CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018 #2

[jenn83]

#3 in post 559

 

[PixieStix]

#3 in post 559

I think that is a hard no. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest that in MSM. We are already tiptoeing around some of the things we are discussing but only because a lot of the information was in MSM.

 

[jenn83]

I think that is a hard no. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest that in MSM. We are already tiptoeing around some of the things we are discussing but only because a lot of the information was in MSM.

Ok thanks.

 

[bwt42]

I think that is a hard no. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest that in MSM. We are already tiptoeing around some of the things we are discussing but only because a lot of the information was in MSM.

I don't think there is anything in msm to suggest anything other than Karlie walked to the highway and posters have blamed the SM. jmo

 

[PixieStix]

I don't think there is anything in msm to suggest anything other than Karlie walked to the highway and posters have blamed the SM. jmo

I try hard not to lock myself into a box of thinking one way or another in these types of cases that the circumstances are truly bizarre. I think it's likely with the known facts of the case that Karlie walked towards the highway and disappeared too. However, because there are so many strange inconsistencies with stories surrounding what happened, I think it warrants examining all possible angles at least within the confines of the TOS

 

[AverageOpie]

If you close yourself off to all possibilities without being able to rule them out one by one with actual evidence, you’re going to miss a lot and ignore things that don’t fit the narrative you have in your mind. Like you said, PixieStix, best to not lock ourselves into a box.

 

[bwt42]

If you close yourself off to all possibilities without being able to rule them out one by one with actual evidence, you’re going to miss a lot and ignore things that don’t fit the narrative you have in your mind. Like you said, PixieStix, best to not lock ourselves into a box.

My point was if we can't pursue the theory that the BM boyfriend was involved because his involvement wasn't mentioned in MSM how can we pursue the SM involvement because her involvement hasn't been mentioned either. Unless the fact she was with Karlie is enough to warrant the exploration of her involvement.

 

[PixieStix]

My point was if we can't pursue the theory that the BM boyfriend was involved because his involvement wasn't mentioned in MSM how can we pursue the SM involvement because her involvement hasn't been mentioned either. Unless the fact she was with Karlie is enough to warrant the exploration of her involvement.

Exploring the angle you are speaking of compared to the SM and BD angle isn't really comparable. To my knowledge, I have read nothing about the theory you are referring to in MSM. The SM and dad are crucial to the situation and narrative as they were there. The facts surrounding the case primarily involve statements they have made, and both have spoken out publically, such as the Dr. Phil show, that in and of itself makes it something we can discuss to an extent without violating TOS. The MSM has pointed out and brought attention to some of the inconsistencies and lies told at the beginning of the investigation. While the MSM is not pointing fingers, I believe the deviations from the truth and lies can be discussed from the angle of why those inconsistencies might have happened in the first place.

To me, there is a way to tactfully explore all possibilities without vilifying certain persons or directly calling people out. Because we don't have the evidence one way or another as to what actually happened, I think lots of possibilities are on the table for discussion as long as we don't violate TOS. MOO

 

[jenn83]

My point was if we can't pursue the theory that the BM boyfriend was involved because his involvement wasn't mentioned in MSM how can we pursue the SM involvement because her involvement hasn't been mentioned either. Unless the fact she was with Karlie is enough to warrant the exploration of her involvement.

How can you keep making excuses for SM? Her involvement is at the least being there when everything happened. At the least.

 

[SAMS]

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[Wowno17]

IMO

This girl smoked marijuana and had a trip into psychosis. All of her behaviour points to this.

I believe she left the house as the step mother says, what happened after?

Either an accident or IMO stranger abduction.

 

[MrRooster1911]

IMO

This girl smoked marijuana and had a trip into psychosis. All of her behaviour points to this.

I believe she left the house as the step mother says, what happened after?

Either an accident or IMO stranger abduction.

You're not really saying anything new. The more attention this case gets, obviously, the better, but at this point, we're retreading the most cursory information surrounding the case.

To reiterate, the only suspects (people we suspect) at this point are the aforementioned Six Psychopaths (no confirmation if they've been investigated, but probably have), her birth mother and her boyfriend, her birth father and his wife, a trucker-serial killer, or just some random schmo. The trucker serial-killer/random schmo seem most likely, considering all known facts.

What has been logically ruled out: she's hiding somewhere, she died of dehydration and no one found her body for some unknown reason (she hid her own body before dying, coyotes ate it or something stupid like that).

The only reason we can suspect her SM: she lied a few times, possibly out of guilt. Begging Melissa to call 911 is not something Karlie did, nor did she cry out for her birth mother.

The only reason we can suspect her BM: her boyfriend was moving furniture and drove on the same road around the same time Karlie disappeared. He knew what Karlie looked like. I have no idea if this guy has a criminal record or if he's been accused of any misconduct—there's no evidence he's anything other than a normal guy who never creeped on anyone.

Serial killing truck driver: they exist. The FBI has duly noted their existence. It's been said this is the most common occupation for serial killers. Indeed, Samuel Little, who has one of the highest death tolls of any serial killer to date, was a trucker. Karlie disappeared near a major highway.

Six Psychopaths: sex offenders always reoffend. Always. They are notorious recidivists. Some of these guys were violent rapists who used force and intimidation to molest children. A vulnerable, young and beautiful girl like Karlie would be a prime target for any one of them. More than 2 spent at least 7 years in prison, during which time they could, through excessive consumption, develop bizarre sadistic sexual fantasies like Ted Bundy and Lawrence Bittaker did. It's easy to see how prison time and subsequent poor treatment by people outside of prison could lead to an escalation of their violent sexual behavior.

Random schmo: This would be the most hopeless suspect, because it would be one whose identity we have no way of obtaining. To his credit, John Douglas came up with a lot of good psychological observations, although he was mostly full of crap. One of the good ones was that violent offenders who get away with their violent crimes have a tendency to reoffend. That's why I entered this thread in the first place. That video, I truly believe, will reveal something far worse than a domestic dispute. I hope some of you shared it with people who knew Karlie. The first people we have to look at in cases of abduction are those who commit similar crimes regularly, and particularly those who commit similar crimes in California.

 

[insearchoflight]

I actually thinking wandering into desert and dying of dehydration/the elements is the most logical. Of course we’d think she would have been found given there are not a ton of places to hide and they were out with equipment fairly quickly. But it can happen, bodies can be missed. My opinion only here.

 

[MrRooster1911]

I actually thinking wandering into desert and dying of dehydration/the elements is the most logical. Of course we’d think she would have been found given there are not a ton of places to hide and they were out with equipment fairly quickly. But it can happen, bodies can be missed. My opinion only here.

I only know of that poor girl who was found in a drainage pipe feet away from her car. The detectives in that case obviously didn't give a , which marks them as quite different from the authorities in this case. Karlie has received a lot of attention.

 

[bwt42]

How can you keep making excuses for SM? Her involvement is at the least being there when everything happened. At the least.

I don't know if the SM had any involvement but I will not attack her without any evidence. If you consider that making excuses for her your free to make that judgement. No problem.

 

[happyday]

I actually thinking wandering into desert and dying of dehydration/the elements is the most logical. Of course we’d think she would have been found given there are not a ton of places to hide and they were out with equipment fairly quickly. But it can happen, bodies can be missed. My opinion only here.

It really is the most logical explanation. Especially if she was intoxicated on something and distressed. Even if there aren’t many hiding places, if she were in a bad mental state she might have looked for and found the weirdest hiding place and succumbed to either whatever drug she was on and/or dehydration/elements. It would be surprising she hasn’t been found but not unheard of.

 

[Topppps]

It really is the most logical explanation. Especially if she was intoxicated on something and distressed. Even if there aren’t many hiding places, if she were in a bad mental state she might have looked for and found the weirdest hiding place and succumbed to either whatever drug she was on and/or dehydration/elements. It would be surprising she hasn’t been found but not unheard of.

You would think she would wander in a random direction though not towards a main intersection that is used to get back to Bishop then immediately disappear right there if her intention was to wander. That fact that both the pooches and eye witnesses lost track of her at highway 6 tells me she was picked up not lost.

 

[insearchoflight]

You would think she would wander in a random direction though not towards a main intersection that is used to get back to Bishop then immediately disappear right there if her intention was to wander. That fact that both the pooches and eye witnesses lost track of her at highway 6 tells me she was picked up not lost.

I don’t think we have verified information about the dogs. We know there were dogs used but do you know where the information came from that they lost the scent at HWY 6? As for the eye witness stopping there, could be because that’s where the houses stop, no one out there to see her after. Just speculating

 

[AverageOpie]

Stranger kidnappings account for only 24 percent of abductions where the relationship is known (49 percent by family, 27 percent by acquaintances).

“In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2011.”

Expanded Homicide Data

I just find the odds to be so low for a stranger abduction. Yes, it’s possible it’s one of the outliers, BUT for it to be a stranger, at 6:30AM, in the middle of the desert, just as she reached the highway, with so many strange circumstances leading up to it... it just seems like everything is stacked up against that theory. I don’t want to rule it out, but there’s problems with it.

ALTHOUGH-

“In 80 percent of abductions by strangers, the first contact between the child and the abductor occurs within a quarter mile of the child's home.

Most potential abductors grab their victims on the street or try to lure them into their vehicles.

About 74 percent of the victims of nonfamily child abduction are girls.”

Child Abduction Statistics for Parents

 

[momrids6]

Rate of sex offender recidivism 3.5 %.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2017/03/09/the-big-lie-about-sex-offenders/

Filicide stats: Analysis: 32 years of U.S. filicide arrests

The circumstances of the disappearance is only recorded about half the time, but in cases where they are, only 0.1 percent are reported as having been abducted by a stranger. The vast majority, typically more than 95 percent, ran away.
Kidnapped children make headlines, but abduction is rare in U.S.