CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #5

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

Some of you are starting to bicker. Remember we do not allow personalized posting. Here is an example of what I am talking about..."I don't know why you can't see what I see". Even though it is not written in a mean way it is still against TOS. If all you want to post is something personal to someone please don't. If there is a post that you feel is a violation of TOS please do not respond. Hit the report button and one of the mods will look at what's going on.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[QueenBofOB]

I have a question. When MM went into the house, thru the back window, does anyone know if CM also entered thru that window or did MM let him in, thru the front door?

 

[MsFacetious]

Note that I said "so far".

It is an absurd excuse by some of comments here that just because "CM is the only one on trial" you refuse to consider the other people with the motive who may have committed or were involved in the murder. If you are to convict someone for murder, unless you have irrefutable proof, you need not only to prove he has the motive and possibly or even probably did it, but also to eliminate the possibility that someone else did it.

I absolutely agree with you.
Unfortunately, the LAW does not. The prosecution does not have to exclude other suspects. They are required to turn over exculpatory evidence, (Brady) but they don't have to clear all the other suspects.

Ideally, this would happen during a very thorough investigation. Law enforcement should definitely be ensuring that their suspect is the right one. I think we can all agree that the initial investigation was sorely lacking. Additionally, with the 4 year delay until the bodies were found here a very thorough investigation wasn't possible. For example the phone records and surveillance footage would have been much more helpful and complete 4 years earlier.

I do wish that the burden of proof was maybe a little bit higher in cases without solid proof. The defense often cannot present other suspects. In fact in he said/she said cases even if a much more likely suspect exists it often can't be presented to the jury. It can be very frustrating when you believe a victim is lying to protect someone else and you can't present the someone else to the jury.

I have wondered how he could accomplish burying the family on his own. I'm pretty sure it's stated that there was DNA in one of the graves that didn't match the family or the defendant. I'm anxious to hear more about that even though they need not prove he had help.

I agree. I think that DNA needs explaining.

Would HE know that, though?

I believe he would have known that yes. I think the fact that he continued committing crimes after the murders also indicates that. I don't think he feared another criminal charge. He had a warrant when the family disappeared, I don't think he would have allowed that to occur if he was worried about another charge.

Well, *I* highly doubt that a "hit man," is responsible. For one, they wouldn't go thru all the trouble of burying the bodies or killing the babies, as the kids wouldn't be able to identify him/her. And I personally think, that a hit man wouldn't use a sledge hammer. More than likely a gun with a silencer.

This is also true. Generally a hit man will leave the bodies where they fall. They have no need to get a head start before they are discovered. I also agree the kids couldn't have identified a stranger so killing them wouldn't be needed. The fact that someone moved 4 bodies and buried them in the desert definitely indicates they were known to the victims.

I have a question. When MM went into the house, thru the back window, does anyone know if CM also entered thru that window or did MM let him in, thru the front door?

I recall CM refusing to go in because he had a warrant? I believe MM said he let him in through the door. I know there was a lot of confusion around the subject. Like most everything else.

 

[Mica]

Well, *I* highly doubt that a "hit man," is responsible. For one, they wouldn't go thru all the trouble of burying the bodies or killing the babies, as the kids wouldn't be able to identify him/her. And I personally think, that a hit man wouldn't use a sledge hammer. More than likely a gun with a silencer.

Your comment made me think of an old article I had saved. Not about hitmen but about cartel. To me they are similar. They kill innocents.

I was one who initially believed a cartel of some type was involved in the disappearance. At some point I was researching different cartel groups in CA and came across this article below.

After Chase was arrested I assumed the DA had the right guy. They usually do. But to this day I have a hard time believing he did all they said he did by himself in the timeframe. Waiting for all the evidence to unfold.

Thanks to all who update here since I no longer have the time to follow the trial as many here do. I appreciate the updates.

Snip

April 24, 2011

SAN FERNANDO, Mexico — At the largest mass grave site ever found in Mexico, where 177 bodies have been pulled from deep pits, authorities say they have recovered few bullet casings and little evidence that the dead were killed with a gun.

Instead, most died of blunt force trauma to the head, and a sledgehammer found at the crime scene this month is believed to have been used in the executions, according to Mexican investigators and state officials. The search continued Sunday, with state officials warning they expect the count to rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...23/AFPoasbE_story.html?utm_term=.abcd1b9e17e8

 

[A lucas]

I have a question. When MM went into the house, thru the back window, does anyone know if CM also entered thru that window or did MM let him in, thru the front door?

From what I understand is that CM
pointed out the open window to MM but refused to go in himself??!!! Gosh if that was my missing best friend I’d be in there like a shot trying to find some answers to the disappearance. What could be his possible motive for not going in?

 

[Mica]

From what I understand is that CM
pointed out the open window to MM but refused to go in himself??!!! Gosh if that was my missing best friend I’d be in there like a shot trying to find some answers to the disappearance. What could be his possible motive for not going in?

I don’t know. CM was know to have spent time in the home. His dna and fingerprints would be expected to be found there.

 

[Mica]

I thought Court was cancelled until Wednesday this week.

Two more subpoena’s were received under seal. Jury Trial continues tomorrow, February 11 at 9:30 AM.

 

[citygirl]

I don’t know. CM was know to have spent time in the home. His dna and fingerprints would be expected to be found there.

I found that puzzling, too. Supposedly didn't want to go in but then did go in? It's creepy to think , if true, that Chase had been in the house after they disappeared and was now giving guidance to MM on point of entry. Unsure of this but , I think when we listened to his interview with the police , he made a point to say he never went upstairs? That piqued my interest.

 

[Longtimenoc]

That is puzzling like so many things in this case. The clothes strewn everywhere. The bizarre wedding dress hanging in the midst of the mess.

Trying not to change the subject but the thing that bothers me the most is the little backpack with spoon and some tools found in the grave. Why did it wind up there with the bodies? Im pretty convinced that the murders occured during bath time so how did it wind up there?

 

[Force Ten]

That is puzzling like so many things in this case. The clothes strewn everywhere. The bizarre wedding dress hanging in the midst of the mess.

Trying not to change the subject but the thing that bothers me the most is the little backpack with spoon and some tools found in the grave. Why did it wind up there with the bodies? Im pretty convinced that the murders occured during bath time so how did it wind up there?

The back pack could have been brought along and buried because there was blood on it. Or because Gianni, like a lot of kids do with random things, was fixated on wearing it all the time.

I can't put too much thought into the wedding dress. It was hung up in the plastic covering as it should have been. The fact that it wasn't like the rest of the clothing is because she wouldn't want it ruined.

Right now I too have a large pile of clothes in my closet with. A few things hung up I almost never wear. Mrs Ten does as well.

 

[citygirl]

That is puzzling like so many things in this case. The clothes strewn everywhere. The bizarre wedding dress hanging in the midst of the mess.

Trying not to change the subject but the thing that bothers me the most is the little backpack with spoon and some tools found in the grave. Why did it wind up there with the bodies? Im pretty convinced that the murders occured during bath time so how did it wind up there?

 

[QueenBofOB]

That is puzzling like so many things in this case. The clothes strewn everywhere. The bizarre wedding dress hanging in the midst of the mess.

Trying not to change the subject but the thing that bothers me the most is the little backpack with spoon and some tools found in the grave. Why did it wind up there with the bodies? Im pretty convinced that the murders occured during bath time so how did it wind up there?

I wonder if the clothes were in plastic storage containers, that he used to move the bodies, so as not to leave any blood in the back of his truck. As for the backpack, maybe the little boy was wearing it, when he was attacked?

 

[citygirl]

One poster speculated that the clothes had been sorted and stored in plastic containers. And those containers were used to transport the bodies.. That had never occurred to me.
Th children's things in the graves is so disturbing. Especially, the baby's towel. They refer to it as a robe?
Am really confused by the backpack.

 

[citygirl]

Have no clue what happened here. LOL.

 

[QueenBofOB]

Your comment made me think of an old article I had saved. Not about hitmen but about cartel. To me they are similar. They kill innocents.

I was one who initially believed a cartel of some type was involved in the disappearance. At some point I was researching different cartel groups in CA and came across this article below.

After Chase was arrested I assumed the DA had the right guy. They usually do. But to this day I have a hard time believing he did all they said he did by himself in the timeframe. Waiting for all the evidence to unfold.

Thanks to all who update here since I no longer have the time to follow the trial as many here do. I appreciate the updates.

Snip

April 24, 2011

SAN FERNANDO, Mexico — At the largest mass grave site ever found in Mexico, where 177 bodies have been pulled from deep pits, authorities say they have recovered few bullet casings and little evidence that the dead were killed with a gun.

Instead, most died of blunt force trauma to the head, and a sledgehammer found at the crime scene this month is believed to have been used in the executions, according to Mexican investigators and state officials. The search continued Sunday, with state officials warning they expect the count to rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...23/AFPoasbE_story.html?utm_term=.abcd1b9e17e8

Yes, I agree that the drug cartels in Mexico, kill MANY people. In a very brutal way, too. But, I cannot remember EVER reading about anyone, being murdered in the U.S. or specifically CA, by a Mexican drug cartel.

 

[Force Ten]

Yes, I agree that the drug cartels in Mexico, kill MANY people. In a very brutal way, too. But, I cannot remember EVER reading about anyone, being murdered in the U.S. or specifically CA, by a Mexican drug cartel.

Suspect arrested in Falcon Lake killing, Mexican authorities say - CNN

 

[ThorJanus]

You lost me at Rick Baker haha I've tried to stay away from anything that is related to him... only because I know it caused a lot of kerfuffle ;-)

Why?

 

[citygirl]

I just read about this on a separate website: CM said he didn't want to enter the house "due to his record." The website also stated "he refused to go upstairs" and stayed downstairs while MM searched for them.

One other tidbit I read as well: CM once got into a fight with his brother Bennet and ended up beating him with steel pipe.

Whether those are true or not, I don't know.

Yikes! Never heard about the dust up with his brother.

 

[Funky funky]

Why?

How much time do you have ? Lol

 

[missy1974]

I thought Court was cancelled until Wednesday this week.

Two more subpoena’s were received under seal. Jury Trial continues tomorrow, February 11 at 9:30 AM.

There was something mentioned at the end of testimony on Thursday about that and handed over to the defense from JP Morgan Chase bank and something else, I couldn't understand what the judge was saying. It's at the very end of testimony though. Maybe someone else can pick up where the other was from.