CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018 #2

[bwt42]

I read back, looked at Google and watched the Dr. Phil show. Wow this case is contentious in terms of what people think happened to Karlie. Seems you would need to pick a side ...

Can I ask those of you who have followed the case from the beginning, what happened to Karlie?

I don't know what happened to her. LE says there are credible reports that she made it to the highway & that was the last sighting of her. I have seen no facts that would indicate otherwise.

 

[kaykay543]

She could have been looking for Karlie or she could have been hoping someone would see her and be a witness to seeing Karlie. I don’t think she was disposing of evidence, although I don’t rule it out completely. She may have thought she wasn’t seen and then when witnesses popped up, had to change the description of Karlie’s clothing. MG stated on the Dr Phil show that on Saturday she “moseyed” down to Rte 6, at a pace she thought Karlie would have walked, and it took her 25 minutes. She didn’t say what time she did that test-walk. If Karlie was so manic and panicky and fearful of something, would she have walked a slow pace? Was MG just saying she walked that route in case a witness who saw a slender female with dark hair could identify the female as MG and not Karlie?

Or did Karlie did run away and was seen by witnesses and either got lost and died in the desert, is in hiding somewhere or was abducted. I tend to rule out her getting lost in the desert. They had searchers, both with and without dogs, and helicopters with FLIR up by noon that day and IMO they likely would have found her.

There are too many questions and too many inconsistencies, most of them due to MG’s ever changing stories and those crazy videos. IMO the shame of it is that we have people here at WS, and out in the real world, who could have helped with further searches but were turned off by MG’s & ZG’s behavior. And, of course, nearly a year has passed and Karlie is still missing.

I have never bought this theory. KG and her MG in no way have similar body types. KG is very thin and petite. MG is heavier boned, taller and has shorter hair. I just don't see anyone mistaking MG for KG. And one of the witnesses said he did know KG and insists he saw her that morning.

Again I am not a fan of MG or the dad. I think they both made horrible mistakes that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

It is possible that someone picked her up on that highway. Or that she wandered into the desert and her body hasn't been found. I am not leaning to her being in the desert only because they got the helicopters out so quickly and found nothing.

 

[kaykay543]

This is the Official FB Page ran by SM and the family of Karlie Gusé. I hope Im not violating any rules but I think its okay because its public and ran by the family..??? Forgive me if im wrong.

Bring Karlie Home

This public post is alarming. The things said are so ugly and confrontational. What is wrong with SM? Doesnt she know that she brought this on by making public videos. IMOO

Bring Karlie Home

that page is a private page not public. Not sure if that old post you linked was when it was public? But its not anymore

 

[jenn83]

that page is a private page not public. Not sure if that old post you linked was when it was public? But its not anymore

I can see it and I'm not logged in to facebook so I don't think it's private.

Edit* There is an "official bring karlie home facebook group" and that is private but the link posted above is public page.

 

[claudianunes]

that page is a private page not public. Not sure if that old post you linked was when it was public? But its not anymore

It's not a "private page". I don't think there's such a thing on Facebook either, you can have private profiles and groups but I don't it's possible to make a page private. This is a public page.
Bring Karlie Home Will you try again? Let me know if it still doesn't work.

 

[PixieStix]

that page is a private page not public. Not sure if that old post you linked was when it was public? But its not anymore

Bring Karlie home is a public page that links to the private group also run by family members called OFFICIAL: Bring Karlie Guse Home.

 

[kaykay543]

Bring Karlie home is a public page that links to the private group also run by family members called OFFICIAL: Bring Karlie Guse Home.

Oh okay I had no idea her family runs this group. I was told the only one run by family is the "official page" which is set to private.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Oh okay I had no idea her family runs this group. I was told the only one run by family is the "official page" which is set to private.

Both the page and the group are ran by the family. They were both created and maintained by the Guses. Pages cannot be made private and I dont think they can be deleted either. Either way, I bet they wish they never created the page to begin with. Having to clean it up all the time Im sure is alot of extra work for them to keep up with on top of maintaining all those lies.

 

[AverageOpie]

Hey everyone,

I just learned of this site and decided to make an account after reading the story of Karlie’s disappearance on here. The circumstances, the location, the aftermath, it is all so intriguing. I feel like Karlie has gotten lost in all of that again. I wanted to come on and see if anyone wanted to work together establishing the different timelines provided by the SM and somewhere in there will lie the true timeline. Also, I’ve been compiling a list from both threads as well as from interviews that contains details, timelines, questions, and theories. I figured it would be best if we could come up with one organized post with everything we can gather rather than 70+ page threads. With such a muddied case, the more organized we can be the better chance we’ll have of finding Karlie. Please feel free to message me or we can get started here. Thank you!

-AverageOpie

 

[AverageOpie]

Does anyone know of the areas they have already searched on foot? It would be great to know what has already been covered so that can be re-checked after searching new areas.

 

[Topppps]

Isnt that just the most bizarre thing ever? A teenager with no social media interaction? This appears to be the case.
Unless the social media accounts were deleted for some reason or other. IDK? Very strange if she only had a sparsely used FB account, most teens have a variety of them.

I lived in for 5 years Bishop, about half the teenagers had social media. Not much to do with social media not that many people use it.

 

[Topppps]

Well, I dont believe those witnesses are real, never have and never will. JMO.
Certainly not confirmed by any means when these witnesses have yet to physically materialize. I would come forward as a witness because Karlie deserves at least this much.
If these witnesses were legit and gave a hoot about Karlie then why dont we see them interviewed on tv like most witnesses? Why must they remain anonymous? Why would they feel their privacy is more important than to bring peace to this family by coming forward and confirming what Melissa and MCSO are claiming. Shut the speculation up once and for all... I think this is where lines started getting blurred and deception set in for me. A wooder? Who confirmed that one? SM? Or did the wooder hang out all day waiting to be interviewed by LE who didnt arrive until late in the afternoon/early evening? Sorry but i cant believe it, i just dont find it plausible.
And were talking about a very desolate area, a small neighborhood that had several vacant properties, which means its less likely to spot a child walking down the street when its still dark outside, early morning hours on a Saturday... One witness, maybe, but 3, not buying what they are selling. MOO.

Police had dogs though that confirmed the sighting by scent to the corner of Highway 6 and white mountain estates road? I guess you think the SM is responsible? I just think someone picked her up at that intersection sexually assaulted and killed her. The fact that the scent disappeared right at Highway 6 tells me someone she knew picked her up there and it was.probably planned between her and the friend. She looks like Avril Lavigne which makes her a very high risk out there in the middle of nowhere.

Someone almost tried to attack my mom 55 female over by east bishop until they saw I was with her 3 guys in a car. Bishop is not that safe. As far as why they haven't found the body. The Fossett plane crash in Mammoth they didnt hardly any of his body because the animals got to it in the matter of weeks.

 

[AverageOpie]

Karlie did have an Instagram with 16 posts and over 800 followers. I’d say that’s on par with many kids her age. My cousin is the same age and is on social media pretty much daily, but doesn’t post very often. They use it to see what others are up to and to share and communicate with their friends. Heck, that’s pretty much what I do with it now. It’s also a trend now to go back through your profile and delete a majority of your posts and only leave a handful of favorites.

 

[Roxxi3535]

I lived in for 5 years Bishop, about half the teenagers had social media. Not much to do with social media not that many people use it.

Well, @Topppps, new member, looks like youre here to specifically address me.
I doubt that the teens in Bishop are any different than the average teen living on planet earth. Small town does not mean that the youth residing in it prefer prehistotic entertainment over technology, it simply means they live in a small town. If social media is just not a big deal over in Bishop then why did Melissa resort to broadcasting her lies via FB Live? Where there is a computer or a cell phone, there is social media interaction. Where there is a person vouching for SM there is a great chance you are being told lies. IMO.
I have since learned of Karlies Social Media Profiles, and many of her friends as well. I no longer stand by my older post that you have quoted. I was kindly informed by members here of her insta and snapchat.
What i do find most baffling is that the two witnesses living near the Guses who claimed to want to remain anonymous out of fear of harassment have now decided they wouldnt mind that their identity be revealed. Could it be a coincidence that both witness properties are for sale or recently closed a pending sale, in other words, they have long since moved away? Coincidence or another lie? Surely just because they have moved doesnt mean theyre free and clear of strangers harassing them because most of that happens online and not at ones doorstep. Anyone can find you if they know your name, so why are the witness names suddenly made public? I know why, and it is clear that you do too.
Most importantly, that witness, the 78 year old man in the jacuzzi, well he didnt live at that property as the las vegas review journal indicated, but his son did. The 78 year old lives in Bishop. I admire his immaculate vision all the way from the next town over.
A whole lot of unnecessary lies have been told. I can only wonder why?
Why does SM get to lie so much without anyone of importance actually noticing and doing something about it? I mean, she was exempt from being thoroughly investigated since day one and everyone knows when someone disappears the first people considered suspects are their loved ones, but this didnt apply to Melissa or the standards of the investigating sheriffs dept as made obvious by SM publicly telling LE she loved them as she blew them a kiss over FB Live. This kind of behavior is alarming. Observing it firsthand, feels like Ive personally entered the Twilight Zone.
You say I believe SM is responsible and i say you are right, i know she is responsible, there is plenty of human error to blame for that. IMO, of course. You claim Bishop has its share of dangerous attackers and Im not opposed to that, SM is looking like one of them. Again, IMO.

 

[Topppps]

Well, @Topppps, new member, looks like youre here to specifically address me.
I doubt that the teens in Bishop are any different than the average teen living on planet earth. Small town does not mean that the youth residing in it prefer prehistotic entertainment over technology, it simply means they live in a small town. If social media is just not a big deal over in Bishop then why did Melissa resort to broadcasting her lies via FB Live? Where there is a computer or a cell phone, there is social media interaction. Where there is a person vouching for SM there is a great chance you are being told lies. IMO.
I have since learned of Karlies Social Media Profiles, and many of her friends as well. I no longer stand by my older post that you have quoted. I was kindly informed by members here of her insta and snapchat.
What i do find most baffling is that the two witnesses living near the Guses who claimed to want to remain anonymous out of fear of harassment have now decided they wouldnt mind that their identity be revealed. Could it be a coincidence that both witness properties are for sale or recently closed a pending sale, in other words, they have long since moved away? Coincidence or another lie? Surely just because they have moved doesnt mean theyre free and clear of strangers harassing them because most of that happens online and not at ones doorstep. Anyone can find you if they know your name, so why are the witness names suddenly made public? I know why, and it is clear that you do too.
Most importantly, that witness, the 78 year old man in the jacuzzi, well he didnt live at that property as the las vegas review journal indicated, but his son did. The 78 year old lives in Bishop. I admire his immaculate vision all the way from the next town over.
A whole lot of unnecessary lies have been told. I can only wonder why?
Why does SM get to lie so much without anyone of importance actually noticing and doing something about it? I mean, she was exempt from being thoroughly investigated since day one and everyone knows when someone disappears the first people considered suspects are their loved ones, but this didnt apply to Melissa or the standards of the investigating sheriffs dept as made obvious by SM publicly telling LE she loved them as she blew them a kiss over FB Live. This kind of behavior is alarming. Observing it firsthand, feels like Ive personally entered the Twilight Zone.
You say I believe SM is responsible and i say you are right, i know she is responsible, there is plenty of human error to blame for that. IMO, of course. You claim Bishop has its share of dangerous attackers and Im not opposed to that, SM is looking like one of them. Again, IMO.

You have really good posts thanks for them. I'm mostly addressing you because your posts are logical and you seem to be trying to get to the bottom of this while most others in this thread are not. The problem I have with your theory is that ok the witnesses could be wrong or lying but what about the dogs?

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Seems the dogs traced sent to Highway 6 and you would have to believe that the witnesses are lying/mistaken and the dogs were wrong and the police were deliberately sabotaging the investigation. It's a possibility sure, I don't think it's a big possibility, what would the step mothers motive be? She hates Karlie? Kids in Bishop don't stay for long, there's an absence of 19-28 year olds there. Not much work, only a small community college that is very crappy with mostly online Micky Mouse classes, Karlie would almost certainly be gone in 2 years anyway. Occam's razor is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least amount of assumptions is usually correct.

I think there's several possibilities:

1. Her biological mother picked her up at highway 6 and hiding her. Theory that was going on when Karlie first disappeared.

2. A friend or her boyfriend picked her up and ran away or the friend ended up abducting her or she ran away.

3. She was abducted by a stranger.

4. The step mother and/or father killed her. The family has been very untruthful and seems to know more than what they are leading on.

I heard her letter from Dad looked like weirdest letter, like a killer something about his letter gave my mom said the letter creeps her out been looking for it really bad writing. Interesting case. I personally think she planned to meet someone at highway and pick her up, don't think it was a stranger because the dogs couldn't follow the scent further and it would be too much of a coincidence for her to be abducted right at that intersection. She's also very attractive makes me think she was abducted and probably by someone she knew.

 

[Topppps]

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This is White Mountain Estates. Eddy was their neighbor not sure you mean by "next town over" it's a pretty small community and it's perfectly plausible the LE Eddy did see her.

 

[Roxxi3535]

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This is White Mountain Estates. Eddy was their neighbor not sure you mean by "next town over" it's a pretty small community and it's perfectly plausible the LE Eddy did see her.

I know White Mountain Estates and all of its residents so much i couldve lived there myself. No need for the tutorial, im familiar with the location.
A huge misconception with Mr. Eddy is that there are two of them. I know exactly where both of them live and the one who is claiming to be the witness does not live in the Guses neighborhood. The article that disclosed his identity indicated that he was 78 years old but the Eddy living on Ponderosa is in his 50's and no longer lives there either. And Mr. Eddy seems confused of his profession in that article, retired sheriff, now retired cop... Theres a huge difference between the two and he cant be both. My guess is he was never actually interviewed or maybe he suffers from alzheimers or dementia forgetting his age, profession and home address, thats a pretty huge chunk of misinformation that cannot be accepted as a factual witness account. Its easy to debunk, a small child could do it without much effort.

 

[insearchoflight]

Bringing forward a few quotes from articles regarding the witnesses:

Now two witnesses have confirmed to the Las Vegas Review-Journal that on the morning of Oct. 13, 2018, Karlie walked by herself toward the highway holding a piece of paper.

“I know her,” said Kenneth Dutton, 49, who lived around the corner. “I saw her.”
A year later, still no answers to California teen’s disappearance

According to the Sheriff:
Three witnesses say they saw her walking near her home the morning she disappeared, according to Sheriff Braun.

The first witness saw her on Ponderosa. The second spotted her on White Mountain Estates, west of Ponderosa. The third sighting was near Highway 6 and White Mountain Estates.

"We're pretty confident that she walked away from the house that morning because people saw her," said Braun told News 4 in a previous interview. "We have three people who saw her." Mono Sheriff tip line ringing after Karlie Guse's disappearance featured on Dr. Phil Show

 

[Roxxi3535]

Bringing forward a few quotes from articles regarding the witnesses:

Now two witnesses have confirmed to the Las Vegas Review-Journal that on the morning of Oct. 13, 2018, Karlie walked by herself toward the highway holding a piece of paper.

“I know her,” said Kenneth Dutton, 49, who lived around the corner. “I saw her.”
A year later, still no answers to California teen’s disappearance

Also no longer lives in the neighborhood. For witnesses so fearful to release their identity, they sure had a sudden change of heart.
And this Las Vegas Review Journal is partnered with DDL Moore of mytruecrime aka American Crime Journal. Not exactly a notable group of journalists. You surely wont find Dateline or other news media writing these articles. Just Doug Kari and Damion Moore.

 

[insearchoflight]

Also no longer lives in the neighborhood. For witnesses so fearful to release their identity, they sure had a sudden change of heart.
And this Las Vegas Review Journal is partnered with DDL Moore of mytruecrime aka American Crime Journal. Not exactly a notable group of journalists. You surely wont find Dateline or other news media writing these articles. Just Doug Kari and Damion Moore.

To be fair, it is a quote from Mono County Sheriff Ingrid Braun in the article and I don’t think they made that up. I have read in several places that LE says the witness sightings are credible. I’m just bringing forward factual information here. LE states they believe that she did in fact walk away from her home. Doesn’t mean they are 100% correct, but they have publicly stated that’s what they believe happened.