Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

[getthefax]

Maybe she was looking for this shortcut road back home - maybe @Truckeeite can tell us whether this is possible. Did some people leave the party on that road with the white line?

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I think that would have been the shortest way back toward her home, yeah. That said, probably depends on which way the car pulled out of parking.

TBH, I think there is a terrible chance this girl could have had an accident anywhere along her road home, if she was alone in the dark on those crazy roads, late at night, impaired or not. @Truckeeite is correct, the roads are nuts, and she would have had to follow an absolutely crazy route to get home (I mapped the route from the campground to Lost Trail Lodge and it is pretty perilous).

Maybe she was messing with her phone/GPS trying to get directions out of there and was not looking at the road for a few seconds.

 

[otto]

The only thing is though that the party area seems to be a smoother area but in the dirt in terms of where they were parked the beach is a different texture, the roads are similar to where they were parked at the party. So being familliar with the place she would drive slow and if she was driving slow then she would be cognizant of terrain. Plus if she was aware of this then she would also hear rhe water of the resevoir.

Was she looking for this route? If so, then it's possible that she got her directions wrong, was expecting to be driving near the water, might have expected to drive through shallow water, so when she hit a steep slope and went into the water, she might have driven in thinking she was crossing a shallow creek?

 

[SpideySense]

That video doesn't show the roads going down to the shore. The side road is not paved.

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Oh, I see what you’re saying. At 2:39 in the video, that’s when the PI gets back onto the paved road. His location at that point, when he says “hi” to the other driver, is (39.3789953, -120.1672433).

 

[Lilibet]

Okay guys. I'm going to put something out there because it all still doesn't add up to me.

I drove out there again because it's just nagging at me. Before I was only on the paved road. Now that she didn't go off the boat ramp and was in another area entirely, I went out on the dirt roads instead, where the kids were that night.

And this is something I haven't heard mentioned yet and it's important.

We have heard people hypothesizing that she might have been going 30-40 mph.

I have a solid 4WD vehicle. This is what people need to understand. Those dirt roads are brutal. If you went 30-40 mph out there, your car would be destroyed. I didn't know and going about 5 mph, some things in my car got broken on the drive.

There are massive bumps and ruts in the road. Think speed bumps on steroids. Your car is lurching around even at slow speeds.

The beach is slightly smoother but it simply makes zero sense that she'd be driving fast. And there is plenty of time after exiting the very narrow brush fringed dirt roads to recognize you're on the beach. There is a steeper dropoff right toward the water otherwise it's a very gradual slope, very bumpy, and very obviously not the dirt road home.

I'm still having a tough time believing she drove herself into the water. Mostly I wanted people to understand how insanely rough the roads are in that area. And super narrow as well.

I’m probably misunderstanding something, but are you saying that the dirt road(s) you were on are the ones the party-goers drove on to get to and from the party location? If so, I can’t imagine kids messing up their cars to get there! Or do you mean that the road you took was the only road Keily could have taken to get to the beach where her car went in the water? There is no other road to that location? Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Seattle1]

Another question is... do the partiers in that area (or any area) all decide to leave at the same time (if flashing lights aren't deciding for them)? Is this normal behavior? It certainly isn't from my past experience. We all stayed till the wee hours and 12:30 was "just getting started". I'm not liking the vibe I get from this. It's not feeling very accidental to me but I could be wrong.

^^RSBM

IMO, the group exodus may have to do with both the estimated time the camp host is known to spot patrol the location, the rules/regulations of Prosser Family Campground (Tahoe Nat'l Forest), and/or the USDA Forest Service (federal regulations).

Researching the Prosser Family Campground site for both single-family camp reservations or a Large Group Facility, the check-in/out rules vary on whether or not the guests are there under "FF" (first come) or registered for specific dates or extended dates.

However, what seems clear is that the "Prosser Large Group" location is ready to accommodate up to 50 people and 10 vehicles -- nowhere near the 300 persons as estimated. (I'm not aware of a "venue" in the Park applicable or whether or not the teens held a one-day reservation).

On the other hand, family campsites are 6 people and 2 dogs maximum per site, and quiet hours 10 PM - 6 AM.

Pursuant to 16 USC 551 and 36 CFR 261.50 (a) and (b), and to provide for public safety, the following acts are prohibited on National Forest System lands within the State of California.

Possession of an alcoholic beverage in the following situations:

a. In an open container in a motor vehicle or off-highway vehicle or

b. By any person under 21 years of age.

A violation of these prohibitions is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or both. 16 USC 551 and 18 USC 3559, 3571, and 3581.

Prosser Family, Tahoe National Forest - Recreation.gov

Explore Prosser Family in Tahoe National Forest, California with Recreation.gov. Prosser Family Campground is located on the picturesque Prosser Reservoir within the Tahoe National Forest, 10 minutes north of Truckee. Visitors enjoy the area

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ETA: Additional restrictions for CA teens.

Nevada County, CA cites curfew established for any minor under age 18...

Every person under the age of eighteen years who loiters in or about any public street or other public place or any place open to the public in the unincorporated territory of the county between the hours of 10:30 p.m., and the time of 6:00 a.m. of the following day, when not accompanied by his parent, guardian or other adult person having the legal care, custody or control of such person, or spouse of such person over twenty-one years of age, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

A violation of this section or any provision thereof is punishable by a fine not exceed five hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding six months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

County Codes | Nevada County, CA

All Nevada County Codes are available online, search for and read or print county codes.

library.qcode.us

CA Minors DL Restrictions:

Once you have your provisional DL, you may drive alone, as long as you do not have any collisions or traffic violations on your driving record. During the first 12 months after you are licensed, you cannot drive between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. and cannot transport passengers under 20 years old, unless accompanied by a California-licensed parent or guardian, a California-licensed driver 25 years old or older, or a licensed or certified driving instructor.

When you become 18 years old, the “provisional” part of your DL ends. You may keep your provisional photo DL or pay a fee for a duplicate DL without the word “provisional.”

See the link for exceptions.

Special Section - Minors - California DMV

Minors’ Permit Requirements A minor is a person under 18 years old. Minors must have their applications (for a DL or any change of DL class) signed by their parent(s) or legal guardian(s). If both parents/guardians have joint custody, both must sign. Note: Minors may not work as a driver for pay...

www.dmv.ca.gov

 

[otto]

Were cars parked on the shore?
What route did she take to get to the party?
Did she arrive on route 1 and want to leave on route 2, or vice versa?

 

[wary]

@Truckeeite, are there drought conditions in the area right now? There's drought all over the world, including agriculture areas in the USA.

I'm curious whether the water levels were lower than normal on August 8.

Well, I hope I’m getting your point. It looks as though Truckee has almost the same climate as Southern California—where every July and August is a drought. Less than a half an inch of rainfall on the average, in August, a little more than a quarter of an inch in July.

So I’d think, though deferring to people living locally, that you could expect the water level to keep dropping a little, until the rainy season started up.

Weather averages Truckee, California

Climate Data Truckee. Monthly temperature, precipitation and climate graph.

www.usclimatedata.com

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree. I don't recall how long it takes to get from there back to town but at least 1am I'm thinking (30 min?). That's just... not sounding right that they ALL had the same curfew. Excuse me for not reading every single post on this thread but I recall something about ~400 people LE interviewed. I was like "Dang....".

Was the party that large? If so, I REALLY doubt all ~400 of them had a 1am or so curfew. Something prompted them to all get away from there and I'm really doubting it was a curfew. It feels like something went down and they all headed for the exit.

Some of the people interviewed may have been with Kiely earlier in the day and not at the party. Initially LE had to investigate a possible abduction so they may have interviewed her peers or others close to the family.

There were younger high schoolers at the party who may have had an earlier curfew. People may have left to go to another party. Or maybe it was getting cold. Usually when the crowd thins out and people start leaving, others follow. When we had parties in the woods, we all followed each other out for safety reasons. I don't think a large group of people leaving at once points to anything unusual.



In the beginning LE was frustrated that a few parents were discouraging kids to come forward, but they said that issue was resolved. They haven't made any statements about witnesses not cooperating. They only seemed frustrated that nobody saw Kiely leave. Most of her friends had already left by then, it seems. I wish Kiely had been able to follow that line of cars out of the park.

 

[otto]

Well, I hope I’m getting your point. It looks as though Truckee has almost the same climate as Southern California—where every July and August is a drought. Less than a half an inch of rainfall on the average, in August, a little more than a quarter of an inch in July.

Weather averages Truckee, California

Climate Data Truckee. Monthly temperature, precipitation and climate graph.

www.usclimatedata.com

There is a global drought this year, but I suppose it doesn't matter whether the water levels were higher last year in August. This year the map shows low water levels and roads that were not visible on older maps.

2022 Map

Route 1 is under water on this older map.

 

[getthefax]

I may be dense (it’s pretty late), but I’m failing to find the source for a mass/group exodus from the party. We know LE didn’t show up, and I’ve not seen anyone say everyone bailed at exactly the same time.

@megs1477 put together this amazing timeline of the events of the night. None of the timelines i looked at mention the mass exodus that we have all heard happened.
Did that actually take place, and if so, can we substantiate that as fact?

The timeline @megs1477 put together is below:

Found Deceased - CA - Kiely Rodni, 16, missing from a large party @ Prosser Family Campground, car not found, Truckee, 6 Aug 2022

 

[SpideySense]

Were cars parked on the shore?
What route did she take to get to the party?
Did she arrive on route 1 and want to leave on route 2, or vice versa?

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Route 1 on your map is not possible. I know it looks like a road and Google marks it like one, but it’s across mud flats. Route 2 is the way in and back out.

 

[SpideySense]

I may be dense (it’s pretty late), but I’m failing to find the source for a mass/group exodus from the party. We know LE didn’t show up, and I’ve not seen anyone say everyone bailed at exactly the same time.

@megs1477 put together this amazing timeline of the events of the night. None of the timelines i looked at mention the mass exodus that we have all heard happened.
Did that actually take place, and if so, can we substantiate that as fact?

The timeline @megs1477 put together is below:

Found Deceased - CA - Kiely Rodni, 16, missing from a large party @ Prosser Family Campground, car not found, Truckee, 6 Aug 2022

I think it’s just something that’s snowballing here right now. Some nearby campers at the campground reported they noticed a lot of cars leaving the party around 12-12:30. Somehow, that’s now turned into a “mass exodus” and 400 people leaving at once. That’s never how I understood it, but people are going to believe what they want to believe.

 

[MsBetsy]

"it looked like a continuation of the road" - exactly. and in that case, it is absolutely understandable

This does not look like a continuation of the road It is a very distinct and total change in terrain. You go from extremely narrow dirt roads which are the only way in and out of this forsaken place to wide open beach.

Well, I was talking about when I first saw the water about 20 yards away. If she was a couple hundred yards from the water when she first got on the beach she may not have seen the water until she was almost in it. If she was as impaired as her friend SS and Mags claimed, she may not have even realized where she was. I hope she didn't have time to panic or even think of what was happening. It would have been terrifying.

 

[otto]

Route 1 on your map is not possible. I know it looks like a road and Google marks it like one, but it’s across mud flats. Route 2 is the way in and back out.

In older maps, it is not possible, but it looks like a road from people driving the same route when zoomed in.

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[otto]

Well, I was talking about when I first saw the water about 20 yards away. If she was a couple hundred yards from the water when she first got on the beach she may not have seen the water until she was almost in it. If she was as impaired as her friend SS and Mags claimed, she may not have even realized where she was. I hope she didn't have time to panic or even think of what was happening. It would have been terrifying.

I think that, when she drove onto the beach, she was somewhere between 55 and 100 yards from the water. If the water was 5 feet higher, the water would be 25 feet closer. 8 yards, so between 47 and 92 yards of driving on the beach before sloping down near the water.

Where it says 20m on the illustration, you can see the change in water depth by the colour of the water. There's a slope or drop very near the shore, other parts of the shore are more gradual.

 

[SpideySense]

I agree. I don't recall how long it takes to get from there back to town but at least 1am I'm thinking (30 min?). That's just... not sounding right that they ALL had the same curfew. Excuse me for not reading every single post on this thread but I recall something about ~400 people LE interviewed. I was like "Dang....".

Was the party that large? If so, I REALLY doubt all ~400 of them had a 1am or so curfew. Something prompted them to all get away from there and I'm really doubting it was a curfew. It feels like something went down and they all headed for the exit.

Here’s a video of the drive from the dirt roads around the party area, all the way to Truckee/I-80. It was done by the PI working with the family, I believe. The same guy who did the drone footage. It takes just under 10 minutes to make the drive.

 

[otto]

Here’s a video of the drive from the dirt roads around the party area, all the way to Truckee/I-80. It was done by the PI working with the family, I believe. The same guy who did the drone footage. It takes just under 10 minutes to make the drive.

Thank you! This is where I think he is standing taking the video. Road looks dusty, narrow and might have some sharp rocks?

 

[otto]

Ignore everything I said about routes. The water levels are high and there is only one route in and out of the party.

Image credit to @megs1477 for the aerial photo of the car recovery.

I suppose cars were parked on the party road, as well as towards the reservoir. Knowing where she parked would help with figuring out how she planned to drive home and how she might have gotten turned around and into the reservoir.

 

[5W's]

Was she looking for this route? If so, then it's possible that she got her directions wrong, was expecting to be driving near the water, might have expected to drive through shallow water, so when she hit a steep slope and went into the water, she might have driven in thinking she was crossing a shallow creek?

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I don't think there are any shallow creeks in the area. I could be wrong. But I don't think that would be likely either because she would for sure stay on the roads. Plus I would think the County would block off an area which could flood or water levels be higher in case of rain and one driving on it would just be dangerous because of the potential of the water. So, not likely IMO.

 

[SpideySense]

I do not have a dashcam and wouldn't have dared take my hands off the wheel at any point in this drive. Beyond which, I saw what I thought was footage of this road a few days ago - and it in no way gave any idea what it's like. It's like anytime non-3D photos can be so deceptive. It's not even close to a normal dirt road. A few times I was scared my car was getting damaged. I regretted getting on it at all as I'm not in a position to pay for unnecessary repairs. Thus why it has a sign that says "not recommended" for cars at the place where it forks off from the asphalt.

I just posted video of Steve Fischer filming his drive on the dirt road from the party location back to the paved road. Are those the same roads you’re describing?