Found Deceased CA - John Wooner, 57, city manager, Bakersfield, 14 May 2019

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Ontario International and Bob Hope (Burbank) are nearby and have many flights per day.
Yes Burbank is a few miles less than LAX but Ontario is about 35 miles more than LAX. I guess I used LAX as an example because there are so many long-term parking lots and private long-term lots that a car could be there for months without LE being notified.
 
  • #102
I would not be surprised if license plates are scanned as cars drive into airport parking. I also would not be surprised if airport security and local police don’t routinely check the parking lots for stolen/missing cars, maybe even with automatic plate scanning. The scan of cars in parking lots is common in motel parking lots.

Technology is making it much harder to abandon a car for a long period at airports like it used to be.
 
  • #103
Just hearing about this man, and reading his story. I fear self-harm here, mainly b/c of his visit to his father's grave being the last sighting of John.
 
  • #104
The thing is that he told his family he was going to stop by the cemetery. If he was going to take his own life, why would he tell them where he was going? Especially if he was planning to go somewhere else to commit his final act? We know that he did go to the cemetery because workers saw him there. So he leaves. And then what? And have we heard anymore about the body pulled from the water?
 
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"Termination for cause" -- doesn't that usually mean something pretty serious? This is what I found when I looked it up:

"Termination for cause is serious business. Employers and employees have many reasons for parting ways, but employment termination for cause is not a desirable outcome—for either the employer or the employee. Termination for cause generally occurs when an employee makes a severe error in actions or judgment.

Termination for cause occurs when an employee's actions in the workplace, interactions with their coworkers, interaction with their manager, or ways in which they treat a customer or vendor are so egregious that they require employment termination—sometimes immediately.

termination letter.

Termination for cause can occur for any actions that an employer considers being grave misconduct. Examples of such situations include these:
  • Violation of the company code of conduct or ethics policy
  • Failure to follow company policy
  • Breach of contract
  • Violence or threatened violence
  • Threats or threatening behavior
  • Stealing company money or property
  • Lying
  • Falsifying records
  • Extreme insubordination
  • Harassment
  • Failing an alcohol or drug test
  • A conviction for some crimes
  • Watching 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 online

These are not the only reasons why an employer might fire an employee for cause. Every time employers think they've seen every possible reason to terminate an employee for cause, an employee proves them wrong. So, an exhaustive list is impossible."
(Source: For What Reasons Will an Employer Fire an Employee?)

They've already stated he wasn't in trouble for financial misconduct. Could the cause be abandoning his position (I guess this would be breach of contract)? Would they really terminate him if they thought he was missing not by his own volition? For some reason, I've become very curious about this case.
 
  • #107
"Termination for cause" -- doesn't that usually mean something pretty serious? This is what I found when I looked it up:

"Termination for cause is serious business. Employers and employees have many reasons for parting ways, but employment termination for cause is not a desirable outcome—for either the employer or the employee. Termination for cause generally occurs when an employee makes a severe error in actions or judgment.

Termination for cause occurs when an employee's actions in the workplace, interactions with their coworkers, interaction with their manager, or ways in which they treat a customer or vendor are so egregious that they require employment termination—sometimes immediately.

termination letter.

Termination for cause can occur for any actions that an employer considers being grave misconduct. Examples of such situations include these:
  • Violation of the company code of conduct or ethics policy
  • Failure to follow company policy
  • Breach of contract
  • Violence or threatened violence
  • Threats or threatening behavior
  • Stealing company money or property
  • Lying
  • Falsifying records
  • Extreme insubordination
  • Harassment
  • Failing an alcohol or drug test
  • A conviction for some crimes
  • Watching 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 online

These are not the only reasons why an employer might fire an employee for cause. Every time employers think they've seen every possible reason to terminate an employee for cause, an employee proves them wrong. So, an exhaustive list is impossible."
(Source: For What Reasons Will an Employer FiIt re an Employee?)

They've already stated he wasn't in trouble for financial misconduct. Could the cause be abandoning his position (I guess this would be breach of contract)? Would they really terminate him if they thought he was missing not by his own volition? For some reason, I've become very curious about this case.
I hope it only for breach of contract since the other items on the list are so egregious. It also may be the only legal way to be able to hire another city manager.
 
  • #108
"Termination for cause" -- doesn't that usually mean something pretty serious? This is what I found when I looked it up:

"Termination for cause is serious business. Employers and employees have many reasons for parting ways, but employment termination for cause is not a desirable outcome—for either the employer or the employee. Termination for cause generally occurs when an employee makes a severe error in actions or judgment.

Termination for cause occurs when an employee's actions in the workplace, interactions with their coworkers, interaction with their manager, or ways in which they treat a customer or vendor are so egregious that they require employment termination—sometimes immediately.

termination letter.

Termination for cause can occur for any actions that an employer considers being grave misconduct. Examples of such situations include these:
  • Violation of the company code of conduct or ethics policy
  • Failure to follow company policy
  • Breach of contract
  • Violence or threatened violence
  • Threats or threatening behavior
  • Stealing company money or property
  • Lying
  • Falsifying records
  • Extreme insubordination
  • Harassment
  • Failing an alcohol or drug test
  • A conviction for some crimes
  • Watching 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 online

These are not the only reasons why an employer might fire an employee for cause. Every time employers think they've seen every possible reason to terminate an employee for cause, an employee proves them wrong. So, an exhaustive list is impossible."
(Source: For What Reasons Will an Employer Fire an Employee?)

They've already stated he wasn't in trouble for financial misconduct. Could the cause be abandoning his position (I guess this would be breach of contract)? Would they really terminate him if they thought he was missing not by his own volition? For some reason, I've become very curious about this case.
I’m sure he was terminated due to abandoning position. The city can not afford to pay his salary plus hire another person to do his job. There is no need to look further than the abandonment of his job. They are not LE. They make no statements as to whether his abandonment is voluntary or involuntary.

I work in employment law. This is standard and would happen to anyone who doesn’t show up for work for weeks on end. They actually were quite reasonable in waiting almost two months to terminate him. Most employers would have done this on the second or third week.
 
  • #109
Thank you, suglo! That clears that up for me! Such a diverse group of people on WS, someone always has the answers. Except where John is, unfortunately :(
 
  • #110
Bump for John!
 
  • #111
They certainly could put him on unpaid leave.
 
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Wooner’s family has decades-long ties to the area – his late father, Orval, was the police chief and later, first city manager of nearby Arvin — but Cantu said Wooner asked his wife where his father was buried before going to the Bakersfield cemetery where he was last seen.

Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article231654678.html#storylink=

So he didn’t know where his father was buried? Wonder if that means he didn’t know the cemetery or just couldn’t remember the particular spot at the cemetery.
 
  • #114
So he didn’t know where his father was buried? Wonder if that means he didn’t know the cemetery or just couldn’t remember the particular spot at the cemetery.
Somewhere it stated he was estranged from his father.
 
  • #115
DBM
 
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I’m sure he was terminated due to abandoning position. The city can not afford to pay his salary plus hire another person to do his job. There is no need to look further than the abandonment of his job. They are not LE. They make no statements as to whether his abandonment is voluntary or involuntary.

I work in employment law. This is standard and would happen to anyone who doesn’t show up for work for weeks on end. They actually were quite reasonable in waiting almost two months to terminate him. Most employers would have done this on the second or third week.
I will leave it to you, an employment law professional* to determine what is standard practice. However, what happens to his family? Their medical coverage? This seems very hard hearted for the family of a missing person.

Amateur opinion and speculation
*Would you consider getting verified? It would be great to have another verified legal person!
 
  • #119
I will leave it to you, an employment law professional* to determine what is standard practice. However, what happens to his family? Their medical coverage? This seems very hard hearted for the family of a missing person.

Amateur opinion and speculation
*Would you consider getting verified? It would be great to have another verified legal person!
The family is likely eligible for Cobra benefits, the same as anyone leaving a position.

The city may have to be “hard hearted”. They only have so much money to spend on employees and paying salary and benefits for someone who isn’t three likely isn’t in the dudget.
 
  • #120
I will leave it to you, an employment law professional* to determine what is standard practice. However, what happens to his family? Their medical coverage? This seems very hard hearted for the family of a missing person.

Amateur opinion and speculation
*Would you consider getting verified? It would be great to have another verified legal person!
The release automatically triggers COBRA notifications. Most public employees also have life insurance but I’m not sure how or when the spouse could tap into that, or any retirement/401k benefits.

I’m a paralegal and have worked for close to 25 years in an employment law firm. It would be better to have my boss become a verified insider as I can state what I’ve seen done in previous cases but cannot actually give legal advice.
 

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