Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

[Sillybilly]

Unfortunately, I don't know how to do great editing in Preview yet. Here's a screenshot of the map from Prosser Family Campground (satellite version)

OT but just a quick hint. Not sure what your specific issue is, but I was stumped for a while with the preview mode. For the benefit of others who may not know:

That "preview" icon is like a toggle switch. Toggle to see the preview (but you can't edit in that mode); then toggle again that takes you out of preview mode and allows you to edit. Then toggle again for preview, etc.

Hope that helps.

 

[Vern]

Did the lake water really recede that much in just 2 weeks?!?

Because if it hadn't receded at all, the car would've been found much more than 55ft off shore.....more like 155ft!

If the water really was that high, then the car drifted/floated a lot after sinking or maybe she went in at a high speed that added to the forward motion?

MOO.

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6 posts prior to yours shows the lake during the search (from above aerial shot). It rather seems that the lake has actually filled up since the screen shot of the google map image in your current post here.

 

[getthefax]

Did you look at the map? There is a different road that I did not take, as I've now noted a couple of times. It goes from where the parking at the party apparently was to the road that I was on and some have reported that it's a smoother road.

Remember, when he recorded that video, she had not yet been found in the lake. He was illustrating the most direct route to her house, not the road to the beach/lake. He still would have driven on part of the road I'm talking about but the first portion he drove may be smoother.

I illustrated on the map exactly where I drove. That is also the road to the beach/lake where she likely would have been driving.

Edit: so I went back and looked again. He definitely was on a portion of what I drove but you can see the reservoir is off in the distance, he was not close to the lake. That said, I don't think the video conveys the actual experience even in the portion where he drove the same part that I did. Maybe because I had stuff in the back of my car that was crashing around it was all the more noticeable. There were huge ruts and bumps. Many parts of the road were extremely narrow. Wish I had a dash cam but I don't. All I can say is what I said before. His car does rock back and forth sometimes. His video did not prepare me for the actual experience.

I guess it's also to say that for me the drive was stressful. I actually had plants in the back of the car that were knocked all over the place and significantly damaged by this drive. In order to drive it safely, I had to be very focused and really pay attention to each huge bump or rut that was appearing in front of me. That meant going fast was not an option.

It's easy to imagine someone dozing off on the freeway or even speeding into a lake on a paved road that looks like everything else they were driving until the last second. It's much harder for me to imagine such a scenario when the road is knocking you back and forth and demanding attention at each moment.

I totally get that the drive was stressful—and much more so than you hd planned. I can also imagine it being sad/somewhat emotional, given the somber circumstances. It is absolutely a tough place to be driving around, especially now. I didn’t mean to be insensitive about your driving experiences—I’m sorry if I came across that way.

I have been attempting to put forth (through the maps I marked and posted) the route I think she would have driven from the party parking area to the water, and didn’t zoom in and analyze any roads I didn’t think pertained to those routes. I very much appreciate that you drove around and told us what you saw. I frequent that area a couple times a year at most, so don’t have current, first hand knowledge from this summer season.

 

[getthefax]

Google maps date on the bottom is not the date of the image. If I look at my family's "Ranch" property image it say's "2022 Data" but it's from last year. I can tell because I can see the solar panel's I put up and where a neighbor cut brush and put in a long section of fence. It doesn't show a road extension that we did in January of this year.

In my opinion it's hard to say when the Google Maps image of Prosser Lake was taken. JMO.

Google Earth satellite images show Le parked in the beach, so I inferred that the shots I used for my drawings were pretty recent—I don’t know how useful maps is, but the satellite images are recent. I am going to ask a geographer friend if he can let me know how to acquire the most accurate real time images. More soon…

 

[Gemmie]

Re: the roped off squarish area:

Visible on Steve's video here beginning around 2:53.

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I could be wrong about this but around 1:40 it looks like that area was used to do (make?) donuts. Lots of circular tire tracks. And you can see one at about 1:41 in the upper left corner where someone got real close to the edge. OR it was actually IN the water (by inches in depth) since you can see the water mark, dampness of sand, and deep ruts where that one car drove in a swerve. I wouldn't be at all surprised if making donuts was part of the party fun.

With all that said... perhaps she was out having fun away from people and she accidentally ended up in the water? I'm still putting my money on it not being accidental, but did want to throw that out there since it did come to mind.

 

[Look4theHelpers]

RSBM
Yes, @Look4theHelpers, I think that cordoned off area on the beach is very intriguing as is the fact (per LE's statements) that the water was 20-25 feet up shore. So as you say @Truckeeite, whatever is there was at the water's edge 8/6.

I think the orange cones are just to protect the space from any of the recovery apparatus on the beach 8/21. But that taped area sure looks like the size of a car. It could be tire tracks that may match KR's car or perhaps there is a mark indicating the car suddenly rolled at that location into the water (e.g. if the driver took a hard evasive turn).

Who knows... but clearly LE thinks something might be there worth investigating further - possibly the entry point!

@RedHaus thank you for your input! Do you think it's possible Kiely's vehicle could have made it to the same resting spot if that squared off area was the entry point?

 

[Speculaytor]

So Kiely's phone goes dead 12:33, presumably when it enters the water with her, at the same time witnesses see a trail of cars leaving the party. How did Kiely go the wrong way when there were so many cars leaving in a trail out. Why didn't she just follow them, it is the exact same time?

 

[RedHaus]

I find it interesting that roped off area is that far from where it appears her car entered the water. If there was some sort of evidence, I'd THINK it would have been closer to where the car went in, not that far away. I can't come up with anything that could have happened in a place that far off (not like it's miles but you know what I'm saying).

Well, the public does not know the answers to two key questions and maybe they are related and maybe they are not...

• cause of apparent damage to KR's car, visible in 8/21 images in MSM
• cordoned off area on beach, visible in 8/21 images in MSM

Of course the CHP and MAIT are the accident investigation experts!!!

But in the meantime, @Beekarina has explored ideas (see below) and I have some too...

1. Possibly a collision while kids were driving around on the beach for fun (e.g. was KR's car sideswiped on left side?)
2. Indentation in sand indicating a car may have rolled, braked / turned hard, drove there... (e.g. did KR's car roll?)
3. Attempts to exit the car by KR or anyone else that may have been in the car (e.g. broke window; kick to the door?)
4. Contents of KR's car may have washed up or come out the car somehow (e.g. during a roll, if she sat on beach, etc.)
5. Evidence of illegal activity on the beach (e.g. drug paraphernalia, bottles of alcohol - if there of course on 8/6)
6. Extrication of the car could have caused damage (e.g. driver window shattered, side mirror torn off, etc.)
7. Evidence on the beach of leaking vehicle fluid (e.g. engine oil, transmission oil, radiator fluid, etc.)
etc.

I was looking at the damage to Kiely's SUV again, and the dents are puzzling. When I was wondering, "Hey could someone else have hit her, smacked the mirror and dented her car?" And "Did she hit something?"

RSBM

The dent on her door bulges outward. I think her vehicle might have been on its side in the lake?

RSBM

I was curious what would cause an outward dent. It doesn't seem likely to me that someone hit her car on that side, at least.
So maybe it is damage from retrieving her vehicle?

Evidence of a collison?

ALL IMO!
ETA: #7 and fix a typo!

 

[Warwick7]

I find it interesting that roped off area is that far from where it appears her car entered the water. If there was some sort of evidence, I'd THINK it would have been closer to where the car went in, not that far away. I can't come up with anything that could have happened in a place that far off (not like it's miles but you know what I'm saying).

THANK YOU! This is where my mind is going.

If she had been driving south then south east along the shore to head home I can see where oil, piece of tailpipe, alcohol paraphernalia would be left behind.

But dropping south after that last turn how in the world could something be left behind? It is too far west of her trajectory.

 

[RedHaus]

@RedHaus thank you for your input! Do you think it's possible Kiely's vehicle could have made it to the same resting spot if that squared off area was the entry point?

Good question.... absolutely no idea!!! But IF KR's car rolled or was side-swiped into the water, it likely had momentum and might have traveled a little ways into the water / down the beach further?? All just pure speculation of course!!!

Any vehicle accident recreation experts amongst us??

 

[Gardenista]

I think we determined it was only 4-5 feet higher but maybe that meant 25 feet less shoreline at the beach where the car was found.

No, that's the water height which translated into 25 feet on the shore. The sheriff explained it.

 

[getthefax]

Edited to add detail about small craft boat launch area


I also want to just point out the general sketchiness of the fact that there’s a very well-traveled, unofficial dirt path/road that heads straight to the water where that fishtail fork in the road is. It is used as a small craft launching area (for folks who don’t need the paved “launch” ramp. I have a crap sense of direction and could easily see myself thinking I’d made the bend and would be going right, but turned right too soon and ended up in the water.

 

[K_i_w_i]

I've taken some screenshots of the ropped off area on the beach from from this video (10:22 to 10:35)

And then i've taken a screenshot from the drone flyover here (2:51)

I have only estimated the ropped off area (marked in blue) but someone else will probably have more experience in this than me. It does look like there could be tracks or possibly something in the sand but I can't enhance it anymore

 

[Gemmie]

He may have a better off road vehicle than I do. Mine is a standard mid size SUV similar to Kiely's.

That's why I posted the info yesterday because his video in no way prepared me for what it would actually be like to drive there. I also do not know whether he was driving the leg that I didn't take, from the parking area out and if that portion of the road is smoother. But that's not the portion near the lake.

Took me a while to find that video but I wanted it because I could have sworn the guy said he drove from where the party was back to town. He didn't say he was going to the site of the car going in.

I verified that from the post with the vid of Steve Fisher's below. This is what he said "For those that asked me to film a video leaving the campsite, or the party site, not the campsite. (Gemmie's note - He made an error and corrected it there) The party site is just up this road (camera pans to the right to show the Sheriff's tape). <snip> (then pans a little to the left to the reservoir, then a little more to the left for the road leading back to town). He then says "You take a left" (now his car is visable pointing back toward town) "and then I'll get back in my car and just hold the camera while I drive all the way back into town."

That was all said by the 41 second mark so it took less than the first minute of his vid.

He did not film the same road that @Truckeeite took and recounted for us.

OP's post - Found Deceased - CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

Link straight to the video in question from the above post. One less click!:

 

[getthefax]

No, that's the water height which translated into 25 feet on the shore. The sheriff explained it.

Yes, the rise over run would have put the slope, and thus the waterline, about 25’ higher up the beach.

 

[Arkay]

No, that's the water height which translated into 25 feet on the shore. The sheriff explained it.

Yes, the rise over run would have put the slope, and thus the waterline, about 25’ higher up the beach.

And thus, perhaps, all the difference in the world.

A perfect storm of things gone wrong.

IMO

 

[Beekarina]

@RedHaus There is also minor damage to the hood of her car, above the area where a license plate would be, and it looks as though her windshield is also damaged.

The damage to the roof seems like it would be from her car being upside down? It looks black though, but maybe that is just mud?

Also, I have been trying to learn what might cause an outward dent/bulge that size and location on her door, and I did find a few possibilities while searching. I'm just not sure if there is any sort of WS approved source for this kind of thing? Nothing nefarious, all ordinary structural stuff. Interesting, but also probably somewhat opinion. Easy enough to find if others are interested.

I'm really starting to lean to some sort of 4WD accident/mischief on the beach as a solid *possibility* for contributing.

I wonder if people go down there on anything smaller that time night? ATVs? Dirtbikes? Would not need to be another car or truck.

 

[Warwick7]

Well, the public does not know the answers to two key questions and maybe they are related and maybe their not...

• cause of apparent damage to KR's car, visible in 8/21 images in MSM
• cordoned off area on beach, visible in 8/21 images in MSM

Of course the CHP and MAIT are the accident investigation experts!!!

But in the meantime, @Beekarina has explored ideas (see below) and I have some too...

1. Possibly a collision while kids were driving around on the beach for fun (e.g. was KR's car sideswiped on left side?)
2. Indentation in sand indicating a car may have rolled, braked / turned hard, drove there... (e.g. did KR's car roll?)
3. Attempts to exit the car by KR or anyone else that may have been in the car (e.g. broke window; kick to the door?)
4. Contents of KR's car may have washed up or come out the car somehow (e.g. during a roll, if she sat on beach, etc.)
5. Evidence of illegal activity on the beach (e.g. drug paraphernalia, bottles of alcohol - if there of course on 8/6)
6. Extrication of the car could have caused damage (e.g. driver window shattered, side mirror torn off, etc.)
7. Evidence on the beach of leaking vehicle fluid (e.g. engine oil, transmission oil, radiator fluid, etc.)
etc.

RSBM

RSBM


ALL IMO!
ETA: #7

THANK YOU! This is where my mind is going.

If she had been driving south then south east along the shore to head home I can see where oil, piece of tailpipe, alcohol paraphernalia would be left behind.

But dropping south after that last turn how in the world could something be left behind? It is too far west of her trajectory.

@RedHaus these are good ideas on what could be in the yellow box.

Since the water level was so much higher anything from her car or from inside her car may have washed ashore. Brilliant! This, I definitely can reason on.

 

[RedHaus]

@RedHaus There is also minor damage to the hood of her car, above the area where a license plate would be, and it looks as though her windshield is also damaged.

The damage to the roof seems like it would be from her car being upside down? It looks black though, but maybe that is just mud?

Also, I have been trying to learn what might cause an outward dent/bulge that size and location on her door, and I did find a few possibilities while searching. I'm just not sure if there is any sort of WS approved source for this kind of thing? Nothing nefarious, all ordinary structural stuff. Interesting, but also probably somewhat opinion. Easy enough to find if others are interested.

I'm really starting to lean to some sort of 4WD accident/mischief on the beach as a solid *possibility* for contributing.

I wonder if people go down there on anything smaller that time night? ATVs? Dirtbikes? Would not need to be another car or truck.

Great observations, @Beekarina. The only thing I can come up with (in my mind) to answer the question BBM in your post, is if someone inside the car when it went into the water tried kicking out the door to open it or to brake the window. The more I look at it the more it looks like a very strong person could have kicked at the door in a frantic effort to survive.

 

[Beekarina]

I've taken some screenshots of the ropped off area on the beach from from this video (10:22 to 10:35)

And then i've taken a screenshot from the drone flyover here (2:51)

I have only estimated the ropped off area (marked in blue) but someone else will probably have more experience in this than me. It does look like there could be tracks or possibly something in the sand but I can't enhance it anymore

Yikes!

Between the yellow and the blue where you have marked, I believe I can see a straight line of tracks right into the water as well....

edited to show you: