CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018 #2

[Roxxi3535]

Imo, there is an underlying current on this thread that the dad & sm are responsible for her disappearance. I know the last people to see her are often the prime suspects. They are the low hanging fruit. There are valid criticisms of all the parties in this case. I just don't think its fair to choose one & claim everything they have done is evil, a lie or sociopathic. Or to discount any report that would point away from that person as written by a fraud. jmo

IMO, the only party who deserves anyones criticism is SM & BD. Karlie's disappearance has nothing to do with her BM.
She went missing while in the care of the Gusés. They chose not to take their daughter to the ER while she was in obvious need of medical attention. Instead, SM took the time to audio record her stepdaughters behavior so she could rub it in her face later rather than showing concern for her childs life.

So, the responsibility does in fact fall back on the Gusés. Had they have used better judgement Karlie might still be around today.

And Im not sure what sides you are referring to... Theres really only one side to examine and that is SM and BD's various accounts. You either choose to believe them or not. I dont believe them but thats hardly picking a side when theres no other parties directly involved to pick from.

 

[MsMarple]

It's approaching one year since Karlie disappeared.

Unless she intended to run away and had some devious plan in place to do so - while she was paranoid and disoriented - the reasonable assumption is that she's deceased. So the remaining options are that she either got lost in the wilderness and died, was picked up by a stranger or someone knows something and isn't talking.

IMO it's possible she wandered off the road, got lost and died of exposure - how many times have we read of bodies being found years after searches were conducted within yards and yet they were missed? And how many times have we read of women being picked up by strangers and never heard from again?

But given the circumstances of Karlie's case IMO it's awfully hard to discount something happening in the home that night, especially with the jumbled stories and the histrionics of the SM who knowingly and admittedly lied about some things relevant to the case. Who does that when a child is missing?
Karlie Gusé stepmom admits: I gave the wrong description of my daughter’s clothes

Where's Karlie???

 

[Roxxi3535]

...IMO it's possible she wandered off the road, got lost and died of exposure - how many times have we read of bodies being found years after searches were conducted within yards and yet they were missed? And how many times have we read of women being picked up by strangers and never heard from again?

Thank you for bringing up that we read about these things all of the time. You are right. I can recall many cases where strangers have picked up runaways and thats the last anyone sees of them. People lost in the desert, forest, national parks and even at sea often succumb to the elements. With your info, I also wanted to add the theory involving SM. So many times have we heard or read that Stepmom's have been responsible for the death of their stepchild. They arent exempt from being considered a suspect simply because they raised the child. It is not unheard of, there are many cases where a stepmom has inflicted injury, even fatality to their stepchild.

CATHERINE LOWE MURDERED STEPDAUGHTER, CELESTE LOWE. On the morning of January 13, 2011, five-year-old Celeste Lowe was sick from a stomach bug. Instead of bringing the child to school, her stepmother, Catherine, 34, brought the young girl to work. When they arrived home, her father, Wesley, 32, noticed his daughter was still vomiting. The couple rushed the little girl to the hospital where she was pronounced dead. Tests revealed the time of death to be two hours prior to the child’s arrival. The coroner noted that rigor mortis had begun taking effect. He ruled the death a homicide, as a result of internal injuries that bled into the body cavity. Catherine was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 25 years in prison. Wesley was charged with negligent homicide, but those charges were later dropped.

SUEANNE HOBSON MURDERED HER STEPSON, CHRIS HOBSON. On April 17, 1980, 13-year-old Chris Hobson was reported missing from his home in Overland Park, Kansas, by his father. Less than a month later, his body was discovered in a shallow grave. He had been shot in the head and chest. Later that day, Chris stepbrother, James, was taken into custody where he confessed to the murder and implicated his mother, Sueanne, made him do it. The teenager told police his mother had previously tried to kill Chris by poisoning his ice cream. When that failed, she enlisted the help of her son. She told them she wanted her stepson gone by Christmas so she wouldn’t have to buy him any presents. Jimmy and Sueanne were each sentenced to life in prison. Sueanne was released in 2011. She is currently living with her husband Edward.

HEATHER JONES MURDERED HER STEPSON, ADRIAN JONES. On November 25, 2015, police were called to the home of Michael and Heather Jones for a domestic disturbance. While investigating a domestic dispute between Heather and her husband, officers learned the couple’s son, seven-year-old Adrian, had not been seen for months. A few days later, police served a search warrant on the property and found human remains in the barn. DNA testing confirmed it was Adrian. The district attorney revealed the little boy had been horribly abused, neglected, and his body fed to pigs. Officials said it was one of the worst things they had ever seen. Heather Jones, 30, pleaded guilty to murdering her stepson and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years. Michael, 45, was charged with first-degree murder and is currently awaiting trial.

RENEE KING MURDERED HER STEPDAUGHTER, LILY FURNEAUX. On November 20, 2010, Renee King, 29, of Macomb County, Michigan, called 911 to say her stepdaughter, two-year-old Lily Furneaux, was unconscious. When first responders arrived, Renee claimed her back gave out while she was bathing Lily, causing her to drop the child. The coroner determined Lily had died at least two hours before her stepmother called for help. In addition, the injuries sustained were inconsistent with Renee’s explanation. The little girl had suffered at least 20 blows to the head and had a penetrating injury to her vagina, which was later attributed to Renee punishing her for wetting her pants. Renee was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Due to the heinous nature of the crime, the judge added an additional 30–50 years for the sexual assault and five to seven years for child abuse.

ELISA BAKER MURDERED HER HANDICAPPED, CANCER SURVIVING STEPDAUGHTER, ZAHRA BAKER. Zahra Baker was born in Wagga Wagga, Australia, on November 16, 1999. Her mother suffered from post-natal depression and was unable to care for the little girl. She relinquished custody to Zahra’s father, Adam Baker. At the age of five, Zahra was diagnosed with bone cancer. As a result, she lost part of her left leg and her hearing. In 2008, when the young girl’s cancer went into remission, they moved to the United States with Adam’s new wife, Elisa, to get a fresh start. On October 9, 2010, Adam called 911 to report Zahra missing from their home in Hickory, North Carolina. During the investigation, it was discovered that no one had seen the girl for at least two weeks. When questioned by police, Elisa broke down and confessed to murdering her stepdaughter. She told officers she had dismembered her and scattered her remains at various sites. She tried to implicate Adam in the murder, but police eliminated him as a suspect. Elisa pleaded guilty to the murder and was sentenced to a minimum of 25 years. In 2013, she gave an interview stating she was innocent, and it was Adam who really murdered Zahra.

TRACEY WRIGHT MURDERED HER STEPDAUGHTER, LAUREN WRIGHT. Lauren Wright, of Welney, Norfolk, UK, was only six years old when her life was tragically cut short on May 6, 2000. In 1999, her father, Craig married Tracey Scarff, a school playground supervisor. He and Lauren moved in with Tracey and her two children. Tracey instantly resented her stepdaughter who she would inflict unimaginable abuse to, which ultimately left the young girl bedridden and unable to eat or drink. Lauren died from a blow to the stomach that caused her digestive system to collapse. Craig, 38, received a sentence of six years. His wife Tracey, 31, was sentenced to 15 years.

Im not saying that is what has happened, just that its not an unknown outcome when a child goes missing.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

These aren't just claims. SM has admitted to lying about multiple things involving that night/morning.

That's really disturbing, there should be no reason to lie if she doesn't have anything to hide. I wonder if LE has searched their property and the neighborhood for Karlie with a K9 unit. I also wonder if Karlie was being drugged without her knowledge, and that's why she was feeling so paranoid. JMP.

 

[bwt42]

It's approaching one year since Karlie disappeared.

Unless she intended to run away and had some devious plan in place to do so - while she was paranoid and disoriented - the reasonable assumption is that she's deceased. So the remaining options are that she either got lost in the wilderness and died, was picked up by a stranger or someone knows something and isn't talking.

IMO it's possible she wandered off the road, got lost and died of exposure - how many times have we read of bodies being found years after searches were conducted within yards and yet they were missed? And how many times have we read of women being picked up by strangers and never heard from again?

But given the circumstances of Karlie's case IMO it's awfully hard to discount something happening in the home that night, especially with the jumbled stories and the histrionics of the SM who knowingly and admittedly lied about some things relevant to the case. Who does that when a child is missing?
Karlie Gusé stepmom admits: I gave the wrong description of my daughter’s clothes

Where's Karlie???

I wouldn't consider making the wrong assumption on what she was wearing a lie. jmo

 

[SuziQ]

I wouldn't consider making the wrong assumption on what she was wearing a lie. jmo

She admitted she lied about that.

 

[bwt42]

She admitted she lied about that.

What motive would she have to lie about what she thought she was wearing?

 

[insearchoflight]

What motive would she have to lie about what she thought she was wearing?

Who knows? But she admits that she did

She states that she said she was wearing skinny jeans, T-shirt, and vans because that’s what she always wears. But she last saw her in bed in underwear and T-shirt. She couldn’t tell what clothes were missing so she really does not know last clothing. Witnesses report seeing a young lady matching Karlie’s description wearing gray sweatpants and T-shirt. SM then changes last clothing to gray sweatpants and T-shirt. SM was wearing gray sweatpants and T-shirt morning went Karlie missing. We can all make our own opinions about that, but that’s the facts we have.

 

[MsMarple]

I wouldn't consider making the wrong assumption on what she was wearing a lie. jmo

I was actually thinking more about her saying she was in different rooms in the house just prior to Karlie disappearing.

Look, to be clear I'm not saying SM and/or Dad committed an intentional act to harm Karlie nor am I saying it's the most likely scenario. I'm saying that it's reasonable to look closely at the last two people who saw Karlie that night and that the SM's lies are unusual given the circumstances.

IMOO it's unreasonable for any parent/caregiver to lie about where they were and what they were doing during the approximately hour and a half before their child went missing from their home. And it makes me wonder how accurate either story was.

She wanted to read the Bible and said she was scared: uncomfortable questions surround the case of missing California teen

 

[nyvictoria]

SM has told so many lies, and MCSO continues to back her up. This leads me to believe that LE isnt credible, shes not credible, most of the town isnt credible.
Its so sad for Karlie. Lots of people to blame for this poor child still being missing, lots.

Completely agree with you.

What motive would she have to lie about what she thought she was wearing?

That’s the big question. She lied about the clothing, IMO changing it to what she herself was wearing. The only reason for this lie is to produce witnesses who can tell LE they saw Karlie when in fact they saw the SM. These witness didn’t know Karlie or the SM. At 7am, in the morning dusk and from a distance, they saw a female with long dark hair. Was it Karlie? IMO it was the SM.

The usual motive for lying in cases like this is to cover up involvement in something nefarious. Whether a deliberate act, an accident or Karlie herself caused Karlie’s disappearance, a person who wants LE to find their missing step-child doesn’t lie about anything. An innocent person doesn’t try to influence witness to lead LE in the wrong direction. A person who asks the public for help doesn’t misdirect the public who are trying to help you find your missing step-child. A concerned parent doesn’t go on fb and make manic videos about themself.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Completely agree with you.


That’s the big question. She lied about the clothing, IMO changing it to what she herself was wearing. The only reason for this lie is to produce witnesses who can tell LE they saw Karlie when in fact they saw the SM. These witness didn’t know Karlie or the SM. At 7am, in the morning dusk and from a distance, they saw a female with long dark hair. Was it Karlie? IMO it was the SM.

The usual motive for lying in cases like this is to cover up involvement in something nefarious. Whether a deliberate act, an accident or Karlie herself caused Karlie’s disappearance, a person who wants LE to find their missing step-child doesn’t lie about anything. An innocent person doesn’t try to influence witness to lead LE in the wrong direction. A person who asks the public for help doesn’t misdirect the public who are trying to help you find your missing step-child. A concerned parent doesn’t go on fb and make manic videos about themself.

Exactly. There wouldnt be a reason worth telling to excuse SM from all the lies that she has told. No logical reason that is.

 

[10ofRods]

I can't get the possibility of serious mental illness out of my mind for this one (especially given Karlie's age). If she did get in someone's car or truck, she's miles from home and possibly living rough/homeless. All of the mentally ill homeless we see over in the coastal areas of California have to come from somewhere. Lots of young people are among them (Santa Monica and Santa Barbara are both friendly to the homeless mentally ill and many of the homeless do get some social services, but a lot of them don't give full names to staff, some are nearly mute or speaking in word salad).

 

[Knox]

Completely agree with you.


That’s the big question. She lied about the clothing, IMO changing it to what she herself was wearing. The only reason for this lie is to produce witnesses who can tell LE they saw Karlie when in fact they saw the SM. These witness didn’t know Karlie or the SM. At 7am, in the morning dusk and from a distance, they saw a female with long dark hair. Was it Karlie? IMO it was the SM.

The usual motive for lying in cases like this is to cover up involvement in something nefarious. Whether a deliberate act, an accident or Karlie herself caused Karlie’s disappearance, a person who wants LE to find their missing step-child doesn’t lie about anything. An innocent person doesn’t try to influence witness to lead LE in the wrong direction. A person who asks the public for help doesn’t misdirect the public who are trying to help you find your missing step-child. A concerned parent doesn’t go on fb and make manic videos about themself.

Interesting. So if we were to follow that train of thought, what would SM have been doing out there at 7 AM? Looking for Karlie on foot? I thought she was in her car, hence the damage to the undercarriage?

 

[nyvictoria]

Interesting. So if we were to follow that train of thought, what would SM have been doing out there at 7 AM? Looking for Karlie on foot? I thought she was in her car, hence the damage to the undercarriage?

She could have been looking for Karlie or she could have been hoping someone would see her and be a witness to seeing Karlie. I don’t think she was disposing of evidence, although I don’t rule it out completely. She may have thought she wasn’t seen and then when witnesses popped up, had to change the description of Karlie’s clothing. MG stated on the Dr Phil show that on Saturday she “moseyed” down to Rte 6, at a pace she thought Karlie would have walked, and it took her 25 minutes. She didn’t say what time she did that test-walk. If Karlie was so manic and panicky and fearful of something, would she have walked a slow pace? Was MG just saying she walked that route in case a witness who saw a slender female with dark hair could identify the female as MG and not Karlie?

Or did Karlie did run away and was seen by witnesses and either got lost and died in the desert, is in hiding somewhere or was abducted. I tend to rule out her getting lost in the desert. They had searchers, both with and without dogs, and helicopters with FLIR up by noon that day and IMO they likely would have found her.

There are too many questions and too many inconsistencies, most of them due to MG’s ever changing stories and those crazy videos. IMO the shame of it is that we have people here at WS, and out in the real world, who could have helped with further searches but were turned off by MG’s & ZG’s behavior. And, of course, nearly a year has passed and Karlie is still missing.

 

[HayLouise]

Press conference Friday 11am PST

Bring Karlie Home

 

[HayLouise]

Nearly one year ago, teenager Karlie Gusé disappeared. Since then, some say they saw her walking down the highway, some think she met with foul play, and some have become suspicious of one of Karlie’s family members. What happened to Karlie?

A year later, still no answers to California teen’s disappearance

Unsolved Mysteries on Twitter

 

[SAMS]

Press conference? Very curious.

 

[MsMarple]

Nearly one year ago, teenager Karlie Gusé disappeared. Since then, some say they saw her walking down the highway, some think she met with foul play, and some have become suspicious of one of Karlie’s family members. What happened to Karlie?

A year later, still no answers to California teen’s disappearance

Unsolved Mysteries on Twitter

From your link:
Sheriff Ingrid Braun told the Review-Journal that her office doesn’t have a theory about what happened to Karlie and remains “open to all possibilities.”

When asked whether she’d cleared Karlie’s family of involvement in her disappearance, Braun said, “Nobody’s been cleared of anything. Right now I don’t even have a crime to clear them of.”
...
To date there’s been only one arrest, of 18-year-old Jaymes Dulin, on allegations that he provided cannabis to Karlie on Oct. 12, 2018.

In January 2019, Dulin pleaded guilty to a lesser related charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Although no one’s been charged in connection with Karlie’s disappearance, Braun said, “We’re treating the investigation as we would a crime.”
A year later, still no answers to California teen’s disappearance

IMO if LE arrested the man who provided Karlie with the pot she smoked then it's likely they have a good idea of whether or not it was laced with something. Also, LE would know if anyone else at the party who smoked it had a bad reaction.

So maybe Karlie just didn't tolerate the pot very well but if so then the question remains why not, since she had smoked on prior occasions. Some members here have suggested it was a bad combination of an emerging mental illness and strong pot and IMO it's as viable a theory as anything else. Sadly, I doubt we'll ever know the full story, even if Karlie is eventually found. MOO.

I haven't seen any press release from the Mono County Sherrif's Office on the upcoming press conference yet but hopefully we'll hear about it soon.

 

[insearchoflight]

Press conference? Very curious.

A comment by the Bring Karlie Home Facebook page states that there is no update but the press conference marks the one year anniversary of her disappearance.

 

[Knox]

She could have been looking for Karlie or she could have been hoping someone would see her and be a witness to seeing Karlie. I don’t think she was disposing of evidence, although I don’t rule it out completely. She may have thought she wasn’t seen and then when witnesses popped up, had to change the description of Karlie’s clothing. MG stated on the Dr Phil show that on Saturday she “moseyed” down to Rte 6, at a pace she thought Karlie would have walked, and it took her 25 minutes. She didn’t say what time she did that test-walk. If Karlie was so manic and panicky and fearful of something, would she have walked a slow pace? Was MG just saying she walked that route in case a witness who saw a slender female with dark hair could identify the female as MG and not Karlie?

Or did Karlie did run away and was seen by witnesses and either got lost and died in the desert, is in hiding somewhere or was abducted. I tend to rule out her getting lost in the desert. They had searchers, both with and without dogs, and helicopters with FLIR up by noon that day and IMO they likely would have found her.

There are too many questions and too many inconsistencies, most of them due to MG’s ever changing stories and those crazy videos. IMO the shame of it is that we have people here at WS, and out in the real world, who could have helped with further searches but were turned off by MG’s & ZG’s behavior. And, of course, nearly a year has passed and Karlie is still missing.

Sorry NYV, this is not aimed at you. I'm having trouble with the thought of an intentional (mosey-like) walk down to Route 6 to time how long it would have taken Karlie to get there. If you are frantically searching for a missing kid, does that make sense? Putting myself in that position, I am not going to waste that kind of time? Anyway, this is really just one more weird distraction that takes away from the truth of what happened to Karlie. I'm gonna drop it.