CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[mrjitty]

Nobody knows where those checks were generated from, only that they were not written and printed from a computer found in the McStay home.

We do know they were generated on a computer controlled by Chase as he was in possession of the cheques created

 

[JMarsh]

We do know they were generated on a computer controlled by Chase as he was in possession of the cheques created

As of prelim, LE doesn't know or hasn't said. Quickbooks did not retain IP addresses at that time, so there is no way (I believe) of identifying the user by way an IP address.

You would have to be in possession of the computer that was used to write the checks, and it doesn't seem as if LE ever got hold of that computer.

 

[katydid23]

Nobody knows where those checks were generated from, only that they were not written and printed from a computer found in the McStay home.

But we do know where those checks ended up, and who cashed them and who spent many of them.

 

[Kittybunny]

The investigation into these murders goes back years. Yes, LE was WAY behind the curve, what with the they went to Mexico theory, but there have been years of investigation into the various alternative theories of SODDI in this case. We are at trial now. The process, IMHO, is to prove BARD that CM is responsible for this crime, not that no other possibility exists. They already did that - that's why they arrested CM. Although LE made many mistakes early on, I do think SBSD did the best that they could. The process of investigation followed by most reasonably competent LE departments is to follow the evidence to a perpetrator, not the other way around. Through months and years of investigation, I believe they started with a huge funnel of possibilities and collected evidence that showed that Chase was likely their man. Did they eliminate other possibilities? I'd like to think so, and that they narrowed down a list of suspects and possibilities through investigation and elimination (i.e., was DK in Hawaii, no drug cartel would have had motive to kill this family, etc.). I think there is a lot of evidence, circumstantial and perhaps otherwise that we haven't heard yet that proves to me that CM is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The picture that the prosecutor is painting, and in fact, is almost always painted unless there is a direct witness (hardly ever happens IRL), is like a Monet. If I stand back far enough, I get a very clear picture of what it is and who is responsible. All the dots combine together to paint that picture. If I stand with my nose to the painting and try to examine one dot individually - it's just a blob of color, without context, almost meaningless in and of itself. I'll never figure it out or come to any conclusions if I get lost in the minutiae of each individual dot, and neither should the jury. At the end of the day, the juries' job is to step back and look at that picture, and say "Has the prosecution put enough blobs and dots on this canvas that when I step back, I can conclude that this is indeed, a painting of Chase Merritt?" And don't forget that they can apply the brushstrokes of common sense and logic.

I get the need to dissect the dots though... or to try to build a perfect picture from the pixels. We just want to understand and know why they did this and how exactly to the nth degree...but sadly, I don't think we ever will. I said this before and here I am, but I just don't have the patience for this slow-moving tediousness of a trial or going back to Square Zero when in my opinion, the Portrait of Charles Merritt as a Murderer is clear as day.

 

[missy1974]

By jove, I've got it! (Sorry, I just wrote that the popcorn was incidental, but this next seems like it might be kind of relevant. Maybe not)

There is a picture of Gianni and Joseph Jr. eating popcorn on that futon. They are in their jammies, and there is natural light coming through the window. That picture had to be taken in the winter, so it's unlikely that it was taken at night, because it was dark by 5ish in December. And the pic looks to be taken around Christmas time.

They could be in their jammies in the middle of the day, but my guess is that the picture was taken in the morning.

Can't say for certain. But I'd place money on that being a morning shot. So YES no matter what other people feed their kids, Joey and Summer were not above feeding their brood popcorn in the morning. Ha! and double Ha!

Where can we find the pic? I think I know which one you are talking about, but never noticed the popcorn before

 

[katydid23]

As of prelim, LE doesn't know or hasn't said. Quickbooks did not retain IP addresses at that time, so there is no way (I believe) of identifying the user by way an IP address.

You would have to be in possession of the computer that was used to write the checks, and it doesn't seem as if LE ever got hold of that computer.

Does it matter? We know that 2 of those checks were in Chases's possession, as he handed them over to the metal shop. And we know the others were cashed by him, deposited in his own bank accounts.

Those checks ended up in Chase's greedy mitts. So does it matter if they know which device created or printed the checks? It could have happened at Staples. Or at a family member's home.

What matters most, is who cashed them, imo. JMO

 

[JMarsh]

Where can we find the pic? I think I know which one you are talking about, but never noticed the popcorn before

I googled mcstay + popcorn and clicked on images. It's there. It's a pic I've seen before, but I was never trying to tell what time of day it was taken. You can absolutely tell that it was taken under natural light from the window. Whether those kids were in their jammies all day that day, who knows?

But there is also a pic of Gianni in those jammies at the sliding door to the yard. It really looks like a morning shot. And what it shows is that when the kids were in doors in the morning or day, in jammies, the dog were outside. And that they did eat popcorn under those conditions.

Not really definitive proof of anything, but, it does seem that these shots might have been where the defense developed their theory from.

 

[missy1974]

Can someone post when we are live please on my phone at work and going to see if I can hear it today while working lol praying for the volume gods to be with us today lol

 

[Alisajo]

Does it matter? We know that 2 of those checks were in Chases's possession, as he handed them over to the metal shop. And we know the others were cashed by him, deposited in his own bank accounts.

Those checks ended up in Chase's greedy mitts. So does it matter if they know which device created or printed the checks? It could have happened at Staples. Or at a family member's home.

What matters most, is who cashed them, imo. JMO

Where did Chase say he got the Check's?

 

[JMarsh]

Where did Chase say he got the Check's?

From Joey.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The investigation into these murders goes back years. Yes, LE was WAY behind the curve, what with the they went to Mexico theory, but there have been years of investigation into the various alternative theories of SODDI in this case. We are at trial now. The process, IMHO, is to prove BARD that CM is responsible for this crime, not that no other possibility exists. They already did that - that's why they arrested CM. Although LE made many mistakes early on, I do think SBSD did the best that they could. The process of investigation followed by most reasonably competent LE departments is to follow the evidence to a perpetrator, not the other way around. Through months and years of investigation, I believe they started with a huge funnel of possibilities and collected evidence that showed that Chase was likely their man. Did they eliminate other possibilities? I'd like to think so, and that they narrowed down a list of suspects and possibilities through investigation and elimination (i.e., was DK in Hawaii, no drug cartel would have had motive to kill this family, etc.). I think there is a lot of evidence, circumstantial and perhaps otherwise that we haven't heard yet that proves to me that CM is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The picture that the prosecutor is painting, and in fact, is almost always painted unless there is a direct witness (hardly ever happens IRL), is like a Monet. If I stand back far enough, I get a very clear picture of what it is and who is responsible. All the dots combine together to paint that picture. If I stand with my nose to the painting and try to examine one dot individually - it's just a blob of color, without context, almost meaningless in and of itself. I'll never figure it out or come to any conclusions if I get lost in the minutiae of each individual dot, and neither should the jury. At the end of the day, the juries' job is to step back and look at that picture, and say "Has the prosecution put enough blobs and dots on this canvas that when I step back, I can conclude that this is indeed, a painting of Chase Merritt?" And don't forget that they can apply the brushstrokes of common sense and logic.

I get the need to dissect the dots though... or to try to build a perfect picture from the pixels. We just want to understand and know why they did this and how exactly to the nth degree...but sadly, I don't think we ever will. I said this before and here I am, but I just don't have the patience for this slow-moving tediousness of a trial or going back to Square Zero when in my opinion, the Portrait of Charles Merritt as a Murderer is clear as day.

Wow! What an excellent summation.

Your post had my full attention as I read every single word.

Thank you.

 

[katydid23]

From Joey.

From Joey? I thought he said Joey told him to go ahead and create them himself?

 

[Tortoise]

For missy! I felt compelled to get my paintbox out - please excuse the rubbishness of it.

1. shows side cam view
2. shows porch view
3. shows on map McStay house yellow star, Mitchley house red star and yellow cam views, (added bonus entrance to vacant plot yellow arrow!)
4. shows blue line Joey arriving home, driving towards house
5. shows a turn in the cul de sac and parking on street
6. shows alternative maneuver - drive past - reverse into driveway - drive out to park on street
7. shows truck leaving driveway

click to enlarge



IMO.

 

[Alisajo]

From Joey.

Chase said he last saw Joey on the 4th Feb, the checks were printed on the 5th Feb, how did Chase get the checks from Joey? Or do I have something wrong?

 

[katydid23]

Can someone post when we are live please on my phone at work and going to see if I can hear it today while working lol praying for the volume gods to be with us today lol

LIVE NOW: #McStay family murder trial. Det Jason Schroeder continues his testimony from last Thursday, under cross examination. He analyzed 2 McStay computers, Merritt's iPhone and a computer from Merritt

 

[JMarsh]

Chase said he last saw Joey on the 4th Feb, the checks were printed on the 5th Feb, how did Chase get the checks from Joey? Or do I have something wrong?

Chase said that Joey gave him signed blank checks on the 4th, but they weren't all signed. He had to sign a few himself.

On a side note, there is a snapshot of four checks that are absolutely signed by Joey that are presented during the Carmen Garcia testimony. Joey's signature varies on those as well. I think Joey's signature varied. And LE doesn't appear to have ever brought in a handwriting specialist, so everyone is guessing on the signature, I think.

 

[Niner]

anyone wants some...

 

[JMarsh]

anyone wants some...

hahahahahahaha!!!!

Yes, please.

 

[JMarsh]

I'm not coming back to this forum without popcorn in a bowl, not stale, hot. This forum makes me too hungry.

 

[asyousay]

So are we taking bets on how early they finish today?