CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018 #2

[bwt42]

Can anyone think of a case where the caregiver told so many lies and ended up not being responsible? I can't.

Also, does anyone have a link to the story where SM stated she was in bed with Karlie, looked over saw Karlie with her eyes open then went back to sleep. For some reason, this hit me as being the truth and it freaked me out bad. IYKWIM? I have looked and can't find the link.

i apologize for the messy post and bad grammar. I am on the road and stopped in to catch up on this thread.

Impossible to answer because we only hear about the cases where the caregiver is guilty. jmo

 

[bwt42]

So far we have only identified 3 lies/errors/mistakes. I don't see any of them as being part of a cover up.

 

[happyday]

Can anyone think of a case where the caregiver told so many lies and ended up not being responsible? I can't.

Also, does anyone have a link to the story where SM stated she was in bed with Karlie, looked over saw Karlie with her eyes open then went back to sleep. For some reason, this hit me as being the truth and it freaked me out bad. IYKWIM? I have looked and can't find the link.

i apologize for the messy post and bad grammar. I am on the road and stopped in to catch up on this thread.

This is what I keep coming back to with this case. Lies.

I remember when Karlie first went missing that was the one thing we on this thread were suspicious of. That she said she checked on all the kids at 5:45 am & went back to sleep. What? Just didn’t ring true and we were all like, “no.” Then she admits she lied about that. And then other things.

 

[bwt42]

They both are supposedly saying where the phone was found. SM says kitchen counter. BF says by Karlie’s bed. Who knows?

No scenario makes perfect sense in this case. Every theory has something wrong with it. But alas here we are and no Karlie

I don't understand this. What does found mean? The only thing that makes sense is that they discovered the phone together. What importance would there be for either one to lie about it?

 

[SuziQ]

Impossible to answer because we only hear about the cases where the caregiver is guilty. jmo

Or the argument could be made that only guilty people lie.

 

[SuziQ]

So far we have only identified 3 lies/errors/mistakes. I don't see any of them as being part of a cover up.

But isn't the definition of lying to hide the truth?

 

[SuziQ]

This is what I keep coming back to with this case. Lies.

I remember when Karlie first went missing that was the one thing we on this thread were suspicious of. That she said she checked on all the kids at 5:45 am & went back to sleep. What? Just didn’t ring true and we were all like, “no.” Then she admits she lied about that. And then other things.

BBM. It is definitely what keeps me coming back.

 

[happyday]

So far we have only identified 3 lies/errors/mistakes. I don't see any of them as being part of a cover up.

IMO three lies is a lot when we’re talking about a missing person.

A completely made up story = LIE in my book, not an “error” or a “mistake.” I don’t know what happened to Karlie, but I do know the person who saw her last has been caught lying about the circumstances. Why? Why do people usually lie?

 

[bwt42]

I am not convinced these three untruths were told to cover up a crime. What significance would they have?

 

[bwt42]

IMO three lies is a lot when we’re talking about a missing person.

A completely made up story = LIE in my book, not an “error” or a “mistake.” I don’t know what happened to Karlie, but I do know the person who saw her last has been caught lying about the circumstances. Why? Why do people usually lie?

Not because they killed someone. jmo

 

[happyday]

I am not convinced these three untruths were told to cover up a crime. What significance would they have?

Well that’s exactly the question that needs to be answered. People don’t accidentally tell lies. Lies are told for a reason.[/QUOTE]

 

[PixieStix]

Here is detailed information about what SM admittedly lied about that:

The next morning, around 5:45 a.m., Melissa said she went through her usual routine of opening the kids’ doors and saying good morning to them. She told Dateline she saw Karlie in her bed at that time. Melissa said she then went back to sleep for a little bit. But when she woke up a little bit later and opened Karlie’s door again, Karlie was nowhere to be found.

“I went back into our bedroom and I said [to Zachary], ‘Honey, she’s not here.’ And he said, ‘What do you mean she’s not here?’” Melissa said. “I said, ‘She’s gone. She’s not in her room. She’s not outside. She’s not in the backyard. She’s not anywhere.’”

“Melissa, you told NBC, the next morning that at 5:45 a.m., you did your usual routine of opening up the kids’ doors, saying good morning, getting them ready for school -- that sort of thing. Did you – she was still in bed at that time. Did you go back and lay down?” Dr. Phil asked Melissa on the show which aired on March 25, 2019.

“No. That – the Dateline NBC?” Melissa answered. “Yeah, that was a false story. Because I wasn’t – it was a lie about checking in on Karlie. Because it was in the beginning, and I didn’t know what to say and – I shouldn’t have even done the interview.”

Sixteen-year-old Karlie Gusé missing after vanishing from California home

There is also the Nancy Grace podcast where she admits to lying about the clothing Karlie left the house in: Karlie Guse stepmom admits: I gave the wrong description of my daughter's clothes from Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

There are other details as well, such as the location of Karlie’s cell phone. This is a he said/she said so no link to verify. SM says Karlie’s phone was on kitchen counter but BF says he saw it next to Karlie’s bed that morning.

These are the 3 misinformations I have heard of. But why lie about any of these? Strange for sure

Excellent put together of the known lies/inconsistencies! I'm not sure these lies equate to a cover-up either. I found the response given as to why the information on the dateline story was false to be a reasonably genuine answer. See my explanation below about why people might lie when they feel guilty.

As far as the clothes, she might not have known what KG was wearing or thought she knew and then thought about it more and realized she was wrong. She might have also felt guilt over not knowing what she was wearing and made something up to comfort herself. I'm not really sure.

Also the cell phone inconsistencies. Who cares where the cell phone was. Does it being in the kitchen versus the bedroom equate to a cover-up, IMO not at all.

Can anyone think of a case where the caregiver told so many lies and ended up not being responsible? I can't.

Also, does anyone have a link to the story where SM stated she was in bed with Karlie, looked over saw Karlie with her eyes open then went back to sleep. For some reason, this hit me as being the truth and it freaked me out bad. IYKWIM? I have looked and can't find the link.

i apologize for the messy post and bad grammar. I am on the road and stopped in to catch up on this thread.

I also remember reading this but don't have a link just validating that I remember reading this also.

Or the argument could be made that only guilty people lie.

I think people lie for a lot of reasons and it's not always nefarious. You are right; however, guilty people lie. Guilt can come in a lot of forms that don't involve murder. Guilt over not calling 911, guilt over not actually checking her in the morning right away after the previous intense situation. I can think of many reasons you might lie in that situation to cover the own guilt you might be feeling knowing you probably should have made some different choices and now a dire consequence of someone you love disappearing. Just playing devils advocate for why lies might have been told that perhaps don't involve a crime. I always try to put myself into the situation objectively and see how the actions and steps taken could have happened. It's easy to be on the other side of this looking in and think how we would have reacted differently or not done the same things, but we are not sitting in the emotionally intense situation we are looking at it from our perspective which is from a more logical frame of mind.

 

[Knox]

I am not convinced these three untruths were told to cover up a crime. What significance would they have?

I'll attempt to answer the question from my perspective as a parent.

If my child came home from a party and was acting the way Karlie was described. I would immediately take my child to the nearest emergency room. While waiting for her to be seen, I would be calling numbers in her phone of the other kids at the party and their parents to see; a). what was consumed b). is anyone else's child acting like mine. If I'm not getting the right answers, I'm going to call the cops to see if they can get to the bottom of the situation. I wouldn't care about consequences or who is going to get in trouble, including those for my own child. My first concern would be to get medical attention, not take a video so I can shame her at a later date.

Why would a parent react to such a serious situation in the way the Guse family did? Maybe SM got the answers from Karlie's boyfriend about what was consumed and felt comfortable letting it wear off? Didn't want to get any of the kids in trouble (you have to ask yourself why on this one)?

I know there are different styles of parenting. Some parents like to be friends with their kids (and their friends), the cool parents so to speak. Is that what the case is here? Is that what is missing in the equation? Her lies were simply to cover the lack of what she perceived she "should" have done? Was she herself under the influence of something that night, so she was covering for herself?

I still think there is a possibility Karlie died that night of some sort of drug reaction, in her home.

 

[Knox]

Here is detailed information about what SM admittedly lied about that:

The next morning, around 5:45 a.m., Melissa said she went through her usual routine of opening the kids’ doors and saying good morning to them. She told Dateline she saw Karlie in her bed at that time. Melissa said she then went back to sleep for a little bit. But when she woke up a little bit later and opened Karlie’s door again, Karlie was nowhere to be found.

“I went back into our bedroom and I said [to Zachary], ‘Honey, she’s not here.’ And he said, ‘What do you mean she’s not here?’” Melissa said. “I said, ‘She’s gone. She’s not in her room. She’s not outside. She’s not in the backyard. She’s not anywhere.’”

“Melissa, you told NBC, the next morning that at 5:45 a.m., you did your usual routine of opening up the kids’ doors, saying good morning, getting them ready for school -- that sort of thing. Did you – she was still in bed at that time. Did you go back and lay down?” Dr. Phil asked Melissa on the show which aired on March 25, 2019.

“No. That – the Dateline NBC?” Melissa answered. “Yeah, that was a false story. Because I wasn’t – it was a lie about checking in on Karlie. Because it was in the beginning, and I didn’t know what to say and – I shouldn’t have even done the interview.”

Sixteen-year-old Karlie Gusé missing after vanishing from California home

There is also the Nancy Grace podcast where she admits to lying about the clothing Karlie left the house in: Karlie Guse stepmom admits: I gave the wrong description of my daughter's clothes from Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

There are other details as well, such as the location of Karlie’s cell phone. This is a he said/she said so no link to verify. SM says Karlie’s phone was on kitchen counter but BF says he saw it next to Karlie’s bed that morning.

These are the 3 misinformations I have heard of. But why lie about any of these? Strange for sure

Was there something about the video she took of Karlie on her cell phone that was an untruth? I can't remember.

 

[PixieStix]

I'll attempt to answer the question from my perspective as a parent.

If my child came home from a party and was acting the way Karlie was described. I would immediately take my child to the nearest emergency room. While waiting for her to be seen, I would be calling numbers in her phone of the other kids at the party and their parents to see; a). what was consumed b). is anyone else's child acting like mine. If I'm not getting the right answers, I'm going to call the cops to see if they can get to the bottom of the situation. I wouldn't care about consequences or who is going to get in trouble, including those for my own child. My first concern would be to get medical attention, not take a video so I can shame her at a later date.

Why would a parent react to such a serious situation in the way the Guse family did? Maybe SM got the answers from Karlie's boyfriend about what was consumed and felt comfortable letting it wear off? Didn't want to get any of the kids in trouble (you have to ask yourself why on this one)?

I know there are different styles of parenting. Some parents like to be friends with their kids (and their friends), the cool parents so to speak. Is that what the case is here? Is that what is missing in the equation? Her lies were simply to cover the lack of what she perceived she "should" have done? Was she herself under the influence of something that night, so she was covering for herself?

I still think there is a possibility Karlie died that night of some sort of drug reaction, in her home.

I have thought a lot about this as well and I am also a parent. I think if it were my child I would personally know they were not just stoned on pot and would have also have brought them in. That being said I have a lot of experience and background and know the signs to look for that would clue me into that fact.

I think it's very possible they really just thought she was stoned and it would wear off. The fact that they took the audio recording to show her the next day how she was acting makes sense that they didn't think she had ingested anything else. I don't know what their personal experience is with drugs or the education they have that would give them a sense this was more than that. If they just thought she was on pot and it would wear off it might have sounded ridiculous to take her to the ER for just that and thought she would be better in the morning.

I agree about some of the lies involving checking on her and possibly what she was or was not wearing could have been trying to cover the fact that Karlie should have been brought to the hospital. I feel truly awful, people make mistakes and hindsight is always 20/20.

I haven't ruled out your last statement but with all the scent dogs and everything else that was done pretty much right away I just feel she would have been found. Those dogs if brought to the house which I assume they would probably would have detected a deceased person.

 

[happyday]

Her lies were simply to cover the lack of what she perceived she "should" have done?

I’ve always thought this is a good possibility.

The problem is there are enough known lies that it makes it hard not to question everything else.

 

[Knox]

I have thought a lot about this as well and I am also a parent. I think if it were my child I would personally know they were not just stoned on pot and would have also have brought them in. That being said I have a lot of experience and background and know the signs to look for that would clue me into that fact.

I think it's very possible they really just thought she was stoned and it would wear off. The fact that they took the audio recording to show her the next day how she was acting makes sense that they didn't think she had ingested anything else. I don't know what their personal experience is with drugs or the education they have that would give them a sense this was more than that. If they just thought she was on pot and it would wear off it might have sounded ridiculous to take her to the ER for just that and thought she would be better in the morning.

I agree about some of the lies involving checking on her and possibly what she was or was not wearing could have been trying to cover the fact that Karlie should have been brought to the hospital. I feel truly awful, people make mistakes and hindsight is always 20/20.

I haven't ruled out your last statement but with all the scent dogs and everything else that was done pretty much right away I just feel she would have been found. Those dogs if brought to the house which I assume they would probably would have detected a deceased person.

Thanks for your thoughtful post. I have no special experience or background with the effects of drugs, just common sense. Which would be ringing alarm bells if my kid were acting paranoid/delusional after "only smoking pot". I don't think any parent in modern day north america would think that behavior is a reaction to plain ole MJ. Just MOO

 

[momrids6]

Afraid this is another Hailey Dunn. I hope LE is still digging, watching and waiting. Poor Karlie

 

[bwt42]

Was there something about the video she took of Karlie on her cell phone that was an untruth? I can't remember.

Yes. I may be a little off in my recollection. The BM claimed on the Dr Phil show that Karlie asked to call 911 on the tape. After Dr Phil listened to the tape he said Karlie asked if I asked you to call 911 would you. Obviously an untruth. However, I think the BM heard what she wanted to hear. Now if it was the SM some would say another lie. I would call it an understandable mischaracterization.

 

[bwt42]

Thanks for your thoughtful post. I have no special experience or background with the effects of drugs, just common sense. Which would be ringing alarm bells if my kid were acting paranoid/delusional after "only smoking pot". I don't think any parent in modern day north america would think that behavior is a reaction to plain ole MJ. Just MOO

I don't think the SM did either. That's why she kept texting the boyfriend to find out what she took. jmo