CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #9

[Plumeria5]

Didn't Ted Bundy serve as his own attorney at some point?

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I believe that is a "yes".

 

[KALI]

I'm so disappointed that no one seems to be covering this trial. I wonder how different it would have been if the bodies were found shortly thereafter?

I guess there's a reason defence Attorneys like to stall. Apparently, it works.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Didn't Ted Bundy serve as his own attorney at some point?

Yes, also Collin Ferguson. Both were found guilty. They both were their own worst enemies.

Imo

 

[Tortoise]

It seems a little fishy to me that the camera was whisked away just when the cell tower evidence was running.

My favorite two pics from the trial so far. Very strong visuals for the jury.

click to enlarge - cell tower next to the graves and Merritt's bank balance for Feb 2010.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My question is Chase wants to testify without an attorney. Would someone who was guilty do this!?

I think another good question to ask is:

Would an innocent man or woman be willing to give up many years of freedom sitting in a locked jail cell, when they all had a constitutional right to demand a speedy trial be held?

Jmo

 

[missy1974]

I think another good question to ask is:

Would an innocent man or woman be willing to give up many years of freedom sitting in a locked jail cell, when they all had a constitutional right to demand a speedy trial be held?

Jmo

See, I don't understand this statement at all. I would check into the forum between 2014-2018, I would read about how he was stalling, etc., and believed what the majority were saying at the time. Yet every article I have read about the delays in the last few months, it's actually not the case. At one point his lawyers asked to be dismissed because he would NOT waive his right to a speedy trial. He had a constitutional right to a speedy trial, yet when he tried to assert that right, he lost his lawyer, how ironic.

So now this is where you all reply and say that him NOT waiving his right to a speedy trial is a stalling tactic....

Can't win, right? He waives it... he's stalling. He doesn't waive it... he's stalling.

 

[missy1974]

I don’t believe he is innocent but I don’t think the prosecution are doing a good enough job.

The biggest evidence to me is the back dating of the cheques.

Other stuff can explained away like the touch DNA as even the prosecution claim they had lunch that day so it’s not a stretch that Joey had Chases DNA on his hands after lunch. Mobile phone tower pings testimony again it’s not conclusive evidence.

Nice to "see" you! I was thinking about you, you have been quiet

 

[missy1974]

It seems a little fishy to me that the camera was whisked away just when the cell tower evidence was running.

My favorite two pics from the trial so far. Very strong visuals for the jury.

click to enlarge - cell tower next to the graves and Merritt's bank balance for Feb 2010.

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I don't think Cathy Russon has that much pull with L&C

 

[oceanblueeyes]

See, I don't understand this statement at all. I would check into the forum between 2014-2018, I would read about how he was stalling, etc., and believed what the majority were saying at the time. Yet every article I have read about the delays in the last few months, it's actually not the case. At one point his lawyers asked to be dismissed because he would NOT waive his right to a speedy trial. He had a constitutional right to a speedy trial, yet when he tried to assert that right, he lost his lawyer, how ironic.

So now this is where you all reply and say that him NOT waiving his right to a speedy trial is a stalling tactic....

Can't win, right? He waives it... he's stalling. He doesn't waive it... he's stalling.

It really doesn't matter what his attorney decided to do afterwards. It was his sole decision to make. No one else can undo it.

No matter what happened, he could have still exercised his right whether the attorney agreed with him or not.

Just like he had a constitutional right to represent himself, and did at some point, before he changed his mind again..

Yes, I do believe part of it was designed to be a stall tactic. Just like he selected to go per se, and then changed his mind, causing another delay.

It is always beneficial for the defense to stall the case from coming to trial. Even defense attorneys have admitted that when interviewed. It slows waydown the inevitable conclusion.

The rules aren't nearly as structured in a jail like it will be if he is convicted, with a possibilty of being sent to a maximum security prison, with even a possibility of being on death row.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

It really doesn't matter what his attorney decided to do afterwards. It was his sole decision to make. No one else can undo it.

No matter what happened, he still could have still exercised his right whether the attorney agreed with him or not.

Just like he had a constitutional right to represent himself, and did at some point, before he changed his mind again..

Yes, I do believe part of it was designed to be a stall tactic. Just like he selected to go per se, and then changed his mind, causing another delay.

It is always beneficial for the defense to stall the case from coming to trial. Even defense attorneys have admitted that when interviewed. It slows waydown the inevitable conclusion.

The rules aren't nearly as structured in a jail like it will be if he is convicted, with a possibilty of being sent to a maximum security prison, with even a possibility of being on death row.

Imo

See! LOL It doesn't matter.

So a defendant, any defendant, asserts their right to a speedy trial, does not waive their right to a speedy trial, the lawyer asks be dismissed, the judge dismisses him. Defendant is stalling.

 

[Tortoise]

I think I'm getting the measure of the way he thinks. If I'm not wrong he tries to think what would a guilty person do or say in every situation so that he can do the opposite. I'd say it's a gambling tactic.

Is that the McStays walking over the border? Well the family car's been put there to give that impression, they'll be expecting me to say it's them if I left it there so I'll surprise them and say it's not them. His thinking - they won't think it's me who parked it there. (trouble is he's already anticipating they are treating this as murder and they're not yet.)

Tell us about Summer. Oh me? I couldn't stand the woman. And those kids were so badly behaved! His thinking - I wouldn't be saying that if I'd killed them all.

I'll prove to them I was there at lunch on the 4th so I'll tell them I'm almost positive Joey paid by card - would I say that and chance getting it wrong, if I wasn't there? (trouble is no one was looking for confirmation he'd been there so that was a big misjudgment, plus he chose the wrong card to play that day because Joey must've paid in cash).

etc.

Same thing with waiving his rights and wanting to take the state on without a lawyer.

He has a controlling personality so he wouldn't feel anyone could do it the way he wants it done (looks like he's running his own office in that corner of the room) and he is transparently devious - to anyone trained in looking for deception. If you look back over all his statements and deeds (backdating cheques, not phoning Joey that weekend, using past tense, telling them that Dan was a bad boy etc) he shows guilty knowledge that they're dead.

 

[Tortoise]

#McStay - Good news. We have audio from the trial for yesterday and today. We'll be uploading to our youtube channel today.
Cathy Russon (@cathyrusson) | Twitter

 

[missy1974]

#McStay - Good news. We have audio from the trial for yesterday and today. We'll be uploading to our youtube channel today.
Cathy Russon (@cathyrusson) | Twitter

Thank goodness!!!! although, seeing maps, etc. from Boles would have been nice, at least we have some from Thursday to help! Ahhh there goes catching up on Grey's Anatomy tonight haha

 

[Mica]

#McStay - Good news. We have audio from the trial for yesterday and today. We'll be uploading to our youtube channel today.
Cathy Russon (@cathyrusson) | Twitter

Thank you, Tortoise! Good news!

 

[Tortoise]

We're like scavengers

 

[missy1974]

We're like scavengers

I don't even care if they sound like Kermit the Frog (remember OS's?LOL)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

See! LOL It doesn't matter.

So a defendant, any defendant, asserts their right to a speedy trial, does not waive their right to a speedy trial, the lawyer asks be dismissed, the judge dismisses him. Defendant is stalling.

I know you will totally disagree with me about CM the career conman, and I respect that you do disagree. It's certainly your right to do so.

However, I believe everything CM does has a purposeful intent in mind behind all of it.

I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. I believe he has always been a con, and pathological liar.

He knew already his attorney was going to quit if he said he wanted a speedy trial. The attorney would make that very clear to him, even before entering the courtroom.

The attorney just had to get it on the record in front of the judge so he could dismiss him from the case. They make sure they advise the judge that they have already talked with their client, and how they advised them against it.

Just like it's been done countless other times before in many cases when an attorney is asking to be withdrawn from a case for various reasons.

IMHOO, it was all a ploy, and another congame CM played. Then it would be poor pitiful Merritt that his attorney has left him. He knew his attorney was going to quit, and he knew it would cause a delay

So yes, I firmly believe it was all for show, and nothing else.

That's my entitled opinion about the whole speedy trial subject, and I know you have yours, which is the opposite of mine, which is perfectly fine of course.

Imo he never had any real intentions to go to trial in 180 days from his arrest.

Imo, it was all orchestrated just like all of the other scams he's done all based on the lies he told.

Jmo and nothing more.

 

[missy1974]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson
#McStay - More good news! We'll have our camera back in the courtroom Thursday. Tomorrow court is only in session in the morning and we'll have audio to upload.

 

[Emi]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson
#McStay - More good news! We'll have our camera back in the courtroom Thursday. Tomorrow court is only in session in the morning and we'll have audio to upload.

Thanks!! Perfect!

 

[thelmadawg]

Before we learned that L&C would be back as in the most recent threads, I had contacted Joe Nelson. Here is the email convo. We'll see, but thanks, Joe.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 10:36 AM
Hi Joe,
OK, I know someone else has been assigned to the trial, but we need you! Law & Crime is having difficulty with the live stream either technically or economically. Is anyone else providing a live stream?
Or will you be ours (live stream) ?

Hi! Let me forward this to the editor who is overseeing McStay trial coverage and see if she can help you out.
Joe Nelson