CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #9

[JMarsh]

By whose account was Chase an involved parent? Besides his own account?

It's in the search warrants.

 

[Recidivist]

It's in the search warrants.

Oh, do you mean when Chase was comparing his parenting method to Summer's. I don't recall any independent statements of Chase being an involved parent by anyone.

 

[Bernina]

Out of CJ's own mouth, CM would be gone for days at the casinos when talking about if CM ever turned his phone off.
And JM helping CJ financially because CM was in the pokie.
Real "hands on dad".
Awesome father, give that man an award.

 

[cobalt sky]

Oh, do you mean when Chase was comparing his parenting method to Summer's. I don't recall any independent statements of Chase being an involved parent by anyone.

Well, Chase never got in trouble with the police for leaving his baby unattended in a vehicle and afaik was never mixed up in any CPS issues. So there's that at least.

None of us know what type of parents Chase and Cathy were/are. Chase's oldest daughter seems very supportive of her father and I have only heard flattering comments about her. Seeing as Chase has not been charged with any crimes against CJ or any of his children, opinions of his parenting are irrelevant and just gossip.

I know people here are disappointed that it is now clear that CJ is not working with the pros, actually she is testifying for the defense. And we did not get our smoking gun from these recordings which I was hoping for to finally push me off the fence either way. But lashing out at CJ is kind of lame imo because everyone is assuming she is complicit and I don't think that has been proven yet at all.

Also, I might be remembering wrong, but when CJ was being interviewed by LE, weren't she and Chase separated? Wasn't he living with Mechelle at the time? If so, that is telling that CJ didn't change her story even though they were no longer together and he was living with another woman. Maybe she really is telling the truth. I think we need to hear more evidence before knowing for sure.

 

[Recidivist]

I agree that the suggestion that Chase was an involved parent, is merely gossip.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Out of CJ's own mouth, CM would be gone for days at the casinos when talking about if CM ever turned his phone off.
And JM helping CJ financially because CM was in the pokie.
Real "hands on dad".
Awesome father, give that man an award.

It seems the awesome father award should go to JOEY MCSTAY, the very man who was murdered by this no good ex felon, all around loser, and grifter.

Its unfathomable to me after all Joey did for CJ, and her children she chooses to betray him, and his family.

It's a sad glimpse into her lack of character as well. It does show how she was able to stay with CM for so long. Imo, they are two peas in the same pod.

It's always such a travesty when such evil destroys goodness, and when the devil seems to have a right hand man, or in this case a woman.

As an aside:

When she testifies for the defense during the state's cross examination can they bring out any scams she may have done in the past, or if she too has a criminal record? It would be another way for the jury to weigh her crediblity.

If not, I hope the defense opens the door. This can be done if the defense tries to build her good character up to the jury. The state most likely has evidence of bad character.

I now feel there is a lot more that we don't know when it comes to who CJ really is, and how she was during the entire relationship with him. Was she ever aware of the scams he pulled, and said nothing because she was reaping part of the rewards?

Who of any moral character at all would want to bring three children into the world knowing their father is an ex felon twice over, with several jail stays to boot. She also knew he was a gambling addict.

Imo

 

[Longtimenoc]

Is Jarvis dense or devious? Maybe she's like Bundys girlfriend, stays home and bakes pies while hubby is out smashing peoples brains in.

If she would have gone to the police early on this trial would be a memory now and the families would be healing. Instead they suffered unbelievable abuse while the corpses moldered out in the desert.

What was she thinking when her husbands employer and family dissapeared? Did she notice Merritts sudden wealth? Whose computer was used to print those checks, will she maintain she was in the dark?

We are talking about the cruel murders of little babes. She is a heartless monster and needs locked up. I hope that she too will face charges someday but its doubtful.

 

[JMarsh]

Oh, do you mean when Chase was comparing his parenting method to Summer's. I don't recall any independent statements of Chase being an involved parent by anyone.

No. What you mention is not in the search warrants, the story about Chase and Summer came from the 2010 interview and a news article. What I am referencing is in a probable cause affidavit.

 

[JMarsh]

I agree that the suggestion that Chase was an involved parent, is merely gossip.

No it isn't. It is mentioned in a search warrant affidavit, authored by the very investigators who charged him.

Have you read the search warrants on this case?

 

[JMarsh]

Well, Chase never got in trouble with the police for leaving his baby unattended in a vehicle and afaik was never mixed up in any CPS issues. So there's that at least.

None of us know what type of parents Chase and Cathy were/are. Chase's oldest daughter seems very supportive of her father and I have only heard flattering comments about her. Seeing as Chase has not been charged with any crimes against CJ or any of his children, opinions of his parenting are irrelevant and just gossip.

I know people here are disappointed that it is now clear that CJ is not working with the pros, actually she is testifying for the defense. And we did not get our smoking gun from these recordings which I was hoping for to finally push me off the fence either way. But lashing out at CJ is kind of lame imo because everyone is assuming she is complicit and I don't think that has been proven yet at all.

Also, I might be remembering wrong, but when CJ was being interviewed by LE, weren't she and Chase separated? Wasn't he living with Mechelle at the time? If so, that is telling that CJ didn't change her story even though they were no longer together and he was living with another woman. Maybe she really is telling the truth. I think we need to hear more evidence before knowing for sure.

Read the search warrants. They are on line.

 

[Longtimenoc]

No it isn't. It is mentioned in a search warrant affidavit, authored by the very investigators who indicted him.

Well then all the people who can testify to his good parenting skills can come out of the woodwork and testify on his behalf during the death penalty sentencing phase.

 

[Recidivist]

No it isn't. It is mentioned in a search warrant affidavit, authored by the very investigators who charged him.

Have you read the search warrants on this case?

Yes, I have. And again I don't recall anyone stating that Chase was an involved parent. I think I would remember that since Chase's actions seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, Chase never got in trouble with the police for leaving his baby unattended in a vehicle and afaik was never mixed up in any CPS issues. So there's that at least.

None of us know what type of parents Chase and Cathy were/are. Chase's oldest daughter seems very supportive of her father and I have only heard flattering comments about her. Seeing as Chase has not been charged with any crimes against CJ or any of his children, opinions of his parenting are irrelevant and just gossip.

I know people here are disappointed that it is now clear that CJ is not working with the pros, actually she is testifying for the defense. And we did not get our smoking gun from these recordings which I was hoping for to finally push me off the fence either way. But lashing out at CJ is kind of lame imo because everyone is assuming she is complicit and I don't think that has been proven yet at all.

Also, I might be remembering wrong, but when CJ was being interviewed by LE, weren't she and Chase separated? Wasn't he living with Mechelle at the time? If so, that is telling that CJ didn't change her story even though they were no longer together and he was living with another woman. Maybe she really is telling the truth. I think we need to hear more evidence before knowing for sure.

I'm not the least disappointed that she is testifying for the defense.

I have said several times prior that it would be much better if she testified for the defense.

It gives the state much more of an advantage. First. They get to hear her entire direct testimony first.

Second, now the state is allowed to ask leading questions since they will be the one cross examining her.

That means the state can now ask long leading questions where they get out to the jury what they want them to know in the questions themselves, and ask her for a simple yes or no answer.

So I've always believed it would be much better strategically for the state for the defense to call her instead of them..

I'm elated now that I know for certain the defense is going to do exactly that.

In fact myself,and Mrjitty had a discussion about that very subject . Lol!

Jmo

 

[Force Ten]

Well, Chase never got in trouble with the police for leaving his baby unattended in a vehicle and afaik was never mixed up in any CPS issues.

Seeing as Chase has not been charged with any crimes against CJ or any of his children, opinions of his parenting are irrelevant and just gossip.

These statements are grossly contradictory and completely out of context imo.
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You're really comparing Chase's parenting to Summer's??

So this man spent months in jail while his wife and children had to rely on Joseph to pay their rent, buy groceries - essentially be 'man of the house' - because daddy got caught stealing. A real role model there.

He printed and forged signatures on checks upwards of $20k from his "best friend" - that he really needed back to afford to pay rent(!!!) - then to gamble all that money away in casinos. At least that's believed. It certainly didn't go to his wife and children.

According The mother of his children he would stay out for days at casinos. I have to wonder what would be going through her head if they were having money issues yet he is at casinos. They shared the same bank account, so she had to have seen that cash flow of $173k coming through the account over the course of that year. Yet by all accounts, the family was living hand to mouth.

Oh then there is that little thing Chase Merritt wants you to overlook - the beating to death his best friend, his wife and two little boys.

Best Father and Man of the Year. He did it all for his children.

Let's hear it for Chase Merritt!!

 

[Longtimenoc]

These statements are grossly contradictory and completely out of context imo. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You're really comparing Chase's parenting to Summer's??

So this man spent months in jail while his wife and children had to rely on Joseph to pay their rent, buy groceries - essentially be 'man of the house' - because daddy got caught stealing. A real role model there.

He printed and forged signatures on checks upwards of $20k from his "best friend" - that he really needed back to afford to pay rent(!!!) - then to gamble all that money away in casinos. At least that's believed. It certainly didn't go to his wife and children.

According The mother of his children he would stay out for days at casinos. I have to wonder what would be going through her head if they were having money issues yet he is at casinos. They shared the same bank account, so she had to have seen that cash flow of $173k coming through the account over the course of that year. Yet by all accounts, the family was living hand to mouth.

Oh then there is that little thing Chase Merritt wants you to overlook - the beating to death his best friend, his wife and two little boys.

Best Father and Man of the Year. He did it all for his children.

Let's hear it for Chase Merritt!!

Preach it brother F Ten. You are the man.

 

[Force Ten]

No it isn't. It is mentioned in a search warrant affidavit, authored by the very investigators who charged him.

Have you read the search warrants on this case?

I've read the search warrants. I remember something about him writing a book. It wasn't a book for children though.

I think it was a fictional horror book.

 

[asyousay]

Any parent who spends time in jail or gambles away £1000’s when the family is struggling financially is not a “good” dad.

And just because his daughter is supporting him doesn’t make him innocent. It just means she wants to believe the best of her father.

 

[Bernina]

Just because individuals have disdain for CJ, it doesn't mean they're making that assumption because she *may* be pro-defense.

Children can grow up to be incredible, law abiding adults in spite of their criminal parent, it doesn't mean their criminal parent was a GOOD parent. RARELY does it mean they were a good parent.

 

[Longtimenoc]

I've read the search warrants. I remember something about him writing a book. It wasn't a book for children though.

I think it was a fictional horror

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's in the search warrants.

Thanks. Who made those statements, and did they have a vested interest to embellish?

Did anyone outside of the CM family make statements confirming it to be true?

Tia