Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #7

[OldCop]

A lot of people will probably disagree with what I’m about to say. Let me preface it by saying that I think AWP is a wonderful organization which does a phenomenal job.

However, being involved in an active investigation is very different from searching for someone in a cold case, which is what AWP had done prior to becoming involved in Kiely’s case.

We do not know what LE knows or doesn’t know about the night KR disappeared. We don’t know what evidence has been collected. We do know that in parallel investigations like this LE is 1) trying to find the missing person, and 2) trying to find out how or why they disappeared. #2 is extremely important because if it turns out the cause of the disappearance is foul play, they want to have gathered all evidence they can so that they can use it at trial.

AWP are highly trained at what they do. Remember, they started out looking for salvage and became very proficient at finding vehicles under water. However, they are not trained investigators. They are not forensics experts. They are not under oath. They should not be leaking things that have anything to do with the scene of KR’s demise. The should not have mentioned the condition of the car, if the windows were broken or up or down, or where the body was positioned in the car. To say that they thought the vehicle might have been in neutral is highly irresponsible and only contributes wild theories and speculation.

By calling the parents before LE, it reminds me of the guy, or gal, who always wants to be the first one to announce the bad news, or the reporter who wants to break the story before they verify the facts.

I am thrilled AWP found Kiely. The resulting publicity will be huge for their organization. However, they would get the same publicity without making public statements that could jeopardize an ongoing investigation. I still believe this is likely an accident, but if it isn’t? And what about the next case?

If AWP wants to continue to work with LE agencies on open cases, they will have to step down with the big announcements to gain publicity and stop divulging confidential information about evidence found. MOO

 

[getthefax]

Early on a family member of Kielys told a new station she may have left the party to go to an after party nearby.

Boca is also a spot a few friends posted that she may have gone to after the party (on instagram).

Tow truck driver reported it to LE and AWP. AWP felt that it may have been overlooked due to the high volume of tips coming in( From their interview yesterday)

So AWP is saying that the NCSO, PCO, and FBI overlooked that tip? The tip from the guy who said he works “in a roadside assistance program” but who wasn’t required to provide her license plate # or anything before making this claim, on camera, and who was also introduced as a long time supporter of AWP (and who followed them to the Best Buy in Reno when he saw their trailer driving?) ?

MOO, but this doesn’t even pass my basic sleuth sniff test.

I didn’t see anywhere why they said they also searched Donner before Prosser? Did they have another “tip” that LE “overlooked” in that area too?

Or could it be that they simply searched the as-yet unsearched bodies of water first, then moved over to Prosser to double check, and it wasn’t a tip at all that led them to search at Boca.

MOO/YMMV

 

[ForensicToxicologist]

Also, MOO, but I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and say I think the guy who claims he spoke with roadside assistance is so far out there, it is not outside the realm of possibility that he’s a rando dude out for his 15 minutes of shamefully ill-gotten fame.

He could also have just even been planted there to hype this story and drive AWP sales and YT memberships. Yep, I said it. His story doesn’t even make any sense in the context of what happened. Can we even verify that that guy was there?

MOO.

Edited for yet another fat-fingered typo.

You’re entitled to your opinion and we can agree to disagree on this. Not saying this to argue, but I want to point out that nothing I’ve seen from AWP indicates that they have the type of character that would indicate them “planting” someone to get hype. These people are truly a God send for families and don’t ever ask for any type of compensation. They do it out of the goodness of their hearts and it’s very disheartening to see so many people (members, YouTube, FB, etc) attacking them. I’ve heard AWP state multiple times “we can’t comment on this”, “I don’t have that info”, “we’ll only release that if LE decide to take it in that direction”. (I didn’t link as it has been in every different video or interview I’ve seen with them. Take your pick from this thread.) To me, this lends to their credibility and not them doing it for hype. I’m not saying LE wanted that video released, but I do believe that AWP is being careful in what they say and trying to protect the integrity of the investigation. To people angry about the paywall, the video will be available for free Sep. 2nd. Their videos always seem to be handled this way (members only fee then public) and make sense business wise since they survive off donations and SM subscriptions. It’s important to remember this is what enables them to help families like Kiely’s, and not a “get rich quick” scheme to profit. All this is MOO of course.

My question for them would be, how do they know that? No one even knows definitively where the car entered the water, so how on earth could they make any valid calculations? They may be able to hazard an educated guess, but things like physics and math will have to be used to figure out how fast the car sunk and how it wound up in that position, and you can't do that without an entry point.

They stated this based on how they found the windows when they spotted her car. I agree with you that other info is needed to get a more exact calculation, but a car with windows up versus one with a window down where water can instantly flood in will sink in very different amounts of time regardless of other factors. This is what led them to their educated guess.

 

[getthefax]

A lot of people will probably disagree with what I’m about to say. Let me preface it by saying that I think AWP is a wonderful organization which does a phenomenal job.

However, being involved in an active investigation is very different from searching for someone in a cold case, which is what AWP had done prior to becoming involved in Kiely’s case.

We do not know what LE knows or doesn’t know about the night KR disappeared. We don’t know what evidence has been collected. We do know that in parallel investigations like this LE is 1) trying to find the missing person, and 2) trying to find out how or why they disappeared. #2 is extremely important because if it turns out the cause of the disappearance is foul play, they want to have gathered all evidence they can so that they can use it at trial.

AWP are highly trained at what they do. Remember, they started out looking for salvage and became very proficient at finding vehicles under water. However, they are not trained investigators. They are not forensics experts. They are not under oath. They should not be leaking things that have anything to do with the scene of KR’s demise. The should not have mentioned the condition of the car, if the windows were broken or up or down, or where the body was positioned in the car. To say that they thought the vehicle might have been in neutral is highly irresponsible and only contributes wild theories and speculation.

By calling the parents before LE, it reminds me of the guy, or gal, who always wants to be the first one to announce the bad news, or the reporter who wants to break the story before they verify the facts.

I am thrilled AWP found Kiely. The resulting publicity will be huge for their organization. However, they would get the same publicity without making public statements that could jeopardize an ongoing investigation. I still believe this is likely an accident, but if it isn’t? And what about the next case?

If AWP wants to continue to work with LE agencies on open cases, they will have to step down with the big announcements to gain publicity and stop divulging confidential information about evidence found. MOO

Beautifully and diplomatically stated. Thanks

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I appreciate the intelligent differing opinions and the civil discourse.
These are the healthy nutrients feeding this important discussion.

 

[Cassady]

A lot of people will probably disagree with what I’m about to say. Let me preface it by saying that I think AWP is a wonderful organization which does a phenomenal job.

However, being involved in an active investigation is very different from searching for someone in a cold case, which is what AWP had done prior to becoming involved in Kiely’s case.

We do not know what LE knows or doesn’t know about the night KR disappeared. We don’t know what evidence has been collected. We do know that in parallel investigations like this LE is 1) trying to find the missing person, and 2) trying to find out how or why they disappeared. #2 is extremely important because if it turns out the cause of the disappearance is foul play, they want to have gathered all evidence they can so that they can use it at trial.

AWP are highly trained at what they do. Remember, they started out looking for salvage and became very proficient at finding vehicles under water. However, they are not trained investigators. They are not forensics experts. They are not under oath. They should not be leaking things that have anything to do with the scene of KR’s demise. The should not have mentioned the condition of the car, if the windows were broken or up or down, or where the body was positioned in the car. To say that they thought the vehicle might have been in neutral is highly irresponsible and only contributes wild theories and speculation.

By calling the parents before LE, it reminds me of the guy, or gal, who always wants to be the first one to announce the bad news, or the reporter who wants to break the story before they verify the facts.

I am thrilled AWP found Kiely. The resulting publicity will be huge for their organization. However, they would get the same publicity without making public statements that could jeopardize an ongoing investigation. I still believe this is likely an accident, but if it isn’t? And what about the next case?

If AWP wants to continue to work with LE agencies on open cases, they will have to step down with the big announcements to gain publicity and stop divulging confidential information about evidence found. MOO

What "confidential" information did they disclose?

All of their information seems to comes from their observations and information they gathered from their own research. I am not aware of any information they receivd from LE in confidence that they revealed.

IMO LE provided very little information to AWP. Most of that likely was related to previous water searches by LE.

In this case LE should be thankful that AWP found the missing person.

IMO in future missing person cases with water as a factor, LE should be more open to AWP and put their their egos and stubborness on the shelf. They should also write a check to AWP for their services.

Is LE or the family of the deceased raising any concerns about AWP's video?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

As soon as AWP found the missing person, they became a key part of the investigation.

Just my opinion,
AWP knows full well that as soon as a missing person's vehicle is located, they are a witness, not a participant in LE's investigation. They report what they see, LE and the ME take it from there. They aren't involved in any forensics and shouldn't be commenting on this specific case at this time.

 

[Beekarina]

Is discussing the tow truck driver allowed?

I'm assuming so, since he was in the preview, and that is permitted?

I removed my earlier comment about him, but since it seems we are allowed to discuss:

As others have since shared, when I have used a service such as AAA, they contract out to a local company. i.e. I called AAA, they took my information and let me know they would be calling XYZ local company and XYZ company would contact me. Fairly recently, I was with a friend when they somehow locked their keys inside the car during a heavy rainstorm. I called AAA. We waited inside a local business for around an hour. The tow driver called me sometime after I spoke with AAA to confirm I still needed help, and to let me know he was a at that time, a few miles away helping someone else but would be there soon. He took my name, established I was a passenger in my friend's vehicle, took the license plate, model and make, and asked where I was/would be, since we were not in the vehicle, and it was a bad storm. As he approached, he called again and met us at the car.

I assume he had a dash cam, etc. He was extremely professional. I know anything is possible in today's world, but I personally would hope a tow truck driver would not fabricate something like this? There would be a lot of evidence proving he responded to a call to assist someone matching Kiely's description, and vehicle?


I don't know how much else we can discuss of the tow driver, so I will wait for the full tape to say more. Basically, I feel he is credible. I think it is possible his tip may have been lost in the mix due to timing, and law enforcement being flooded with tips at that time, and hopefully law enforcement now has anything and everything the tow truck company would have been able to provide.

 

[Anonymoususer321]

So AWP is saying that the NCSO, PCO, and FBI overlooked that tip? The tip from the guy who said he works “in a roadside assistance program” but who wasn’t required to provide her license plate # or anything before making this claim, on camera, and who was also introduced as a long time supporter of AWP (and who followed them to the Best Buy in Reno when he saw their trailer driving?) ?

MOO, but this doesn’t even pass my basic sleuth sniff test.

I didn’t see anywhere why they said they also searched Donner before Prosser? Did they have another “tip” that LE “overlooked” in that area too?

Or could it be that they simply searched the as-yet unsearched bodies of water first, then moved over to Prosser to double check, and it wasn’t a tip at all that led them to search at Boca.

MOO/YMMV

I’m not clear on why this detail matters, but the interview with the tow driver on the Boca spotting was done before they started their search and they explain that’s why they went there.

It’s definitely odd, no doubt. I’m surprised the driver hasn’t been found or spoken out. To lie about this, while claiming there would be records is weird. He didn’t give me a creepy vibe, nor did he take to social media with the story first. On the other hand, I need details on how he contacted them. It sounds like they met at a Best Buy, if it wasn’t arranged then story definitely stinks. (IE if he claims he just ran into them there).
Maybe he’s actually confused on the date.

Not to mention they imply it was Kielys friend and her ex that were in the car, not her.

As far as the police and FBI, it’s not that uncommon for them to overlook the obvious. They did in the Jayme Close case and proved to be utterly incompetent. Point being, they make mistakes all the time.

 

[Gemmie]

Is discussing the tow truck driver allowed?

I'm assuming so, since he was in the preview, and that is permitted?

I removed my earlier comment about him, but since it seems we are allowed to discuss:

As others have since shared, when I have used a service such as AAA, they contract out to a local company. i.e. I called AAA, they took my information and let me know they would be calling XYZ local company and XYZ company would contact me. Fairly recently, I was with a friend when they somehow locked their keys inside the car during a heavy rainstorm. I called AAA. We waited inside a local business for around an hour. The tow driver called me sometime after I spoke with AAA to confirm I still needed help, and to let me know he was a at that time, a few miles away helping someone else but would be there soon. He took my name, established I was a passenger in my friend's vehicle, took the license plate, model and make, and asked where I was/would be, since we were not in the vehicle, and it was a bad storm. As he approached, he called again and met us at the car.

I assume he had a dash cam, etc. He was extremely professional. I know anything is possible in today's world, but I personally would hope a tow truck driver would not fabricate something like this? There would be a lot of evidence proving he responded to a call to assist someone matching Kiely's description, and vehicle?


I don't know how much else we can discuss of the tow driver, so I will wait for the full tape to say more. Basically, I feel he is credible. I think it is possible his tip may have been lost in the mix due to timing, and law enforcement being flooded with tips at that time, and hopefully law enforcement now has anything and everything the tow truck company would have been able to provide.

We can discuss what's in the preview since that's available to everyone. We can't discuss what's in the subscribers member's only video today, but we can tomorrow when it's released to the general public to view.

 

[OldCop]

What "confidential" information did they disclose?

All of their information seems to comes from their observations and information they gathered from their own research. I am not aware of any information they receivd from LE in confidence that they revealed.

Perhaps I should have said that they disclosed information they found during the vehicle/body recovery that should have been kept confidential.
LE works with private search organizations all the time, (despite their “egos and stubbornness” as you so untactfully put it ). Those agencies do not make public statements about evidence they find. They give it to LE.

As far as I know LE was extremely grateful that KR was found, as were her family.

 

[MsMarple]

I don't know how much else we can discuss of the tow driver, so I will wait for the full tape to say more. Basically, I feel he is credible. I think it is possible his tip may have been lost in the mix due to timing, and law enforcement being flooded with tips at that time, and hopefully law enforcement now has anything and everything the tow truck company would have been able to provide.

Respectfully snipped by me for focus.

I've been thinking about your comment that the tow truck guy's tip may have gotten lost in the flood of tips and if so then I ask: How does LE prioritize tips? JMO I'd think a tip from a tow guy saying he actually saw Kiely nearby and she seemed distressed by her male companion would take precedence over a tip from someone saying "Have you checked the restrooms?" But I could be wrong, credible tips have been lost in other cases. Still, a potential sighting seems important and worth checking.

In any case by now LE has gotten hold of the driver's paperwork and any video so we may soon see an adjustment to the timeline. Or not. At the very least they may request anyone who was in the Boca area that morning to contact them. MOO.

And FWIW, to be very clear, not to you personally, just in general, I'm *not* bothered by any monetization AWP uses to fund their searches nor has my gratitude for their incredible work in finding Kiely diminished in any way. I don't want anyone to confuse my complaints about their videos with some sort of lack of appreciation of their fine recovery work. That's not true.

 

[OldCop]

I don't want anyone to confuse my complaints about their videos with some sort of lack of appreciation of their fine recovery work. That's not true.

Well said.

 

[GuyfromCanada]

Kiely would have been 17 today...

 

[Beekarina]

Respectfully snipped by me for focus.

I've been thinking about your comment that the tow truck guy's tip may have gotten lost in the flood of tips and if so then I ask: How does LE prioritize tips? JMO I'd think a tip from a tow guy saying he actually saw Kiely nearby and she seemed distressed by her male companion would take precedence over a tip from someone saying "Have you checked the restrooms?" But I could be wrong, credible tips have been lost in other cases. Still, a potential sighting seems important and worth checking.

In any case by now LE has gotten hold of the driver's paperwork and any video so we may soon see an adjustment to the timeline. Or not. At the very least they may request anyone who was in the Boca area that morning to contact them. MOO.

And FWIW, to be very clear, not to you personally, just in general, I'm *not* bothered by any monetization AWP uses to fund their searches nor has my gratitude for their incredible work in finding Kiely diminished in any way. I don't want anyone to confuse my complaints about their videos with some sort of lack of appreciation of their fine recovery work. That's not true.

I'm looking forward to watching the full video, so I can get a better feel for what may be going on here--with AWP, with the Tow Truck Driver.

Personally, I never really entertained the possibility of anyone else driving Kiely's vehicle, or harming her directly, but now I'm considering that as well. I'm thinking of all the long cold cases where I have found sketches of an UID and was certain it was a match to a missing person. There must be a lot of young women and teens who resemble Kiely closely enough to be mistaken for her, especially if they were in her actual vehicle.

I think the possibility that the tow truck driver responded to a call for Kiely's car, but did not interact with Kiely is actually possible. And it feels weird typing this, because I was starting to fall more into the majority here who believed this was a simple, tragic accident involving too much to drink and a couple of wrong turns.

Monetizing content always feels a little icky/phony to me, but I certainly support their cause. And I know that's just how the majority of the internet works now.

 

[SMK777]

Very sad. Extremely sad.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

According to the video, Bishop's first call is to someone he identified as Kiely's aunt to tell her they found Kiely.

Someone identified as family asks if Bishop can tell if there was foul play.

"No ma’am," Bishop says into the phone.

"I appreciate what you have done for us so much," the woman identified as Sally, Kiely’s grandmother, says on the video.

"It's not the answer we wanted but at least her family will have some closure," the woman says.

There are times on camera when Bishop and Rinn appear distraught over finding Kiely.

"It is different when we are finding someone who is missing for 20 or 30 years," Bishop says.

Adventures with Purpose has more than two million followers on YouTube. As of Wednesday afternoon, more than 1,000 people had paid to see their newest video on Kiely’s case.

Adventures with Purpose releases video of finding missing Truckee teen Kiely Rodni's body

In the video, Adventure with Purpose's Nick Rinn and Doug Bishop discuss the possibility, with no evidence, that Rodni's death may be suspicious.

www.rgj.com

 

[di anna]

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OMG THIS IS PERFECT <3
happy b'day kiely.

Oh my, she was very talented.

 

[Deleted member 718]

According to the video, Bishop's first call is to someone he identified as Kiely's aunt to tell her they found Kiely.

Someone identified as family asks if Bishop can tell if there was foul play.

"No ma’am," Bishop says into the phone.

"I appreciate what you have done for us so much," the woman identified as Sally, Kiely’s grandmother, says on the video.

"It's not the answer we wanted but at least her family will have some closure," the woman says.

There are times on camera when Bishop and Rinn appear distraught over finding Kiely.

"It is different when we are finding someone who is missing for 20 or 30 years," Bishop says.

Adventures with Purpose has more than two million followers on YouTube. As of Wednesday afternoon, more than 1,000 people had paid to see their newest video on Kiely’s case.

Adventures with Purpose releases video of finding missing Truckee teen Kiely Rodni's body

In the video, Adventure with Purpose's Nick Rinn and Doug Bishop discuss the possibility, with no evidence, that Rodni's death may be suspicious.

www.rgj.com

Thanks @imstilla.grandma Also from your link:

"The Placer County Sheriff's Department said Wednesday it is waiting for autopsy results on the cause of death when asked about the new video. The Nevada County Sheriff's Office has not immediately returned a request for comment on Adventures with Purpose's suggestion of foul play."

Me here. What county is in charge of the investigation at this point? Is there any significance in both counties being named? Prosser Reservoir is in Nevada County. tia

 

[SMK777]

Oh my, she was very talented.

She was. Talented, smart, beautiful. I wish this hadn’t happened to her.