Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #10

[Deleted member 39678]

As for her friend, MOO is she alegedly changed her mind.

I don't recall that. JMO.

 

[ItalyReader]

How many slip ups were made by LE in this case?

For example flipping the car before removing it, not wrapping the car before removing it from the water so as to not lose evidence out of open/broken windows, removing/flipping the with the body inside (the position of the body as described in the coroner’s report was after the car was flipped I believe).

Lots of mistakes by LE but my inexpert personal opinion still agrees with the LE findings of accidental.

Again, nothing is black and white: just because LE screwed some things up doesn’t make their final assessment wrong. One can question it and that’s fine, but I’m always hesitant to go down the conspiracy theory path.

 

[customCF]

How many slip ups were made by LE in this case?

1) not finding Kiely after a "thorough" search of Prosser. One would hope LE has the people and skills needed to search a waterway properly and not miss anything

2) dumping potential evidence out of the crv when recovered and risking causing damage to Kiely herself

3) seemingly not wanting to go retrieve items from crv when they were found

Anything i'm missing?

I'm not trying to "bash" or anything like that to LE but am trying to hold some accountability to people that should be accountable.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was 90% sure of what happened the first day. Now I'm 99.9% sure.

In the state of California selling, giving, or providing alcohol to a minor is a misdemeanor. It is punishable by a mandatory $250 fine and/or 24-32 hours of community service.

For someone to be guilty of a more serious crime than that it would need to be established that they intended for her to drive into the lake. I very much doubt that is something that's going to be proven.

I agree. Even prosecuting a misdemeanor means that LE would have to prove who provided alcohol or marijuana to Kiely.

There were probably more than one source for those things at this large party. It's possible that no one knows the actual source and proving it to jury could be impossible. JMO.

 

[RedHaus]

1) not finding Kiely after a "thorough" search of Prosser. One would hope LE has the people and skills needed to search a waterway properly and not miss anything

2) dumping potential evidence out of the crv when recovered and risking causing damage to Kiely herself

3) seemingly not wanting to go retrieve items from crv when they were found

Anything i'm missing?

I'm not trying to "bash" or anything like that to LE but am trying to hold some accountability to people that should be accountable.

Yes. Apparently not knowing about the AlertWildfire Alder Hill and Donner Fire Cams since if they had, one would presume LE would have found KR's car once they got the footage from 8/5-8/6. What still stuns me is that per PCSO FB posts, the Placer County OES was involved as of 8/8 and Placer County Fire as of 8/12 through 8/20. So I would think that between those two agencies on the team, LE's search would have known about fire camera archives. Not knowing is a slip up, IMO.

And once we can discuss the 18 page NCSO's coroner report, we may find more slip ups, IMO.

My 10/6 Post with Citations

 

[Deleted member 39678]

For example flipping the car before removing it, not wrapping the car before removing it from the water so as to not lose evidence out of open/broken windows, removing/flipping the with the body inside (the position of the body as described in the coroner’s report was after the car was flipped I believe).

Lots of mistakes by LE but my inexpert personal opinion still agrees with the LE findings of accidental.

Again, nothing is black and white: just because LE screwed some things up doesn’t make their final assessment wrong. One can question it and that’s fine, but I’m always hesitant to go down the conspiracy theory path.

How do you wrap a car that's underwater? Are you saying that LE could have pulled the car out upside down instead of flipping it onto it's tires? Wouldn't that be difficult to do and cause major damage to the car?

You state that LE made lots of mistakes. I see not wrapping the car and flipping it in your post. That's not much in my opinion. JMO.

 

[customCF]

How do you wrap a car that's underwater? Are you saying that LE could have pulled the car out upside down instead of flipping it onto it's tires? Wouldn't that be difficult to do and cause major damage to the car?

You state that LE made lots of mistakes. I see not wrapping the car and flipping it in your post. That's not much in my opinion. JMO.

BBM
A car can be wrapped by use of recovery airbags, pick vehicle up and push/pull a large net or bag under the vehicle, set vehicle down, finish the wrap, then lift vehicle out of water.

Or a tow truck could pull a vehicle out upside down if it's determined there is little to no risk of damaging what is or what could be evidence.

Pulling a vehicle out on its roof CAN cause a lot of damage depending on condition of bottom of waterway and any obstacles in path.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

1) not finding Kiely after a "thorough" search of Prosser. One would hope LE has the people and skills needed to search a waterway properly and not miss anything

2) dumping potential evidence out of the crv when recovered and risking causing damage to Kiely herself

3) seemingly not wanting to go retrieve items from crv when they were found

Anything i'm missing?

I'm not trying to "bash" or anything like that to LE but am trying to hold some accountability to people that should be accountable.

So not finding Kiely sooner was because the local LE agencies don't have the funding for training and the specialized equipment needed.

I'm not sure what potential evidence was proven to be dumped out of the CR-V and where does damage to Kiely herself happen.

Are you saying LE purposely ignored evidence? I'm not seeing that. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM
A car can be wrapped by use of recovery airbags, pick vehicle up and push/pull a large net or bag under the vehicle, set vehicle down, finish the wrap, then lift vehicle out of water.

Or a tow truck could pull a vehicle out upside down if it's determined there is little to no risk of damaging what is or what could be evidence.

Pulling a vehicle out on its roof CAN cause a lot of damage depending on condition of bottom of waterway and any obstacles in path.

I've never heard of airbags and nets used in a situation like this to prevent things from falling out of a submered car. Can you link that up please? Maybe another funding problem? JMO.

 

[ItalyReader]

How do you wrap a car that's underwater? Are you saying that LE could have pulled the car out upside down instead of flipping it onto it's tires? Wouldn't that be difficult to do and cause major damage to the car?

You state that LE made lots of mistakes. I see not wrapping the car and flipping it in your post. That's not much in my opinion. JMO.

Wrapping a car under water and pulling it out without flipping it are apparently standard procedures for LE. I am very inexpert but learned about this from Duty Ron’s show where both retired detectives were horrified that the car was not wrapped and was flipped before removing it from the water.

They lost evidence through the open windows and then analyzed the car including but not limited to the position of the body after the car was out of the water, right?

 

[ItalyReader]

Wrapping a car under water and pulling it out without flipping it are apparently standard procedures for LE. I am very inexpert but learned about this from Duty Ron’s show where both retired detectives were horrified that the car was not wrapped and was flipped before removing it from the water.

They lost evidence through the open windows and then analyzed the car including but not limited to the position of the body after the car was out of the water, right?

@RANCH - And again, this criticism of LE is coming from someone (me) who is generally VERY pro-LE and who agrees with the LE assessment in this case.

Because nothing is ever black and white!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes. Apparently not knowing about the AlertWildfire Alder Hill and Donner Fire Cams since if they had, one would presume LE would have found KR's car once they got the footage from 8/5-8/6. What still stuns me is that per PCSO FB posts, the Placer County OES was involved as of 8/8 and Placer County Fire as of 8/12 through 8/20. So I would think that between those two agencies on the team, LE's search would have known about fire camera archives. Not knowing is a slip up, IMO.

And once we can discuss the 18 page NCSO's coroner report, we may find more slip ups, IMO.

My 10/6 Post with Citations

Hey, here's one possible slip up that hopefully will be looked into. One. Not lots. Not many or numerous. Thank you. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Wrapping a car under water and pulling it out without flipping it are apparently standard procedures for LE. I am very inexpert but learned about this from Duty Ron’s show where both retired detectives were horrified that the car was not wrapped and was flipped before removing it from the water.

They lost evidence through the open windows and then analyzed the car including but not limited to the position of the body after the car was out of the water, right?

What evidence was lost? Wasn't the position of the body documented before the car was moved by AWP and LE divers? JMO.

 

[customCF]

So not finding Kiely sooner was because the local LE agencies don't have the funding for training and the specialized equipment needed.

I'm not sure what potential evidence was proven to be dumped out of the CR-V and where does damage to Kiely herself happen.

Are you saying LE purposely ignored evidence? I'm not seeing that. JMO

BBM
Most LE seems to have the needed funding to properly train a team in underwater searches, the financials are mostly public record.
potential Evidence being dumped from crv, laptop for one, potentially her phone since there's no record of it being found.

Damage to Kiely herself could have easily happened when rolling the crv over. rollover is a violent situation; large g-forces involved not to me tion the hard sides of suv her body could have "slammed" into.
(just a "what if" example: what would have happened if one of the rear windows broke out and Kiely was partially ejected from the crv? Could've been very very distructive.

I don't mean that LE purposely ignored potential evidence but it almost seems like that's what happened, at least to me.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

@RANCH - And again, this criticism of LE is coming from someone (me) who is generally VERY pro-LE and who agrees with the LE assessment in this case.

Because nothing is ever black and white!

So you are basing your criticism against LE based on a YouTube video. I haven't watched that video. Link it up and I'll take a look at it.

 

[customCF]

I've never heard of airbags and nets used in a situation like this to prevent things from falling out of a submered car. Can you link that up please? Maybe another funding problem? JMO.

one link for airbag useage

Public Safety Underwater Vehicle Recovery Diver

proscubacenter.com

am trying to find a link for "netting" or "wrapping" a vehicle underwater.
It has been posted before in this thread. Maybe someone else can help post it.
It's used in other countries and has been used before here in the US.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM
Most LE seems to have the needed funding to properly train a team in underwater searches, the financials are mostly public record.
potential Evidence being dumped from crv, laptop for one, potentially her phone since there's no record of it being found.

Damage to Kiely herself could have easily happened when rolling the crv over. rollover is a violent situation; large g-forces involved not to me tion the hard sides of suv her body could have "slammed" into.
(just a "what if" example: what would have happened if one of the rear windows broke out and Kiely was partially ejected from the crv? Could've been very very distructive.

I don't mean that LE purposely ignored potential evidence but it almost seems like that's what happened, at least to me.

MOO

The alleged laptop is not verified. I always wondered why a 16 year old girl would put a "MILF PATROL" decal on her laptop. But who knows.

No record of the phone being found. Does that mean LE is hiding something from the phone? Sorry I'm not into conspiracy theories.

Are you an expert in vehicle recovery? Please link up the large G-forces involved in rolling over Kiely's car.

I'm seeing things a lot different than you. JMO.

Web sleuth claims to find crucial evidence in reservoir belonging to dead teen

A WEB sleuth has claimed to have found Kiely Rodni’s laptop and belongings in Prosser Creek Reservoir where her car and body were discovered. The 16-year-old went missing around 12.30 am on A…

www.the-sun.com

 

[ItalyReader]

And again, this criticism of LE is coming from someone (me) who is generally VERY pro-LE and who agrees with the LE assessment in this case.

Because nothing is ever black and white!

So you are basing your criticism against LE based on a YouTube video. I haven't watched that video. Link it up and I'll take a look at it.

Yes that is correct
I don’t know if I can put YouTube links here.
Again, I criticize everything including LE and I’m also in agreement with LE.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

one link for airbag useage

Public Safety Underwater Vehicle Recovery Diver

proscubacenter.com

am trying to find a link for "netting" or "wrapping" a vehicle underwater.
It has been posted before in this thread. Maybe someone else can help post it.
It's used in other countries and has been used before here in the US.

Thanks for the link. Now we need to see if LE lost key evidence during their vehicle recovery in this case. JMO.

 

[RedHaus]

How do you wrap a car that's underwater? Are you saying that LE could have pulled the car out upside down instead of flipping it onto it's tires? Wouldn't that be difficult to do and cause major damage to the car?

You state that LE made lots of mistakes. I see not wrapping the car and flipping it in your post. That's not much in my opinion. JMO.

CAUTION: THIS NIH ARTICLE HAS GRAPHIC IMAGES

Investigation of Drowning Deaths: A Practical Review, Academy of Forensic Pathology, 3/2018​

"Every effort should be made to determine the location of each victim within the vehicle. It is important to remember that a submerged vehicle with occupants is a crime scene, so diligence must be taken to preserve evidence inside the vehicle. Documentation of interior and exterior evidence, such as damage, should be done prior to removing the vehicle from the water. This is because in many cases the vehicle will be damaged in the recovery process. Having divers close any windows prior to removal from the water will help eliminate evidence loss."

This article, which I posted previously, may also help us learn about the NIH standards for autopsy of drowning deaths.