Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

[Look4theHelpers]

It's in Preview app on MacBook pro. I was able to figure out how to draw the skinny black line along the road - not seeing how to draw a thicker pretty colored line. At some point, I'll need to do some research to have more effective maps.

@Truckeeite I took a screenshot that shows you what selection to choose to change the thickness of the lines when you're drawing in Preview. Hope that helps!

 

[getthefax]

You have satellite images showing LE at the beach during the recovery? That would be interesting to see. Can you link?

Edited to resize and reattach the pic because it was too large to upload.

Below is a sat image (Google Earth image) that I believe is from the boat launch when they first began searching. I cannot confirm the date it was shot (it says unavailable), but I am assuming this would have been from early in the searc when we know they were focused on the boat launch.

Of course, it could be from any other date that there were what appear to be (MOO) LE personnel and vehicles in the boat ramp and one vehicle in the nearby parking lot.

I cannot 100% substantiate that this image is from that day, but it is a possibility.
I used Google earth to view the area and all surrounds, including the path Kiely would have traveled all the way to her home, but again, you are correct that I can’t state with 100% certainty the date that GE last captured the area.

Now, you might say, if it was from early on in the search, why weren’t there more vehicles looking? By all accounts, there were not legions of folks out there looking for her after the first 2 days early on, at least aas reported by folks out there searching (Steve Fisher addressed this on Twitter but not sure if I am allowed to link to such tweets of his).

I can’t link to Google Earth, but you can download the app or search there to see what I see there.

 

[Gardenista]

I am very curious as to what happens now- if it is a tragic accident (which I believe it was) and the cause of death was related to the accident/water and IF the toxicology reports show alcohol etc, then does the sheriff investigate where the alcohol came from to press charges? Or at least use the publicity from the traction of the search effort to warn teens (and adults) about the consequences of drinking and driving? It’s hard; on one hand you have the family and Kielys privacy and on the other a chance to use it for good. All IMO, but it’ll be interesting to watch what happens in this regard

Wondering the same a la Beach/Murdaugh - criminal charges first with civil after that.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Edited to resize and reattach the pic because it was too large to upload.

Below is a sat image (Google Earth image) that I believe is from the boat launch when they first began searching. I cannot confirm the date it was shot (it says unavailable), but I am assuming this would have been from early in the searc when we know they were focused on the boat launch.

Of course, it could be from any other date that there were what appear to be (MOO) LE personnel and vehicles in the boat ramp and one vehicle in the nearby parking lot.

I cannot 100% substantiate that this image is from that day, but it is a possibility.
I used Google earth to view the area and all surrounds, including the path Kiely would have traveled all the way to her home, but again, you are correct that I can’t state with 100% certainty the date that GE last captured the area.

Now, you might say, if it was from early on in the search, why weren’t there more vehicles looking? By all accounts, there were not legions of folks out there looking for her after the first 2 days early on, at least aas reported by folks out there searching (Steve Fisher addressed this on Twitter but not sure if I am allowed to link to such tweets of his).

I can’t link to Google Earth, but you can download the app or search there to see what I see there.View attachment 361745

I used Google Earth and it gives an imagery date of 10/24/20 with the lake level being really low. I'm having problems with taking a screenshot but here's a link to Google Earth if someone else can take a shot.

Google Earth

earth.google.com

 

[getthefax]

I used Google Earth and it gives an imagery date of 10/24/20 with the lake level being really low. I'm having problems with taking a screenshot but here's a link to Google Earth if someone else can take a shot.

Google Earth

earth.google.com

Ah, same thing happened to me in the first pass—but when I viewed over the boat launch etc, the dates changed to “unavailable.”
Am seeking backup from a geographer friend now; I’ll clarify soon .

 

[franker]

Great observations, @Beekarina. The only thing I can come up with (in my mind) to answer the question BBM in your post, is if someone inside the car when it went into the water tried kicking out the door to open it or to brake the window. The more I look at it the more it looks like a very strong person could have kicked at the door in a frantic effort to survive.

BBM

I guess that is possible but imagine the force it would take for someone in the driver's seat to somehow position themselves and be able to kick with enough force to go through the inner plastic door panel and dent the exterior sheet metal. Seems like it would be easier to operate the door handle.

But in a panic situation something like that is entirely possible I guess.

 

[getthefax]

I used Google Earth and it gives an imagery date of 10/24/20 with the lake level being really low. I'm having problems with taking a screenshot but here's a link to Google Earth if someone else can take a shot.

Google Earth

earth.google.com

Also—I agree the lake level looks really (really!) low. Back soon w/more info on satellite images.

 

[DeDee]

A local, Angele, played at the Truckee radio station on Tuesday. Angele met Kiely when Kiely was 4yo. Angele shares, among other sweet personal facts, that Kiely would sleep with her fiddle. I did, as the host recommended, and did not use a tissue rather, let the tears flow for this precious teenager, Kiely Rodni.

Americana Set w/Angèle 8.23.2022

On Demand – Recent Interviews | Truckee Tahoe Radio

 

[SteveP]

BBM

I guess that is possible but imagine the force it would take for someone in the driver's seat to somehow position themselves and be able to kick with enough force to go through the inner plastic door panel and dent the exterior sheet metal. Seems like it would be easier to operate the door handle.

But in a panic situation something like that is entirely possible I guess.

I cannot speak at all to the ability of Kiely to kick her car door with enough force to dent the exterior sheet metal, but I will never underestimate the ability of a human to do something when adrenaline kicks in. I have seen it, and experienced it once, when I was in an accident with a rollover. JMO

 

[franker]

I cannot speak at all to the ability of Kiely to kick her car door with enough force to dent the exterior sheet metal, but I will never underestimate the ability of a human to do something when adrenaline kicks in. I have seen it, and experienced it once, when I was in an accident with a rollover. JMO

Yeah.

There are documented cases of people turning over cars by themselves.

Beyond the capability of normal human strength.

 

[Bhodie]

Also—I agree the lake level looks really (really!) low. Back soon w/more info on satellite images.

This it quite a difference in water levels

 

[DeDee]

I can't find the article that included her friend pointing out where she had actually parked and then where the kids were partying. But if I remember correctly the road to go out she'd have had to turn right on it to leave the party area. Maybe it's possible in her condition that she forgot she had already made that turn and when she came to the fork, that's when she made the fatal error of turning right? I dunno. Found the video: Teens at California party where Kiely Rodni disappeared asked to share videos and photos

Thank you!

Then, the camera spans to the left and this is what we see. HTH our mapmakers!

 

[Seni]

Great observations, @Beekarina. The only thing I can come up with (in my mind) to answer the question BBM in your post, is if someone inside the car when it went into the water tried kicking out the door to open it or to brake the window. The more I look at it the more it looks like a very strong person could have kicked at the door in a frantic effort to survive.

No Way IMO. We dont know if the car had been managed previously.

 

[RedHaus]

It looks like the side impact bar that is inside the door to protect from an accident; it makes sense there’s damage like that from the impact of hitting water and then sinking and overturning (and then being flipped back over and removed by tow truck) IMO. To be honest, I would actually expect more damage. I have background with cars involved in fatal accidents and police investigations related to it, and in my experience with cars that end up in water all exterior damage is almost always attributed to impact/rocks underwater/removal efforts and the emphasis is put on damage INSIDE to tell the real story (seatbelts/dashes/steering wheels/seats)

Excellent guidance! Thank you, @Bsc87bsc.

 

[OldCop]

It's in Preview app on MacBook pro. I was able to figure out how to draw the skinny black line along the road - not seeing how to draw a thicker pretty colored line. At some point, I'll need to do some research to have more effective maps.

I use Markup on my IPad with an Apple Pencil. I take a screenshot of the area of the map I want to mark and work on that. There is text, arrows, circles, etc as well as different width markers to draw freehand. It’s not slick like Photoshop or something, but it’s quick and easy for the things we do on here. If you don’t have an Apple Pencil you can just draw with your finger.

 

[RickshawFan]

Anything is possible these days but if the timeline is true and KR did call her friend at 12:30am or even a few minutes before that and her phone last pinged at 12:33am, then it seems very unlikely someone was able to commit a murder and then dispose of her inside the vehicle and into the water in 3 to 6 minutes unless it was a quick gunshot which then would make no sense at all.

Besides, are they gonna walk home after all that? They not only have to get there, but if they're in a car they've rolled into a lake, they've got to get outta there.

 

[Gemmie]

Besides, are they gonna walk home after all that? They not only have to get there, but if they're in a car they've rolled into a lake, they've got to get outta there.

Simply ask someone if you could ride in their car. No room? MAKE room. I remember once we had like 10 kids in a SMALL car. Everyone was on top of each other. Like... literally. Where there's a will there's a way. And... it's temporary and gets you where you're going without having to stagger... errr... I mean walk.

In my teen partying days some people that came in one car would leave in another. It happened all the time. You know how you're going to get there and you think you know how you're getting back. It's not always the same ride back as you originally thought. lol It honestly was not a big deal. Partying teens can get quite creative in matters like these.

 

[getthefax]

Okay, so I just went down a two hour rabbit hole with a geographer/remote sensing expert and checked out the Planet and MAXAR satellite imaging tools. He said that the Google Earth images are likely very old, because GE uses very high resolution images, but doesn’t make a lot of passes. So I stand corrected—those images are likely NOT from 8/2022.

I can’t post pictures here because I didn’t pay for the images, so it would be a copyright violation, but even so, the high res satellite tools available do not see into water well enough to make them a practical application. I’d thought that with all the eyes on WS, and possibly some fancy pictures and possibly an evolving AI technology, we might be able to think about better tools for huge, fast searches, but the light wavelengths used by the satellites don’t penetrate the water and it ends up looking black.

That said, we’re going to open up a line of inquiry here for some further study.

Sorry about the misinformation on the date of the image.

Edited for typos.

 

[OldCop]

Okay, so I just went down a two hour rabbit hole with a geographer/remote sensing expert and checked out the Planet and MAXAR tools satellite imaging tools. He said that the Hoogle earth images are likely very old, because Ge uses very high resolution images, but doesn’t make a lot of passes. So I stand corrected—those images are likely NOT from 8/2022.

I can’t post pictures here because I didn’t pay for the images, so it would be a copyright violation, but even so, the high res satellite tools available do not see into water well enough to make them a practical application. I’d thought that with all the eyes on WS, and possibly some fancy pictures and possibly an evolving AI technology, we might be able to think about better tools for huge, fast searches, but the light wavelengths used by the satellites don’t penetrate the water and it ends up looking black.

That said, we’re going to open up a line of inquiry here for some further study.

Sorry about the misinformation on the date of the image.

Thanks for the info, @getthefax.

 

[Truckeeite]

Anything is possible these days but if the timeline is true and KR did call her friend at 12:30am or even a few minutes before that and her phone last pinged at 12:33am, then it seems very unlikely someone was able to commit a murder and then dispose of her inside the vehicle and into the water in 3 to 6 minutes unless it was a quick gunshot which then would make no sense at all.

We don't know if she called that person at 12:36 am. LE didn't confirm that AFAIK. That person pretty easily could have confirmed it with their call history no? any incoming or outgoing call shows up on my call log. It seems like there would have been some way for LE to access Kiely's cell data of incoming and outcoming but I dunno. Hope they found the cell phone. I'm not sure they are releasing many details at all about what they have.

It wouldn't have to be a "murder" anyway. Lots of things could have happened. Even an accident on the beach involving more than one person where witnesses fled when she went into the water. Something could have happened that was covered up.

I wonder if the "confidential info" could have been cell data suggesting that the phone went into water rather than was turned off manually. AWP searched other water bodies in Truckee before going to Prosser.