Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #10

[Deleted member 39678]

Prosser Reservoir is an impoundment. There was drawdown taking place which would definitely effect water movement.

The water movement in a reservoir during a drawdown is under the surface.

I posted my findings up thread.

The link I see attached on the previous post only has atmospheric conditions.


Since it’s not a natural lake artificial manipulation is the source of fluctuations.

Current fishing report: low levels:
Prosser Reservoir Fish Report - Prosser Reservoir - Prosser Reservoir is starting to get very low - September 22, 2022

Here is a graph that shows the significant seasonal changes in water levels of the reservoir:

PROSSER C RES NR TRUCKEE CA

Prossner Reservoir; click on details tab to see its dimensions and hydrology:

Bureau of Reclamation

Currently:

National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service


The man made PR covers 704 acres; 73 feet maximum depth:
Prosser Creek Reservoir (CA) nautical chart and water depth map


All imo

You say the water movement in a reservoir during a draw down is under the surface. How far down from the surface is the water movement and is it strong enough to significantly affect a sinking car?

 

[Ixchel13]

Prosser Reservoir is an impoundment. There was drawdown taking place which would definitely effect water movement.

The water movement in a reservoir during a drawdown is under the surface.

I posted my findings up thread.

The link I see attached on the previous post only has atmospheric conditions.


Since it’s not a natural lake artificial manipulation is the source of fluctuations.

Current fishing report: low levels:
Prosser Reservoir Fish Report - Prosser Reservoir - Prosser Reservoir is starting to get very low - September 22, 2022

Here is a graph that shows the significant seasonal changes in water levels of the reservoir:

PROSSER C RES NR TRUCKEE CA

Prossner Reservoir; click on details tab to see its dimensions and hydrology:

Bureau of Reclamation

Currently:

National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service


The man made PR covers 704 acres; 73 feet maximum depth:
Prosser Creek Reservoir (CA) nautical chart and water depth map


All imo

Jade please correct me if this is not true, but I believe there is an early draw down from April to August for ice and snow melt. and then from August to November they draw down and that water goes to Reno and surrounding areas, so a continuous draw down from April til November. The water contract is confusing for a layperson. TIA.

ETA that the under current you point out due to draw down and the fog reported on by Curiosa rolling in at departure time are 2 factors that really weigh in.

 

[jackornaught]

About the road KR had to drive on to get into Prosser:

There are really two side roads she could have taken to get there... One road is bumpy as heck. The other is not a lot better, its passable, but sketchy. The road out of the park is paved. None of the side roads are, and the road she was on doesn't really go through unless you are four wheeling. In the dark, is a whole new world. I'm not ruling anything out, but I'm just saying its a really odd choice to go if you are trying to get out of the lake area back to Hwy 89.

Plus, I don't even think that road really goes to the other side. If I remember correctly, there is a dry creek bed there.

 

[Curiosa20]

@Ixchel13 -
I think we need to look at the early media interviews and press conferences to see the way the background scenario was manipulated. Everyone was led to believe in stranger danger the first few days.
All that was walked back as soon as the FBI and CHP got involved, going door to door, maybe requesting lie detector tests.
Has only 1 person been officially cleared?

 

[Ixchel13]

About the road KR had to drive on to get into Prosser:

There are really two side roads she could have taken to get there... One road is bumpy as heck. The other is not a lot better, its passable, but sketchy. The road out of the park is paved. None of the side roads are, and the road she was on doesn't really go through unless you are four wheeling. In the dark, is a whole new world. I'm not ruling anything out, but I'm just saying its a really odd choice to go if you are trying to get out of the lake area back to Hwy 89.

Plus, I don't even think that road really goes to the other side. If I remember correctly, there is a dry creek bed there.

good points about the roads. I think there have been many discussions on these threads about possible tire damage, many SM sites talked about this and awp too. No one seems to know, or if they do, they are not saying, whether KRs tire, or tires, were flat.

If a tire was flat, I dont have an opinion about that, the bumpy road could explain why. Was not aware there was another road down towards the beach, but that makes sense as an alternative partial route.

 

[Ixchel13]

@Ixchel13 -
I think we need to look at the early media interviews and press conferences to see the way the background scenario was manipulated. Everyone was led to believe in stranger danger the first few days.
All that was walked back as soon as the FBI and CHP got involved, going door to door, maybe requesting lie detector tests.
Has only 1 person been officially cleared?

yep.

 

[Jade]

You say the water movement in a reservoir during a draw down is under the surface. How far down from the surface is the water movement and is it strong enough to significantly affect a sinking car?

I don't know enough to say it could or couldn't disturb the vehicle once it has come to rest.

It could cause movement of floatables in and about the vehicle, imo.

I’m hoping someone smarter can answer where in the water column the movement would be with that topography, at that rate, at that location.

Water is powerful.

Where’s an engineer when you need one!

All imo

 

[Jade]

Jade please correct me if this is not true, but I believe there is an early draw down from April to August for ice and snow melt. and then from August to November they draw down and that water goes to Reno and surrounding areas, so a continuous draw down from April til November. The water contract is confusing for a layperson. TIA.

ETA that the under current you point out due to draw down and the fog reported on by Curiosa rolling in at departure time are 2 factors that really weigh in.

That's my understanding also.

 

[Ixchel13]

That's my understanding also.

and the early drawdown ends on Aug. 6 and the other one begins on Aug.7. I found that to be a weird coincidence. When the Aug. 7 one begins, about 2 or 3 days later the guy who writes the fishing report was actually fishing there at prosser and at the end of his report he wrote, please bring our Kiely home. He discussed water level and wrote that the trout were at that time mostly by the dam where it stays deep.
Not sure if we want to bring all of that fishing stuff up again, Jade just posted the present fishing report included in the drawdown report and I guess prosser remains a very good place to catch a trout, and they move around the lake according to depth changes, near the dam being the best place with a fluctuating depth of approx 76 feet.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

and the early drawdown ends on Aug. 6 and the other one begins on Aug.7. I found that to be a weird coincidence. When the Aug. 7 one begins, about 2 or 3 days later the guy who writes the fishing report was actually fishing there at prosser and at the end of his report he wrote, please bring our Kiely home. He discussed water level and wrote that the trout were at that time mostly by the dam where it stays deep.
Not sure if we want to bring all of that fishing stuff up again, Jade just posted the present fishing report included in the drawdown report and I guess prosser remains a very good place to catch a trout, and they move around the lake according to depth changes, near the dam being the best place with a fluctuating depth of approx 76 feet.

How low did Prosser reservoir get during the early draw down you mention that runs from April to August 2022?

 

[RedHaus]

…There were search dogs present and at least 100 members of law enforcement visible, including members of the FBI, who initially focused their attention on Campsite 4.... Where is Campground 4?

rs&b(in red)bm

@Curiosa20, of all the great finds you made last night, this is the most fascinating to me as it appears to be new information. Why would the FBI initially focus their attention on Campsite #4 at Prosser Campground? (1)

I wonder if they had some information that KR or others had reserved this campsite for the night of 8/5-6. This may tie to SS saying: "...Kiely was planning to spend the night at the campground." (2) Campsite #4 is NOT at the party location.

Here are some images I've compiled with sources for everyone's information. I wonder if KR did 'crash' at site #4? IMO.

Sources:
(1) Missing Kiely Rodni: Massive search as friends reveal teen's last known footsteps in possible abduction case | Fox News
(2) Where is Kiely Rodni? Timeline of Truckee teen's disappearance from campground
(3) Map of Prosser Campground Sites (normal and reduced): Prosser Family, Tahoe National Forest - Recreation.gov
(4) Image of Prosser Campground #4: Prosser - Campsite Photos, Camping Info & Reservations

 

[Curiosa20]

rs&b(in red)bm

@Curiosa20, of all the great finds you made last night, this is the most fascinating to me as it appears to be new information. Why would the FBI initially focus their attention on Campsite #4 at Prosser Campground? (1)

I wonder if they had some information that KR or others had reserved this campsite for the night of 8/5-6. This may tie to SS saying: "...Kiely was planning to spend the night at the campground." (2) Campsite #4 is NOT at the party location.

Here are some images I've compiled with sources for everyone's information. I wonder if KR did 'crash' at site #4? IMO.

View attachment 369972
Sources:
(1) Missing Kiely Rodni: Massive search as friends reveal teen's last known footsteps in possible abduction case | Fox News
(2) Where is Kiely Rodni? Timeline of Truckee teen's disappearance from campground
(3) Map of Prosser Campground Sites (normal and reduced): Prosser Family, Tahoe National Forest - Recreation.gov
(4) Image of Prosser Campground #4: Prosser - Campsite Photos, Camping Info & Reservations

Excellent! Thank you!

 

[sfinkz]

rs&b(in red)bm

@Curiosa20, of all the great finds you made last night, this is the most fascinating to me as it appears to be new information. Why would the FBI initially focus their attention on Campsite #4 at Prosser Campground? (1)

I wonder if they had some information that KR or others had reserved this campsite for the night of 8/5-6. This may tie to SS saying: "...Kiely was planning to spend the night at the campground." (2) Campsite #4 is NOT at the party location.

Here are some images I've compiled with sources for everyone's information. I wonder if KR did 'crash' at site #4? IMO.

Very intriguing. Why the initial focus of site #4?
1) Possibly the site of camp host who had a roster of campers with reservations
2) The site of the, afaik, lone person reporting the early morning ruckus across the reservoir. IIRC, this individual witnessed the ‘mass exodus’
3) The site of a post-party, IMO, the most likely.
In this case, the camping party would either;
a) known about the party beforehand and
reserved the site in advance as a place to
crash, a savvy move requiring forethought, as
all 29 sites reserved for this weekend. Eight
weeks ago, height of summer season, scant
space available, filling months before, or
b) occupied by a group, with no advance
knowledge of that evening’s extracurricular
activity, either
i) creating their own noise unrelated to
The Sanctuary party, or
ii) heard the commotion across the water,
decided to join in the fun and carried on
later back at site #4

 

[Ixchel13]

Looks like campground #4 has the closest bathrooms to the party so a lot of back and forth and that is where the kids would see each other too.

 

[IDK]

You say the water movement in a reservoir during a draw down is under the surface. How far down from the surface is the water movement and is it strong enough to significantly affect a sinking car?

Great point. Without that information, the water movement does not seem really relevant to how KR ended up in the water. Maybe more relevant to where it came to rest after the event?
From your experience, do you think this type of information will be included in the report from the Multidisciplinary Accident Investigation Team?

 

[Ixchel13]

Glad you asked, IDK, the undercurrent may have helped her car along, and thus helped pull it down to flip more quickly so as to land on the edge of the shallow ledge instead of going a few more feet and then down 6O feet. Not pulling it as such, but absolutely no resistance, or even a relatively placid state. The lake water was slowly being pulled towards the dam.

LE does not need any of this info on currents, depths and such as it was just a tool to form theories here on WS. This is also true as far as sleuthing an owners manual for her car is important. LE already had that info from the get go, but WE need it to theorize. AFA what they may or may not have concluded already, we have no idea if our theories really have any validity. MOO

So no, I do not think they will include any of our research in their final
report, but we can always hope. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Great point. Without that information, the water movement does not seem really relevant to how KR ended up in the water. Maybe more relevant to where it came to rest after the event?
From your experience, do you think this type of information will be included in the report from the Multidisciplinary Accident Investigation Team?

I believe the CHP's MAIT team will look at all relevant evidence in order to support their conclusions with the facts.

If they feel that water currents are a factor then yes, they will analyze that data. If not then they probably wont expend much effort on it. JMO.

 

[Ixchel13]

I believe the CHP's MAIT team will look at all relevant evidence in order to support their conclusions with the facts.

If they feel that water currents are a factor then yes, they will analyze that data. If not then they probably wont expend much effort on it. JMO.

haha we were posting the same thing but you said it more positively, will take note.

 

[Curiosa20]

rs&b(in red)bm

@Curiosa20, of all the great finds you made last night, this is the most fascinating to me as it appears to be new information. Why would the FBI initially focus their attention on Campsite #4 at Prosser Campground? (1)

I wonder if they had some information that KR or others had reserved this campsite for the night of 8/5-6. This may tie to SS saying: "...Kiely was planning to spend the night at the campground." (2) Campsite #4 is NOT at the party location.

Here are some images I've compiled with sources for everyone's information. I wonder if KR did 'crash' at site #4? IMO.

View attachment 369972
Sources:
(1) Missing Kiely Rodni: Massive search as friends reveal teen's last known footsteps in possible abduction case | Fox News
(2) Where is Kiely Rodni? Timeline of Truckee teen's disappearance from campground
(3) Map of Prosser Campground Sites (normal and reduced): Prosser Family, Tahoe National Forest - Recreation.gov
(4) Image of Prosser Campground #4: Prosser - Campsite Photos, Camping Info & Reservations

Do you have the road/trails maps handy? How would the travel to the Sanctuary happen from #4?
I found a more detailed one last week, I’ll look to see if I saved it.

 

[Ixchel13]

I noticed that on the camground map,to access the other other bathrooms in the camground to the right of the party you would have to go through the beach area.