CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

[missy1974]

Tortoise, I think this is what you’re talking about.

Testimony is from Day 12, 10:20 of this video, the jury was shown the records (because it came up in the Geis construction guys testimony)

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[A lucas]

I think his shaky money situation, was due to not knowing how to handle money intelligently, rather than being "not very well off." Heck, JM paid him something like $173,000!! That's an enormous amount of money to have, for not having anything at all to show for it. What. A. STUPE.

Agreed. 173k would offer most of us a very comfortable lifestyle. Now if only one didn’t have that horrendous gambling habit...

This man was well paid but chose to squander it whilst impacting quality of life for his kids and partner because of his selfish choices. Despite his financial downfall being his own doing I think he felt entitled to what Joey had and was jealous of his growing success.

They say money is the root of all evil. In this case I think it truly was.

 

[Hapworth]

Yes. January, but not sure if it was same year.

January 29th, 2009
Amounts: 105.88. and. 211.75
Machine: Bancomer. Bilbao Vizca Mexico

 

[citygirl]

Sorry, rebuttal of ? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, do you mean re-direct? Perhaps it's different terms we're used to.

Yes. Re-direct.

 

[missy1974]

Her voice doesn't bother me.
I do like McGee.
And the judge reminds me of Barney Rubble. Not in a bad way, though.
Semi retired, good reputation, slow and deliberate and VERY patient. I think he loves what he does.

bahaha Barney Rubble is a good comparison! LOL

 

[missy1974]

Agreed. 173k would offer most of us a very comfortable life. Now if only one didn’t have that horrendous gambling habit...

This man was well paid but chose to squander it whilst impacting quality of life for his kids and partner because of his selfish choices. Despite his financial downfall being his own doing I think he felt entitled to what Joey had and was jealous of his growing success.

They say money is the root of all evil. In this case I think it truly was.

What I don't understand about the 173K is if that all went to Chase? (might be able to see that more with the exhibit's today) Someone has given me the link to the spreadsheets that were posted long ago, they are a bit confusing without knowing all the facts. I was expecting more from the forensic accountant LOL They could have just shown us bank statements... although his charts were good to see and breaking some of it down for us! I was curious if they had more "casino" info, which they did!

 

[Plumeria5]

No one seems to comment on the female prosecutor. I like how she examines the witnesses. Seems to be clear and concise. I never have any trouble following her. Not sure she ever does cross examination?

I like her. She is thorough and seems passionate about what she is doing.

 

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, I think this is what you’re talking about.

It looks like it Mica. If that transaction between them was discussed here I must have had amnesia at the time.

I'm only surprised because it relates to Dan K and I thought that would be a topic worthy of discussion, especially since it works against the defense case that Dan was taking Joey's money.

 

[Bernina]

I think we need to see CJ's account info. As already shown in evidence, she was given at least 2 checks from EIP, the SOS check and one that a "mysterious gremlin" wrote after the family was gone.

BTW: CM really couldn't clean out JM because all accounts were frozen on Feb. 19, 2010. (per testimony)

 

[Meemaw12]

Did I hear her (Prosecutor) correctly on direct that CM had a ATM withdrawal from a location in Mexico at the end of January?

Yes you did hear correctly

 

[missy1974]

I like her. She is thorough and seems passionate about what she is doing.

I agree with this! Even if I don't like her voice lol

 

[Tortoise]

Yes. Re-direct.

Yes she does do that with her witnesses. She is good at it. IMO

 

[Meemaw12]

Did I hear her (Prosecutor) correctly on direct that CM had a ATM withdrawal from a location in Mexico at the end of January?

 

[Tortoise]

This is the guy the defense was complaining that they hadn't received a report from, but all he did really was collate the financial information from Chase's bank statements by the looks of it.

 

[Mica]

It looks like it Mica. If that transaction between them was discussed here I must have had amnesia at the time.

I'm only surprised because it relates to Dan K and I thought that would be a topic worthy of discussion, especially since it works against the defense case that Dan was taking Joey's money.

I think it was discussed here. But I could be wrong.

 

[Mica]

I think we need to see CJ's account info. As already shown in evidence, she was given at least 2 checks from EIP, the SOS check and one that a "mysterious gremlin" wrote after the family was gone.

BTW: CM really couldn't clean out JM because all accounts were frozen on Feb. 19, 2010. (per testimony)

I don’t think that’s correct. There were money transfers after the 19th of Feb. Copies of the transactions are posted on PM’s group FB page.

 

[Tortoise]

I don’t think that’s correct. There were money transfers after the 19th of Feb. Copies of the transactions are posted on PM’s group FB page.

I know Metro held onto those two cheques until about March.

 

[Tortoise]

Why didn't Chase have a bank statements between Nov 2009 and Jan 2010? I missed the explanation for that.

 

[missy1974]

This is the guy the defense was complaining that they hadn't received a report from, but all he did really was collate the financial information from Chase's bank statements by the looks of it.

I was wondering about that, if it was the same guy. I think it was IIRC it was for Chase's bank records. I don't think he really drew any conclusions, just "showed" the bank statements in a different way, and pulled specific transactions that were similar, which made the information way easier to see. I think that is why they broke early as well today, I recall the judge telling the defense that they would be allowed time between direct/cross to speak to their forensic accountant (I wonder if he was there?)

 

[Mica]

I know Metro held onto those two cheques until about March.

I’m referring to PayPal and e-check transfers after Feb. 19th. That account wasn’t frozen. From the File Section of PM’s FB page.

File: pp9.jpgDownload File

2/6/10 – Request initiated - money from bank account to paypal acct in amount of $2000.00 USD

2/9/10 - $2000 balance landed in paypal acct. bank transfer complete

2/18/10 – e-check payment to [email protected] $3000USD. Transaction ID SRW06714LN563872B

2/18/10 = Bank account transfer initiated 2/15/10 is now complete in amt of $2000USD

2/24/10 – Transfer initiated to [email protected] $2000USD. Transaction ID 97L9863056536422W

3/4/10 – funds request from bank initiated.

3/9/10 - $2900 available from bank transfer

3/11/10 - payment for $3,000.00 USD to [email protected] sent

3/25/10 - eCheck payment of $3,445.00 USD to Dan Kavanaugh Enterprises - Transaction ID: 4P167088KM548531V

3/25/10 - eCheck payment of $5,000.00 USD to EarthInspiredProducts.com([email protected]). Transaction ID: 7AG806806B413274P

3/30/10 – attempted to withdraw $2000 from UBOC. Declined.

3/30/10 – tried again. Denied.

5/5/10 – tried again. Declined.

5/21/10 – tried again. declined

6/1/10 – attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from bank account, ending in 1738. This transfer was returned by bank on Jun. 7, 2010 for the reason - The bank account is closed.

6/1/10 - attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from alternate bank account, twice. This transfer was returned by bank on 6/7/10 for the reason - There was a bank processing error.

6/1/10 - attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from your bank account, ending in 2784.