CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[Edmo]

I hope the prosecution have a ace up their sleeve about the lack of blood evidence.

My childhood bathroom had a slanted ceiling and the amount of times we would forget and bang our heads and even a slight knock on the sharp edges would cause bleeding. Which is why I have always they would bleed heavily.

When I was around 6-7 years old, my parents bought me a wooden, purple baseball bat. My neighbor friend was around 8-9 years old. He accidentally swung it, with all of his strength when I was standing behind him and the bat broke into 2 pieces from hitting my forehead. I had a huge "egg" size bump on my forehead as a result. However, there was NO cut/laceration or bleeding from the blow. So, I can understand her when she says that about having a cut/laceration vs a blow without one.

I also know a small cut/laceration anywhere on our skulls can bleed profusely as well. Even though the bat was wooden, it literally shattered into two pieces, right down the "fat" part of the bat, down to the handle. If that makes sense?

 

[Tortoise]

Jon was not a adult who had his head caved in so badly it broke into pieces.

Do you mean JonBenet? I was discussing Gianni's skull injuries, that's why the comparison.

 

[missy1974]

I could possibly buy the no blood theory if it didn't know that Summer had obvious injuries to her jaw and face, and Joey to his right side of his face near his cheek. There must have been close to or around 50 pieces of her skull on that table. No way she didn't bleed. JMO

 

[asyousay]

Do you mean JonBenet? I was discussing Gianni's skull injuries, that's why the comparison.

Ok but even if you argue that the boys may not of bleed then you have the two adults who would of according to the professional on the stand.

Not only would they of bled there would of been a significant amount of blood that would of pooled.

I am going to take the word of the professional on this as it’s her job to know this stuff.


ETA - changed a word

 

[missy1974]

Back and on to Summer's injuries.

 

[Tortoise]

This was JonBenet's skull injuries - not apparent to the examiner before the autopsy

 

[Edmo]

I missed it when she did Gianni, I will have to watch it on catch up, but I caught the end of her saying children's skulls are different to the adults.

She said children's skulls are more "elastic" vs adults.

 

[Edmo]

So then why has the prosecution not mentioned finding blood? They obviously knew what the defense was going to do at this stage so the fact they are not saying they have found a ton of blood looks bad.

The prosecution was trying to steer her into saying there wouldn’t of been much blood or any at all would indicate they didn’t find much.

IMO

Because the Coroner can ONLY testify to what she knows. The Coroner vs an Inv at a crime scene are two different enchiladas. If the Coroner is testifying that some of the injuries did NOT bleed, that means there won't be a huge amount of blood spatter. The State will have to prove this as well.

 

[missy1974]

ME is saying there would be some blood coming out of her mouth, she would say it would be more than a slight dribble of blood.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There might be a lot of bleeding but not necessarily spatter unless the same area is struck more than once. I can see a good clean up being possible if the killings took place on a tiled floor like the bathroom or kitchen. After the first blow the person's on the ground imo. Then they are put into a container to move them so no drip trail in the house or vehicle.

speculation.

I've seen other MEs testify the amount of head hair a victim has can depend on if there is bleeding. The more head hair the less chance of outward bleeding.

These fractures went inward so imo there would be massive blood loss within the brain and not outward imo.

Just like you described in slaughter houses who use sledgehammers.

 

[missy1974]

Again, the ME saying, with the amount of pieces Summer's skull was in, she would expect to see lacerations on the skull.

 

[Edmo]

Ok but even if you argue that the boys may not of bleed then you have the two adults who would of according to the professional on the stand.

Not only would they of bled there would of been a ton of blood that would of pooled.

I am going to take the word of the professional on this as it’s her job to know this stuff.

They didn't say what "size" of pool would have been made either. Just that there is enough to make more than drops, IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

Reminder of the weapon - click to enlarge.

 

[Edmo]

Again, the ME saying, with the amount of pieces Summer's skull was in, she would expect to see lacerations on the skull.

It appears CM went "overboard" with the blows to Summer as well. I'm wondering if we will find out if CM had hatred for her later on?

 

[missy1974]

She would expect a laceration in 1 spot on little Gianni. Less blood than in an adult body.

 

[Tortoise]

If they were lying in pools of blood I would expect the hair to be matted with blood.

 

[asyousay]

They didn't say what "size" of pool would have been made either. Just that there is enough to make more than drops, IMO.

She said ‘significant’ I had to go back and check her terminology.

 

[KALI]

I don't und3rstand why so many blows? I pray to God that Joey and Summer did not witness the murder of their children.

Well Gianni had a minimum of 6 blows to the head and looking at the skull it looked like it was contained to the same area. So that would surely cause splatter?

 

[missy1974]

If they were lying in pools of blood I would expect the hair to be matted with blood.

I wonder about that as well Tortoise, neither side has brought that up yet.

 

[asyousay]

I don't und3rstand why so many blows? I pray to God that Joey and Summer did not witness the murder of their children.

Because he hated them, I think it could be as simple as that.

Dealing with Summer and her out of control children ( he didn’t agree with her free range parenting) for years must of made his blood boil while he had to play nice to Joey.


ETA - the complete over kill shows how much rage he had built up.