach stain on the carpet.
Futon cushions stripped before 13th.
A portable UV light in the house.
Dogs left with an opened bag of food and blankets - this is someone planning for needing a few days.
Stroller left in the garage and prescription glasses left in the house.
A cheque to Merritt on Joey's home computer at 8 pm, recreated by Merritt the next day with no communication from Joey, and backdated to Joey's last day alive.
A non-Mcstay truck leaving the house just before 8 pm and braking.
By natural inference, a truck arriving before 7 pm and not identified by Mitchley looking for McStay vehicles.
A noise before the truck left that caused Mitchley to turn on her porch light and look outside.
Last cell phone pings for Joey in Fallbrook but phone missing.
A lamp left on in the office.

All MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

All those reasons you state are exactly the reason he should have immediately suspected foul play and reported the family missing. Would the family go on a 10 day vacay without the stroller, without Summer’s prescription glasses and with the dogs in the yard? I think not.

I really dont find that strange though Mica when it comes to family members. Immediately they want to convince themselves there is a logical reason their loved ones are missing.

From all the missing persons cases I've watched over the years on true crime channels it seems denial is an emotional coping mechanism for family, and friends who had love ones missing.

Fgs poor Sharon Rocha appeared everyday in the media for 3 weeks taking up for Scott Peterson, the man who had murdered her daughter, and grandson. Why? Because it was too painful to accept, and far less painful to be in protective denial instead.

And so may other families with missing love ones wanted desperately to believe they willingly left, and when they return it will all be okay.

In several of those cases they waited even longer than Joey's family did. holding out hope they would return, and everything would end well.

I don't blame any of these families who delayed reporting. I understand how they so wanted to believe their love ones would safely return, and explain to them then why they left. In those cases everything was left behind as well.

Imo, It's only human nature to cling to the best hopeful outcome at first. It gives the family hope they will return alive, and well.

Of course as more time passes it gets harder, and harder for them to convince themselves.

Imo the one who helped put this in their mind was the murderer himself.

Did CM call the family immediately the very first day when no one could make contact?

Who called the family first about being unable to contact Joey? Was it his best friend, CM? When did CM advise MM about Joey? Was it immediate or delayed?

Then CM told them he thought someone was coming by to feed, and put water out for their dogs did he not?

Imo, they were soaking up all the bits of information he was feeding them, purposefully, imo, that lead them to believe they were willing away, imo.

Even CM wasn't alarmed in the least when asked by MSM if he knew where Joey could be. Even though HE was the very one in daily contact numerous times a day, and nonchalantly told MSM he would check it out when he got around to it later at the end of the week. CM was the one at their home so much the neighbors thought he lived there. The family did not live in the area.

Its obvious CM was using a stalling delaying tactic...both with Joey's business contacts, and contacting the family, and feeding them a load of bull about the dogs.

Imoo

 

[Bernina]

Thanks Bernina, I had read about it a while ago, and the 9th. was what i remembered reading.

February 9th was the day DK posted on Joey's FB page, MM posted on the 13th, both asking if anyone had heard or seen from them. Both mentioned Joey hadn't been answering his phone or replying to emails after the 4th of February.

 

[smr]

Theft is usually a good reason for murder. Especially when you want the money that belongs to someone else. Happens in a lot of criminal cases actually.
And Merritt is a thief by his previous incarcerations and charges to that fact.

No, theft is not usually a good reason for murder, thank the Lord.
Dan Kavanaugh sold JM's company after the murder, so who wanted the money that belonged to someone else?

 

[Karinna]

No, theft is not usually a good reason for murder, thank the Lord.
Dan Kavanaugh sold JM's company after the murder, so who wanted the money that belonged to someone else?

BBM, Could you please provide a link that supports DK sold EIP?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think it would enlighten some if they took the time to do a simple search on Google about victims who have been murdered for financial greed/theft.

Unfortunately, it's one of the oldest, and a common motives since the beginning of time.

Killing others in order to steal from them is nothing new nor is murdering victims who discovered the theft even before they were killed.

In this case it's compounded since CM was stealing before, and after he murdered.

ID, and OWN sadly have many of these same type of cases including the murderers being gambling addicts.

Imo

 

[Bernina]

No, theft is not usually a good reason for murder, thank the Lord.
Dan Kavanaugh sold JM's company after the murder, so who wanted the money that belonged to someone else?

Who legally owned EIP at the time of the sale, was probate even initiated or was it ever, did the McStay family even care if the name was sold, was the company registered with the State, was the company even viable as a business at that point, and what EXACTLY did DK SELL? The name, the website, the customer contacts?
Did SB, MM, or PM claim the business or the name?
Obviously, it was done legally because DK had an attorney.
What are the 3 most prominent reasons for murder? Money, Sex, and Revenge. Murder for money involves taking funds not legally due the killer, ie theft.
The only person who gained financially before, during and after the murder was CM, through fraud and deceit.

 

[missy1974]

BBM, Could you please provide a link that supports DK sold EIP?

Day 43 Part 1 @ about 30 minutes. The lawyer who drew up the contract for the buyers testified.

 

[la2cabo]

BBM

Bold faced part: NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. One can call Chase Merritt a thief a zillion times, that doesn't make him a murderer.

JOSEPE-LAP, where are you? Who took you from Joey's house, and why?

Actually Merritt's own criminal record proves he's a thief.

One can say he's not a murderer a zillion times but that doesn't make it true.

 

[la2cabo]

I think it would enlighten some if they took the time to do a simple search on Google about victims who have been murdered for financial greed/theft.

Unfortunately, it's one of the oldest, and a common motives since the beginning of time.

Killing others in order to steal from them is nothing new nor is murdering victims who discovered the theft even before they were killed.

In this case it's compounded since CM was stealing before, and after he murdered.

ID, and OWN sadly have many of these same type of cases including the murderers being gambling addicts.

Imo

I've seen cases where people have been murdered for less than a hundred bucks. Smdh

 

[missy1974]

Who legally owned EIP at the time of the sale, was probate even initiated or was it ever, did the McStay family even care if the name was sold, was the company registered with the State, was the company even viable as a business at that point, and what EXACTLY did DK SELL? The name, the website, the customer contacts?
Did SB, MM, or PM claim the business or the name?
Obviously, it was done legally because DK had an attorney.
What are the 3 most prominent reasons for murder? Money, Sex, and Revenge. Murder for money involves taking funds not legally due the killer, ie theft.
The only person who gained financially before, during and after the murder was CM, through fraud and deceit.

I think Patrick cared.

Dan didn't have a lawyer actually, not according to the lawyer for the buyers that testified.

I would disagree that Chase was the only one that gained financially before/during/after the murders. I do think that the defense has shown that in the testimony. Joseph was paying him off for a year, on the 10th, Dan changed the password to the PayPal account and started transferring money to himself, and in July 2011, he sold the business for 20K plus liabilities plus he got 20% of net profits for a year after the sale I think. Does it mean he killed them? Nope, but I do think it's fair to say that Dan definitely profited after Feb 4th 2010 from the family missing IMO.

Here are some posts from @Bobcat1 that give some insight into what Patrick thought about this.

CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17