CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[Mica]

No way popcorn for breakfast. Think about it

Maybe the popcorn bowls were left on the futon from the night before?

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Didn't the brother, father, and pretty much everyone else associated with this ordeal do the exact same thing??

No one else that I know of got into Joey's QuickBook account and wrote themselves checks.

 

[JMarsh]

No one else that I know of got into Joey's QuickBook account and wrote themselves checks.

No. And no one is claiming this.

 

[Edmo]

What evidence is there that this occurred this way? Where is the neighbor who saw someone entering and leaving the home? Where is the evidence of someone staging any of this. For all we know Joseph drove the Trooper to the border and the family was abducted from someplace in that shopping mall.

There would be video tape of that.

 

[citygirl]

We don't know what the family's habits were. And I've taken care of a lot of toddlers, with odder treats than that for breakfast.

Really? Do you have your own toddlers? I did. And had many friends that did. Dried honey nut cheerios were the go to early in the morning.

 

[citygirl]

Or the killers discarded the shoes elsewhere. Not found in the graves were the Google phones both Summer and Joey had, or their id or credit cards. No one took inventory when they went missing. The family could have packed a suitcase full of clothes for all we know, and been wearing heavy sweaters and scarves, plus hiking boots. No one looked to see what was missing, so we don't know what they left the home with.

Why would they discard the shoes?

 

[JMarsh]

Really? Do you have your own toddlers? I did. And had many friends that did. Dried honey nut cheerios were the go to early in the morning.

So everyone eats what you eat? I don't see how what you have for breakfast plays into this at all.

 

[JMarsh]

Why would they discard the shoes?

I don't know. I don't know why this family was killed. I don't know who killed them. Lots of unknowns. All I can say with some certainty is this could have been the case.

Just because items were not found in the graves, does not mean that those items didn't leave the home with the McStays.

 

[Mica]

Didn't Mr Miller the Equisearch guy wonder where all the shoes were?

Yes, he wondered where the shoes were. He wondered where they slept. He also said there were no clues ...nothing.

 

[JMarsh]

Yes, he wondered where the shoes and clothes were. He wondered where they slept. He also said there was no evidence of a crime...nothing.

Yes but he was there in March. Well after the immediate family had taken certain items from the home.

 

[Edmo]

Yes but he was there in March. Well after the immediate family had taken certain items from the home.

And the family's post clean up. SDSO dropped the ball on this one, IMO.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Nope. Not if there isn't an IP address, which Quickbooks doesn't keep. And we don't know that the time and date on the McStay computers is accurate.

Don't you find it a bit odd that the state has never said what computer Chase used when he wrote those checks?

Lets see what happens with that. Kathy J's mom, a Ms Hamm sent a laptop to the cops that had been in the family trailer during the time of the murder. A couple other Jarvis devices were confiscated too.

 

[katydid23]

Because the purpose of the Custom account is to track projects not checks paid. I thought you were familiar with QBs.

I am familiar with QB. Which is why I find this explanation for deleting checks quite strange.

The custom account was created, not to track projects, but according to the earlier court testimony, 'to track monies owed to Chase Merritt. '

If that account was to track monies owed, then if a check was made out to Chase, for 4500 bucks, one would not delete that information. That was necessary info.

usually Joey wrote checks to Chase from the Contacts account. And that is how he kept track of money paid out to Chase.

But now, Chase is telling us that joey suddenly, the week he went missing, asked him to start writing checks to himself, from that custom account, and to backdate and delete them.

those checks would have no notation in the contact account since they were not written on that account anymore.

So someone would have to make sure they were kept track of. Deleting them makes it harder to do so, correct?

 

[citygirl]

So everyone eats what you eat? I don't see how what you have for breakfast plays into this at all.

I don't eat it. My children did. So everyone eats what you have opined? Popcorn for breakfast? Based on your experience with many toddlers? Okay then.

 

[JMarsh]

And the family's post clean up. SDSO dropped the ball on this one, IMO.

That is a shame. I understand why they cleaned, but it would have been helpful to LE to view and take pictures exactly as it was when the family left. Those few pictures that exist feel very telling.

 

[QueenBofOB]

With regard, to not having a whole assortment of shoes, I personally think, that most of their clothing, furniture and household items, were in the storage pods. Weren't they remodeling the house, planning on selling it and moving elsewhere? Why move all your stuff in?
As far as the popcorn and eggs on the counter, weren't some of the eggs broken, so that they would start rotting? That would create odor. Same with popping popcorn and smelly diapers laying around--more odors. *I* happen to think, that this was done to confuse any cadaver dogs.
MOO

 

[JMarsh]

Maybe the popcorn bowls were left on the futon from the night before?

That's an interesting theory. It is possible that the family was overwhelmed and maybe wasn't tidying up as regularly as they might normally do.

 

[citygirl]

I agree.

Imo what has been entered to date does support the state's theory that they were all murdered in their home.

The gravesites yielded quite of a lot of evidence supporting they were all murdered inside of their home so I can definitely understand why the state is of this belief.

It's all based on the supporting evidence. I think most of the jurors will agree once they are allowed to look at all of the evidence in its totality.

Imo, no other location lines up with anything else based on all of the evidence thus far..

Unforunately, sometimes ALL of the luck seems to be on the side of the murderer. In this case it was bungled from the start by the prior police who believed this was only a missing persons case, and not that all of them had been killed in cold blood in that home.

This isn't the only case where blood evidence wasn't found or where no physical evidence was left behind by the killer. It has happened before, even though LE was sure it had happened inside of the home.

The sad reality is if the biker hadn't gone into the area when he did, this would more than likely would have remained a case where LE assumed all of them left willingly.

At least that was finally discounted, and the truth came forward instead at long last.

Being a very spiritual person myself with deep faith, I believe it was divine intervention that lead the biker to the right area that day.

I knew once they were finally discovered, one day they would also discover who had done this to them. It was just a matter of time.

No one lost more than Joey, Summer,and their precious little boys, along with Joey's oldest son who was robbed of a very loving father. I often think of Jonah, and it makes me so sad.

CM not only took their lives from them, he destroyed all the wonderful things that were happening in their lives at the same time.

A once in a lifetime opportunity had come true where Joey knew he would be able to fully support all of them, and be able to send his three sons to a very good college when they became of age.

It really is such a heartbreaking tragedy in so many ways.

To be on the top of the world one minute, and then all of them discarded in the desert like pieces of trash is gutwrenching to even think about.

Imo

You are the best. Solid , even , concise and non-confrontational.

 

[Mony Mony]

Random observations from the two-time felon's police statement, Day 10, part 3:

At the 50 minute mark, he says Joey's life is at stake. I just found this odd.

At the 1:00 mark, he says he bought QB Pro using Joey's CC a few days after Feb 4th. And he says he did this as instructed by Joey because Joey wanted to hide the financials from Summer because she had a spending problem. Ooookkkkkkkk

At the 1:25 mark, he says Dan K. asked him what are they going to do (with the business) and CM says, "I don't know, I don't have access to.......his emails".
My takeaway: that was an oops moment. he wasn't supposed to have access to anything, but just got through telling the detectives how he had access to QBs and CC.

 

[dlkutac]

Joey could have written that check. What is there to prove he didn't?

There isn't direct evidence, only circumstantial. If Joey issued the check, then changed his mind and decided that Chase should just create one at his place to save a trip or something, he would not have deleted it since it would have to be input into the contact account anyway with an adjustment to check number later (and apparently amount as well). Also, there would be communication afterward telling Chase to go ahead and create the check from his home. Plus, if the check was actually created by Joey, and not used, it would be laying around in his office or in his checkbook.