Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #7

[annpats]

Doug from AWP says “Him being in the back is typical, we’ve found a lot of people in the back when they don’t have a seatbelt on.”

Well, I should hope most people found wouldn't have their seatbelt on!

Surely, even if you have just a few short seconds before your car is totally submerged, the first thing anyone would do is take their seatbelt off!!

What person of able mind (and body) would sit there still belted in with their car sinking and water rushing in around them?!

MOO.

 

[Gemmie]

Yeah.

Only way I could see something like that happening was if multiple people were in the car and everybody else got out.

There may be other more nefarious explanations but it just seems to strain credulity too much.

JMHO

That totally makes sense.

 

[rhino]

Well, I should hope most people found wouldn't have their seatbelt on!

Surely, even if you have just a few short seconds before your car is totally submerged, the first thing anyone would do is take their seatbelt off!!

What person of able mind would sit there still belted in with their car sinking and water rushing in around them?!

MOO.

Many of their recoveries seem to be elderly people with dementia, so not necessarily ‘of able mind’. I have watched a few videos where the occupant has still been belted in.

I have asked a mod if I can link the video, because right after the previous bit I mentioned, it seems to be suggested that if the airbags deploy, the seatbelts will lock. It gets cut off partially through though. This isn’t something I’d heard before.

 

[Gemmie]

Well, I should hope most people found wouldn't have their seatbelt on!

Surely, even if you have just a few short seconds before your car is totally submerged, the first thing anyone would do is take their seatbelt off!!

What person of able mind would sit there still belted in with their car sinking and water rushing in around them?!

MOO.

Perhaps someone who hit their head and was passed out? Only those fully awake would be of sound mind to get their seatbelt off.

But with all that said... you never know what someone will do when in an accident. Some just are not thinking straight. It can be a very confusing thing. I'll relay a true story that happened to me that I posted in another thread. This might help anyone who's never been in an accident, or who've had an accident, but having all their senses, unlike me the evening I crashed. This might explain how some are just not thinking straight. And for the record... I was completely straight, not even one drink. I believe Kiely had a little of this and that so she could have been more confused than I was.

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #4

I wonder how close to the barbed wire fence the car was when it stopped. It was reported somewhere that the blood spot possibly happened when he was exiting the car and was scratched by the barbed wire. If the driver's side door was unlocked, and it was assumed he exited the car through this...

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[Gemmie]

Many of their recoveries seem to be elderly people with dementia, so not necessarily ‘of able mind’. I have watched a few videos where the occupant has still been belted in.

I have asked a mod if I can link the video, because right after the previous bit I mentioned, it seems to be suggested that if the airbags deploy, the seatbelts will lock. It gets cut off partially through though. This isn’t something I’d heard before.

Regarding seatbelts locking... I was like WTH!?!? Lock so I can't get out if in an accident with the bag deployed? Then I realized that it must mean that it 'locks' (tightens across your chest so you're secure in your seat to prevent you from hitting the dash, wheel, or go through the window). It doesn't mean lock in the sense that you can't undo it.

the seat belt will always initiate once an impact is made. This is to protect the passenger, pulling them back to their sear securely. That way, if the airbag does indeed deploy, they will be safely secured against the seat.

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Funny story time.... I had a friend whose seatbelt lock thingie was broken. Usually you can lean forward to reach something without it holding you against your seat (like the above example would). He used to always say "Would you get such and such for me?" (something on my side on the floor, knowing full well what was going to happen). Each and every time that darn seatbelt would QUICKLY lock and prevent me from moving! And it snapped locked so fast so it was always a surprise. lol

 

[annpats]

I have asked a mod if I can link the video, because right after the previous bit I mentioned, it seems to be suggested that if the airbags deploy, the seatbelts will lock. It gets cut off partially through though. This isn’t something I’d heard before.

The strap part tightens across your chest. It 'locks'....and holds you back.

But then you can still unclip it from the holder.

 

[rhino]

Regarding seatbelts locking... I was like WTH!?!? Lock so I can't get out if in an accident with the bag deployed? Then I realized that it must mean that it 'locks' (tightens across your chest so you're secure in your seat to prevent you from hitting the dash, wheel, or go through the window). It doesn't mean lock in the sense that you can't undo it.

Ah, now that makes perfect sense. Thank you for explaining to the idiot!

 

[Gemmie]

Ah, now that makes perfect sense. Thank you for explaining to the idiot!

LOL I think it would help if they called it "tightens" and not "locked". That way no one can misinterpret it. I had to go Goog to see if they really did that!

 

[franker]

The strap part tightens across your chest. It 'locks'....and holds you back.

But then you can still unclip it from the holder.

Seatbelts are purely mechanical devices (at least as far as I know and up to now).

So, yeah, if you are suddenly jerked forward they will "lock". Just like they will if you quickly reach for something on the floor.

Pretty sure there is no electrical connection between airbags and seatbelts that would make them "lock".

At least not now but who knows what the future holds?

JMHO

 

[JurassicParker]

I took LE's comments about not pursuing charges against tipsters to mean that they were not interested in charging for underage drinking if that is what the other kids/parents were worried about. Dealing harsher substances or adults providing to underage kids is a different story. IMO.

Correct but you have to have someone willing to snitch. It’s been talked about frequently that NO ONE was coming forward. Everyone at that party was looking out for #1. Themselves. If someone decides to name names then yea charges MIGHT be able to be brought but it’s all hearsay at this point. Unless there are photos of someone distributing alcohol or drugs they can’t prove it. Every single one of those participants are off the hook. It sucks but it is what it is.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Many of their recoveries seem to be elderly people with dementia, so not necessarily ‘of able mind’. I have watched a few videos where the occupant has still been belted in.

I have asked a mod if I can link the video, because right after the previous bit I mentioned, it seems to be suggested that if the airbags deploy, the seatbelts will lock. It gets cut off partially through though. This isn’t something I’d heard before.

The belt itself locks. The latch itself does not lock and will release if you push the button. Source: Me. Been in multiple accidents where seatbelt locked immediately and airbag went off. I was always able to unlock the seatbelt by pushing the button on the latch. jmo

 

[getthefax]

I’m seeing a lot of posts wondering/speculating about how the car could have traveled, and about the changing water levels of the reservoir.

A couple things come to mind that I wanted to post.
1) There

Re: in the NYPost quote: found "car upside down" and "body in backseat."

If the car was upside down, then the body should have sunk down onto the interior car roof IF the body was loose. Does saying the body was in the backseat imply that KR was seatbelted into the backseat and found upside down? If decomposition gases caused the body to float after initially resting on the interior roof, eg the "bottom", then floating up to the backseat is not really "in the backseat", to me at least.

iirc AWP saw the body in the backseat before the car was turned over and pulled out of the water. There wasn't any video of the process, but as the car emerged from the water, the water would have been gushing out of the open and broken windows. jmo LE would have opened a door, too, to get as much water out as possible. So if the body had been loose as the car was turned upright, dragged out, water pouring out... a floating body could have landed anywhere inside the car, yet we all did see the blue privacy tarp over the back.

jmo I believe (greater than 75%) that KR was seatbelted in the backseat, and that is how she was found, upside down; ergo, KR was unconscious or deceased when the car entered the water, she was not driving, not a simple tragic MVA.

This link says it takes 5 - 8 days for decomposition gases to cause a body to float in fresh water 50F or greater.

How long does it take for a body to decompose in water? in The AnswerBank: How it Works

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How do any of you visualize "car upside down" AND "body in backseat"?

I did not infer at all that she was belted in to the back seat. In fact, when cars enter water, if the engine is in the front, the nose tips downward. The person in the front will invariably move to the back to follow the air as the car fills with water.

Once located, the car was turned over and pulled out, wheels down, rear end first. Kiely's body would have had to come to rest somewhere when the car was rotated--why not the back? She was in the water for 2 weeks so decomposition etc. could also have played a role in where she came to rest.

There is zero evidence to suggested she was belted into the back seat of her car--AWP could view her remains through the rear windshield, but as far as we know, AWP was not even quoted as saying her body was in the back seat. All we know is that it is possibly the area of the car where her body came to rest once the car was out of the water and gravity was once again in play.

 

[di anna]

I have been following this case for about 10 or 11 days. I don't think it was an accident. I will try to be methodical in my explanation. How do we know precisely when her car went into the water? Could she have
been somewhere for let's say a day or so? I find it very odd that the proximity of where her vehicle entered the
water appears to be the easiest way to enter the water in the area she was supposed to be partying in. Her mother never spoke to her, it was only a text, no voice. Are there not several ways to deactivate a cell esp. depending upon the sophistication of the electronic device? Removal of a SIM card, I dunno know. I just find it highly unlikely that she was able to navigate the area and then accidently drive into water. (yes, I watched the video), kuddo's to the young lady that braved that drive. Perhaps someone else navigated her vehicle up to that point, where her vehicle went into the water. I just have a hinky feeling, something is off.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I visualize her, as Mr Rinn says, in the backseat. He doesn't say hatch/trunk/rear, or even floating. He says she was in the back seat. I searched the AWP Facebook page for any other instances of bodies being found and the only other case I found were two toddlers found buckled in their car seats in the back seat.

Members have said the AWP team have videos of other recoveries where the deceased was found in the backseat of an SUV. I'd appreciate a link if possible.

Not AWP recoveries that I know of, but here are two examples of recoveries where deceased was found in back seat. COD in both cases - drowning.
(Note: I do not know if Kiely was found in backseat)

Body found in submerged car's back seat in Yakima River

ELLENSBURG, Wash. - The body of a 51-year-old man was found in the back seat of a car in the Yakima River in central Washington.Kittitas County Sheriff's Office deputies found the red Mazda about 300 feet downstream from the Roza Recreation area boat launc

komonews.com

Body found in car submerged in Mississippi river

An autopsy has determined that drowning was the cause of death for a southeast Missouri woman whose body was found in the backseat of a car submerged in the Mississippi River <p> </p>

krcgtv.com

 

[JurassicParker]

NY Post is a rinse and repeat rag so I don’t consider them reliable. Sorry. Unless it comes from someone directly related to the case anything they report is gossip.

 

[Deleted member 718]

As far as I know LE has NOT ruled out foul play. MOO I'd be remiss if I didn't at least consider the possibility. @Sillybilly 's post sbm:

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[Puzzles8]

Sorry for any confusion. What I meant was whether the shoulder/lap seat belt was engaged (locked) into the receptacle on the seat or not.

This would give us some clues as to whether KR tried to unattach her seat belt and get out of the car.

IMO, it would tell us whether she tried to get out or not.

JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> They likely know exactly where the car was parked, what gear it was in when found in the lake, exactly what position Kiely's body was in when AWP found her, what caused the external damage visible on the vehicle, whether Kiely was buckled or not, etc etc.

I'm not the most patient person in the universe and want all the answers right now, too. The professionals will figure it out and they don't have to guess about the answers to any of these questions. They already know, but it may be a few weeks until we do. IMO

 

[Perch]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>IMO when the car sinks (and Hondas are tight which could explain the distance from shore) the front with engine aims down. The last place in the vehicle with air pockets is usually the rear. This could be the most likely explanation of a victim being found in the back part of a vehicle JMO

 

[Ixchel13]

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Websleuths is a crime sleuthing forum. Foul play has not been ruled out by LE, so until such time as it is, stop the putdowns of others who are speculating in that regard.

So we can disagree but not put down the poster personally, or is disagreeing considered a put down. As long as we are respectful, we can disagree, iirc.