Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #9

[SteveP]

Please link where it has come directly from LE that JW was "firmly cleared". Or anyone has been cleared. A call to NCSO can clear that up. Not because a tabloid article stated so, when said tabloid has numerous times in the past had to admit to false statements and misinformation. Maybe I missed a verbal or written press release directly from NCSO. I apologize if I have. It's hard to keep up when working and all other obligations in life.

There are not degrees of cleared. JW was RULED OUT as a person of interest in the KIley Rodni investigation. But regardless, as he has never been named a person of interest, he cannot be sleuthed here anyway.

Nevada County Sheriffs told The U.S. Sun on Tuesday: "Early in the investigation, our detectives made contact with Jagger Westfall. After a detailed interview, he was ruled out as a person of interest."

As the comment is in quotes, that is the statement directly from LE, not some reporter's paraphrased deduction. No call for clarification seems needed. JMO

Kiely Rodni 'boyfriend' receives death threats over murder conspiracy theories

KIELY Rodni’s on/off boyfriend has provided an alibi to cops but is still receiving vicious death threats amid wild and unsubstantiated murder conspiracies online, The U.S. Sun can exclusivel…

www.the-sun.com

 

[RedHaus]

Isn't it fair to assume that nobody is a suspect since this case is currently being handled by the CHP? They investigate traffic related deaths.

Not sure if this answers your question:

@SimplyCass kindly excerpted < 10% of the recent Reno Gazette article (behind paywall) in her link below.

"The California Highway Patrol is investigation the case as a car crash, and the Nevada County Sheriff’s Office is investigating if foul play was a factor in the death and is handling Kiely’s autopsy and toxicology report."

Found Deceased - CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #9

i take it to mean just what it says, that early on, they questioned him and ruled him out. Don't disagree, @lxchel13. The SUN article is saying just as you describe. That JW was ruled out early on. Done. Tracing back to my post where I think this started, I simply stated the SUN article...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Ixchel13]

Please link where it has come directly from LE that JW was "firmly cleared". Or anyone has been cleared. A call to NCSO can clear that up. Not because a tabloid article stated so, when said tabloid has numerous times in the past had to admit to false statements and misinformation. Maybe I missed a verbal or written press release directly from NCSO. I apologize if I have. It's hard to keep up when working and all other obligations in life.

we all saw the link on here Charleston has posted it like 4 times! LE said they had a detailed investigation and Jagger is not a suspect, which means he has been cleared.
We have also discussed it in detail after she posted it each time. Are you saying you really havent seen it% If you say you dont believe it, then you must have seen it, now I am confused.

With the liberties that have been taken in speculating, which is what we do, I feel like it is not unfounded and perfectly OK to believe the statement from LE that was published in The Sun.

LE did not precede their statement with, *from what we can tell...* *from what we know up to this point* *from the evidence we have at this time* but that Jagger had been cleared!

The part about Nick RA was MOO and I stated that. I mean, he DID call LE and say he thought he might have seen the missing girl with person described as her boyfriend. Really cannot stress enough that when someone does that, they put themselves on the radar no matter how innocent they are.
Here is why IMO Nick RA has been cleared...

He was where he said he thought he was.
Girl was not Kiely
Guy was not Jagger
The clients were shown on camera and were not Kiely
The car was not Kielys

Jagger was in Napa Valley when KR disappeared and he proved it. He came back to Truckee when she was reported missing , immediately started searching and then went to Reno to see if he could find her there. It doesnt really take a link to surmise that he was doing all this openly, and when he was not doing that he was posting all this dramatic and painful
SM while mean people on SM were threatening to kill him and telling him to kill himself just because he was unjustly accused.

LE could have come right out at the very beginning and cleared him. IMO, IMHO, MOO,
they often do this on purpose and they definitely showed signs about not liking the SM circus. Unfortunately Jagger had joined that circus and I have to wonder if they left him dangling like that just to give others enough rope. They say payback is a B word.

Also from now on, I am done with Nick RA as I believe MOO, IMHOO, that LE has moved on
to the rest of the investigation. Also done with awp on this case <modsnip> so I wont debate those any more, sigh.

I am all about LE and forensics, what were the elements like that night that made her car get sucked in so quickly and silently, and homicidal drowning by proxy for providing booze or drugs.

 

[Ixchel13]

Wow I dont know why this has not hit home completely before, SM is simply a Leviathon
of good and evil. So much in this KR case has been distorted by SM. Dont get me wrong, I love SM. But I see why we have a bit of snipping here on WS. We are only allowed to go so far.
as I have said before, Behavioral panel also has these rules, unless the killer has already been convicted they are very careful. And MSM has been atrocious in this case!

If we had state and federal laws requiring SM gag orders for all folksworking a missing and possibly deceased case, LE would still be doing the same investigation. Its called tip lines and reward money. The no accusation without proof should be enforced online, it has always been a crime to do that anyway. Whatever LE might learn from SM does not quantify the hurt it causes innocent people and they always seem willing to at least hear what you have to say when you call them personally.

 

[RedHaus]

I've been doing some primary research using PCSO posted material on their FB page. More on that later.

In the meantime, I want to share an intriguing answer by PCSO (Brown) to a question at the 8/10 Truckee Comm. Mtg.

Q: ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT YOU ARE NOT SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC?

A: Uh so at this point and I think we've been very honest and open with the family of where we are at with the investigation and there's there are some things that we cannot talk about because it might interfere with the investigation. But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively.
[punctuation and capital letters added to this transcript excerpt by me to make it easier to read]

What I find interesting is that the definitive reference was to KR's car not being seen after that point in time, not KR.

Is that a material distinction, an outdated data point, or just an odd phrasing?

ET: edit my question

Source: @35:45

 

[Ixchel13]

So, , her car was not seen. Wondering, does anyone know how the abduction theories started%
IIRC, it seemed to be at the very beginning. I just remember thinking, does not seem like an abduction.

 

[MacBridey]

I've been doing some primary research using PCSO posted material on their FB page. More on that later.

In the meantime, I want to share an intriguing answer by PCSO (Brown) to a question at the 8/10 Truckee Comm. Mtg.

Q: ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT YOU ARE NOT SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC?

A: Uh so at this point and I think we've been very honest and open with the family of where we are at with the investigation and there's there are some things that we cannot talk about because it might interfere with the investigation. But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively.
[punctuation and capital letters added to this transcript excerpt by me to make it easier to read]

What I find interesting is that the definitive reference was to KR's car not being seen after that point in time, not KR.

Is that a material distinction, an outdated data point, or just an odd phrasing?

ET: edit my question

Source: @35:45

@RedHaus quoted PCSO Brown's statement of 8/10
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

If 8/10 was the day (or before that)
that Nick RA reported the car story to LE and
LE checked the RA tapes and found them not relevant,
That would put the kabosh on the RA implied story (that it was K or K's car)

Seems it is what you called, " a material distinction" , RedHaus

 

[MacBridey]

Sorry , My computer repeated my entry

DBM

 

[EmmieA]

@RedHaus quoted PCSO Brown's statement of 8/10
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

If 8/10 was the day (or before that)
that Nick RA reported the car story to LE and
LE checked the RA tapes and found them not relevant,
That would put the kabosh on the RA story.

Seems it is what you called, " a material distinction" , RedHaus

I thought Nick RA sought out AWP because LE hadn’t followed up on his tip? And I believe Nick said he didn’t know about Kiely being missing until a week or so after his possible encounter - he saw a flier that was posted. So I’m almost positive LE wouldn’t have had Nick’s story by 8/10.

MOO

 

[MacBridey]

I thought Nick RA sought out AWP because LE hadn’t followed up on his tip? And I believe Nick said he didn’t know about Kiely being missing until a week or so after his possible encounter - he saw a flier that was posted. So I’m almost positive LE wouldn’t have had Nick’s story by 8/10.

MOO

IDK
But Nick RA wouldn't know if / how/when LE responded
But it would be negligence if LE didn't follow up

Nick RA wasn't accurate in his time statements
e. g. ( about a week), (Fr. sat, or sun)
It could have been 5 days (Sat to wed). 5 days could seem like a week

Idk
Anyway, I think it was great researching by @RedHaus

 

[EmmieA]

IDK
But Nick RA wouldn't know if / how/when LE responded
But it would be negligence if LE didn't follow up

Nick RA wasn't accurate in his time statements
e. g. ( about a week), (Fr. sat, sun)
It could have been 5 days (Sat to wed)

Idk
Anyway, I think it was a great researching by @RedHaus

I was thinking Nick might not know if LE went directly to the company he worked for to get surveillance footage and logs but I’d assume they would also contact Nick for a statement?

And yes, @RedHaus is without doubt a great researcher! I’m lost with the lack of new info - but going through old footage/statements is a good idea.

MOO

 

[RedHaus]

@RedHaus quoted PCSO Brown's statement of 8/10
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

If 8/10 was the day (or before that)
that Nick RA reported the car story to LE and
LE checked the RA tapes and found them not relevant,
That would put the kabosh on the RA implied story (that it was K or K's car)

Seems it is what you called, " a material distinction" , RedHaus

That's a good point @MacBridey. But I tend to agree with @EmmieA - that the timing may not quite fit between when Brown said that on 8/10 and when Nick RA Guy reported his sighting to LE... A week from 8/5 is 8/12... 8/7 is 8/14. But like you said, is a week 5 or 7 days?

Anyhow, I was most intrigued by the wording of Brown's answer in that he didn't say the last sighting of KR... Maybe LE just didn't know for sure when her last sighting was at that early point in the search (and may still not know).

But somehow by 8/10 LE knew 8/6 at 12:33am was the last sighting of her car. So what does that mean? Was her car seen leaving the party sight at 12:33am?

I dunno... just caught me by surprise.

ET: fix typo

 

[RedHaus]

So, , her car was not seen. Wondering, does anyone know how the abduction theories started%
IIRC, it seemed to be at the very beginning. I just remember thinking, does not seem like an abduction.

Not sure... not even sure who the source of that was. But I thought you might want to see this image from the 8/10 PCSO Presser that I'm listening to again right now... I just figured out what is on this fellow's sleeve:

Child Abduction Rapid Deployment.

We are providing a recap of today’s press conference on our latest efforts along with the Nevada County Sheriff's Office, CHP - Truckee, FBI – Federal... | By Placer County Sheriff's Office | Facebook (he's standing at the far left at beginning of video)

 

[RedHaus]

OK, so we've discussed the 12:33am "last ping" from KR's phone (per LE) - with respect to trying to determine last location.

But I found another LE statement about KR's phone that may provide us with more intriguing information. This is from the 8/10 PCSO Presser - their first presser. Angela Musallam (PIO), answered a question with (1):

"Her phone has actually been turned off shortly after 12:30 Saturday [8/6] morning and has been off this whole time."

Now, take that in conjunction with Captain Brown (NCSO)'s statement from the 8/10 Community Meeting later that day (2):

""But what we know is that Kylie's car after 12:33 am [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

Are these two events connected - someone last seeing KR's car and KR's phone being turned off? Could that simply mean that KR turned off her phone and drove away / was driven from the party (maybe no one could see who was driving)?

Again, I dunno... just throwing this out there to see what folks think.


(1) @16:07: We are providing a recap of today’s press conference on our latest efforts along with the Nevada County Sheriff's Office, CHP - Truckee, FBI – Federal... | By Placer County Sheriff's Office | Facebook
(2) @35:45:

ET: fix video attachment and footnote sources

 

[Gemmie]

OK, so we've discussed the 12:33am "last ping" from KR's phone (per LE) - with respect to trying to determine last location.

But I found another LE statement about KR's phone that may provide us with more intriguing information. This is from the 8/10 PCSO Presser - their first presser. Angela Musallam (PIO), answered a question with:

"Her phone has actually been turned off shortly after 12:30 Saturday [8/6] morning and has been off this whole time."

Now, take that in conjunction with Captain Brown (NCSO)'s statement from the 8/10 Community Meeting later that day:

""But what we know is that Kylie's car after 12:33 am [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

Are these two events connected - someone last seeing KR's car and KR's phone being turned off? Could that simply mean that KR turned off her phone and drove away / was driven from the party (maybe no one could see who was driving)?

Again, I dunno... just throwing this out there to see what folks think.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1124203508132962

@16:07

@35:45

Great find, BTW. Question... could she have turned off her phone to save power since there was no one left to text/talk to at that point? She'd already texted her mom, and SS... and Mags was long gone...

Although the timing is a little odd... (stranger things have happened) could it simply be that?

 

[RedHaus]

Great find, BTW. Question... could she have turned off her phone to save power since there was no one left to text/talk to at that point? She'd already texted her mom, and SS... and Mags was long gone...

Although the timing is a little odd... (stranger things have happened) could it simply be that?

Sure thing. Why KR turned off her phone at 12:33am may be the question... to save power, to avoid being tracked, who knows! And of course, who turned off her phone? But Occam would suggest keep this simple, right? Not so easy here...

 

[Gemmie]

Sure thing. Why KR turned off her phone at 12:33am may be the question... to save power, to avoid being tracked, who knows! And of course, who turned off her phone? But Occam would suggest keep this simple, right? Not so easy here...

Something keeps nagging at me that it is THE question. I've often wondered about they who myself.

 

[ItalyReader]

Sure thing. Why KR turned off her phone at 12:33am may be the question... to save power, to avoid being tracked, who knows! And of course, who turned off her phone? But Occam would suggest keep this simple, right? Not so easy here.

Question:
Her car enters the water and her phone is inside, the car sinks and the phone is soon underneath a few meters of water. The phone may not be waterlogged immediately but is still well underneath the surface of the water.

I presume it stops pinging because it is no longer reachable, I imagine that phones cannot be reached through a 3 meter or so barrier of water, but open to expert opinion there.

Is this the same technical reaction as being “turned off”?

In other words, if a phone is turned off, how is that different from being unreachable? Is there actually a technical registered action that shows LE that the phone was turned off?

Or said another way, is it possible her phone was not manually turned off at all, and instead was simply unreachable and/or waterlogged?

It’s very interesting that the last ping (12:33) and last sighting (shortly after 12:30 according to Brown/PCSO) were both at almost the same time.

Let’s imagine: She was last seen 1230ish, her car goes in the water almost immediately after that and the phone is soon no longer reachable now under a meters thick barrier of water, and the phone stops pinging. Maybe that’s why it seemed “turned off”, when in fact no one manually turned it off?
(MOO and just one of a million hypotheses.)

Looking especially for responses from anyone technical/expert in how phones behave in this regard.

 

[RedHaus]

Here is something I found interesting from the PCSO's 8/10 Community Meeting while researching something else.

This is excerpted to highlight key statements that caught my attention - made me wonder what danger might exist, if any?

Q: WHAT IF OUR TEENAGERS ARE AFRAID OF BEING TRACKED IF THEY CALL OR SEND IN PHOTOS/VIDEOS?

A: CAPTAIN BROWN, NCSO

"... we're talking about needing people to be brave and and step up and and stand tall when maybe something has gone wrong... because a lack of trust and fear and and the things that go on..."

"...however what I can say is that treating a individual who provides a tip that puts them into danger is going to be treated extremely significantly from law enforcement and protecting that individual..."

"...when you're dealing on a high-end real significant case I don't know if you can guarantee any kind of anonymity like that and the only way somebody keeps a secret is they don't tell anybody..."

"...we don't know if there's a secret or not... we're trying to encourage people to come forth that may have information but we don't have information that they have something negative either... there really could be no information..."

"... in the event that it is there we will help protect people and keep them safe if they feel like they're in danger and we'll do that to the best of our abilities whether they're juvenile or an adult we will do the same thing for them."
[excerpted from transcribed answer, bolded by me, punctuation and capital letters added by me]

@27:56

ET: fix typo

 

[RedHaus]

It’s very interesting that the last ping (12:33) and last sighting (shortly after 12:30 according to Brown/PCSO) were both at almost the same time.

RSBM
Yes it is interesting! I think we have three 8/6, ~12:30am time stamps from LE, and I suspect they are technically separate:

1) KR's phone is turned off (8/10 PCSO presser) - I believe this is detectable by service provider data as a phone function.

2) KR's phone's last ping location (8/13 PCSO presser*) - I believe this is from cell tower data network connectivity.

3) KR's car last seen (8/10 Comm. Mtg) - note this just when KR's car was last seen, not KR herself.

But I agree, @ItalyReader, we need a sleuther with deeper technical knowledge to tease out #1 and #2, especially with water.

*@8:09

8/13 Press Conference regarding the Kiely Rodni missing person investigation & search. | By Placer County Sheriff's Office | Facebook

8/13 Press Conference regarding the Kiely Rodni missing person investigation & search.

fb.watch

ET: clarify and cite source for #3