CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #5

[A lucas]

With the new info we've received regarding Chase calling CJ before lunch, my thoughts are going in a whole different direction.

Oooooh tell us Force. Where is your head at? I’m intrigued.

 

[mrjitty]

@Tortoise

I think your theory needs to address following points

1. The 4.18 call connected so someone answered that call with chases phone. Who?

2. The change in fallbrook tower does not mean Joey is home. Merely closer to home. We'd need to know the exact tower locations to figure this out.

E.g. we have a place in the country close to two towers which are spread out down the autobahn like many cell towers. Which one you connect to depends on many factors like load, atmospherics and exactly where I am standing.

So I can change to the tower which is 200m closer to my house as i actually drive away from my house! I could even be on the other side of the towers if I was running local errands.

3. The non logged call does not mean the phone is off. It could have been in a low coverage area. I do loads of cell calls and frequently have this issue especially if the target is driving or in a train. Sometimes my cellphone does not ring here at home when someone is trying to call me. For whatever reason the tower does not locate the phone.

For these reasons I suspect the voicemails were checked while still on the road.

 

[Tortoise]

1. The 4.18 call connected so someone answered that call with chases phone. Who?

How do you know it wasn't a voicemail message left on Chase' phone?

 

[Deleted member 192280]

However I think the guy sitting on the bench next to me is the video guy. I ‘ll ask him

While you are at it, is the camera only allowed to cover the parties involved in the current testimony, and not allowed to show other people in the audience?

 

[mrjitty]

The only problem with that scenario is while Joesph is calling Merritt at 5:47 his phone was pinging in Ranch Cucamonga.

To your other point about the two different tower pings in Fallbrook, he actually could have been standing still or even at home. If a tower has a lot of traffic it will reroute a call or text to another local tower. Their home is right off a major freeway with a ton of traffic for that time of day. I've actually had my home IP address register to a tower in a neighboring city as well as my own town. I also live off the same freeway about the same distance.

I get this with my 4G when the closer tower has a fault. I know straight away when I have been bumped to the weaker tower

I even have to move my antenna to the other side of the house

Another common one, not in play in this case, is very damp weather. My area is quite forested and in damp weather the trees kill the signal.

There really are so many factors!

 

[mrjitty]

How do you know it wasn't a voicemail message left on Chase' phone?

IIRC this was in the opening?

I remember reading that the call was answered but then chase hung up

 

[mrjitty]

With the new info we've received regarding Chase calling CJ before lunch, my thoughts are going in a whole different direction.

What is the new info?

I am catching up!

 

[Funky funky]

That’s so weird as I just call my voicemail up and I have access to them. Coz my voicemail is specific to my phone number so nobody else would want access so a pin seems redundant and too much hassle.

When setting up voicemail some users usually have the option to set a pin. The pin was implemented so voicemail could be accessed remotely from another line if need be.

 

[fridaybaker]

How did he know he was the last person?

BINGO.

 

[Force Ten]

IIRC this was in the opening?

I remember reading that the call was answered but then chase hung up

In Pros OS, between 12:52 and 1:01, the times Chase talked to Joseph, he called or tried to call CJ 13 times.

 

[fridaybaker]

With the new info we've received regarding Chase calling CJ before lunch, my thoughts are going in a whole different direction.

I don't mean to be dense, but could you enlighten? (I hate to even ask thinking it's probably totally obvious!)

 

[KALI]

Would you try to g8ve us your take on the jurors?

I hope it's interesting today!

 

[mrjitty]

Yes that's what I was theorizing but Merritt called Cathy at c9.30 pm from Mira Loma, which means if he left his phone anywhere that afternoon it was near Mira Loma or further south, coming from Fallbrook.

I know why you like your theory - as it solves a lot of the actual mechanical murder issues

But isn't it just a far less tense interpretation of the phone evidence that each man had his own phone and Joey simply drove home?

otherwise you need such elaborate staging and 2 people right from the get go....

just my highly overvalued opinion

 

[asyousay]

I know why you like your theory - as it solves a lot of the actual mechanical murder issues

But isn't it just a far less tense interpretation of the phone evidence that each man had his own phone and Joey simply drove home?

otherwise you need such elaborate staging and 2 people right from the get go....

just my highly overvalued opinion

“If” Joey and Chase had Lunch together why was Joey constantly active online?

Why does Joey call Chase straight before lunch and straight away after lunch even though they just spent 2 hours together?

Joey has literally just found out the man he had worked with for years and had helped out financially and treated like family had repaid his kindness by stealing off him and you think they sat down to lunch and calmly talked about it even though we know from Chase frantically calling his girlfriend he was anything but calm?

I don’t think Chase had the balls to go to lunch personally and confront Joey head on.

ETA - Chase is a snake and everything he does is sneaky. He is NOT confrontational as that involves being ballsy.

 

[Force Ten]

I don't mean to be dense, but could you enlighten? (I hate to even ask thinking it's probably totally obvious!)

See my post above.

 

[citygirl]

I have said previously when the jury hears CMs interview the hair on the back of their neck will stand up.

The only way for CM to know he was the last person to see Joey alive is because he was right there when Joey took his last breath of life.

It was that interview iirc that convinced me back then if a suspect was ever arrested for murdering the McStay family it would be CM..

Imo

I had the same reaction. Just went back to listen to some of it again. It didn't sit well with me how he talked about Summer.
And, this is not on topic, but it is uncanny to me that the neighbor's security camera went on the fritz for so many crucial days. How lucky was that?

 

[Plumeria5]

As confusing as all of this phone info is for me who has been following for awhile, I am trying to imagine how hard it is for the jury deciphering it all.

 

[A lucas]

I know why you like your theory - as it solves a lot of the actual mechanical murder issues

But isn't it just a far less tense interpretation of the phone evidence that each man had his own phone and Joey simply drove home?

otherwise you need such elaborate staging and 2 people right from the get go....

just my highly overvalued opinion

Occam’s razor I believe was referenced loads as a principle in the early days to try keep us on the straight and narrow. The theory is that the simpler and more straightforward the thinking/solution, the more likely it is to be correct?? Dunno.

 

[Deleted member 192280]

How did he know he was the last person?

Or maybe he didn't know? Just as when someone says "I know he is guilty/innocent" or "He is definitely guilty/innocent" that doesn't mean they actually know he is guilty/innocent, and doesn't mean he is actually guilty/innocent.

 

[Tortoise]

IIRC this was in the opening?

I remember reading that the call was answered but then chase hung up

No the OS didn't mention the 4.18 call - (unless you mean the defense OS which I haven't got) - this is the pros OS:


Between 3.03 pm and 3.07 pm, if there was a meeting it would be after the meeting, Joseph calls the defendant seven times during that time period. The longest call – lasting two minutes and 37 seconds – was at 5.48 pm that night. Joseph’s phone is again travelling southbound back home, that 5.48 phone call he’s in the Fallbrook area when he makes that phone call – 5.48 pm. After that 5.48 pm contact with the defendant the defendant’s cell phone goes off the grid. And that is to say it’s either turned off, it’s in airplane mode or it’s somewhere where it’s not connecting with any towers.

From 5.48 pm on February 4th to 9.32 pm his cell phone is not connecting any towers. And there are during that time period 1-2-3-4-5 calls between 6.09 and 9.04 from Catherine Jarvis, his wife at the time, to the defendant and Voicemail messages are left. Now the way we know that just looking at the records you’ll also know a lot about cell phones at the end of this trial, is, this gives the geographic location as well as other information for the cell towers that his phone was connecting with. During that time period, during those calls that he was getting from his wife, Catherine Jarvis, he’s not connecting with any tower. It’s actually more than three and a half hour period, all incoming calls appear to be forwarded to Voicemail.

At 8.28 pm Joseph’s cell phone record shows a call to the defendant, again during that time period when the defendant’s cell phone is off. The defendant’s cell phone does not register a call during that time period. Could be explained by quickly trying to call someone and hanging up before the connection is made from the closest tower to you to the closest tower to them, before that connection is made you’re calling then hanging up.

At 9.32 pm he calls Catherine Jarvis and his cell phone connects with a cell tower in Mira Loma which is south of Rancho Cucamonga north of Corona. After that 9.32 pm contact his phone is off the grid until 7.30 the next morning, February 5th.