Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #9

[5W's]

Great find, BTW. Question... could she have turned off her phone to save power since there was no one left to text/talk to at that point? She'd already texted her mom, and SS... and Mags was long gone...

Although the timing is a little odd... (stranger things have happened) could it simply be that?

IDK about that though because she apparently may have had her charger with her in the car. It was said that SS and KR went to KR's car to charge their phones.

 

[5W's]

Question:
Her car enters the water and her phone is inside, the car sinks and the phone is soon underneath a few meters of water. The phone may not be waterlogged immediately but is still well underneath the surface of the water.

I presume it stops pinging because it is no longer reachable, I imagine that phones cannot be reached through a 3 meter or so barrier of water, but open to expert opinion there.

Is this the same technical reaction as being “turned off”?

In other words, if a phone is turned off, how is that different from being unreachable? Is there actually a technical registered action that shows LE that the phone was turned off?

Or said another way, is it possible her phone was not manually turned off at all, and instead was simply unreachable and/or waterlogged?

It’s very interesting that the last ping (12:33) and last sighting (shortly after 12:30 according to Brown/PCSO) were both at almost the same time.

Let’s imagine: She was last seen 1230ish, her car goes in the water almost immediately after that and the phone is soon no longer reachable now under a meters thick barrier of water, and the phone stops pinging. Maybe that’s why it seemed “turned off”, when in fact no one manually turned it off?
(MOO and just one of a million hypotheses.)

Looking especially for responses from anyone technical/expert in how phones behave in this regard.

If she was seen at the party at that time then the water theory doesn't seem possible because it takes time to get to the lake it won't be right away that she could drive there. If her car as Brown said was "definatively not seen" after that time then her car was obviously not there at the party, it was gone. Then the last ping would be after the car was no longer seen at the party definatively." Possibly there could be an answer to this if we knew when she was last seen at the party to co-relate to the last ping. I wonder after SS left the party how long was KR seen hanging around the party chatting/walking around/dancing? This of course could also co-relate to the ping. Another question comes to my mind is this certain KR's laptop and phone went out of the car as LE was taking it out or could have someone thrown both items into the water before? I only say this because IMO there is an aura of culpability at this party, anything really could have happened if people were too busy not knowing someone was in trouble with thier inebriation as so many Sleuthers have pointed out in this case where it is a tragic accident.

 

[ItalyReader]

If she was seen at the party at that time then the water theory doesn't seem possible because it takes time to get to the lake it won't be right away that she could drive there. If her car as Brown said was "definatively not seen" after that time then her car was obviously not there at the party, it was gone. Then the last ping would be after the car was no longer seen at the party definatively." Possibly there could be an answer to this if we knew when she was last seen at the party to co-relate to the last ping.

That’s all fine regarding water theory or any of a million theories, but my question remains:

Is manually turning off a phone able to be differentiated from the phone no longer being reachable?

 

[5W's]

That’s all fine regarding water theory or any of a million theories, but my question remains:

Is manually turning off a phone able to be differentiated from the phone no longer being reachable?

From what I've heard its not distinguishable, I mean that could be older technology that was the case. That's why I'm thoerizing what I said based on what I have heard that it is indistinguishable.

 

[O.Incandenza]

Sure thing. Why KR turned off her phone at 12:33am may be the question... to save power, to avoid being tracked, who knows! And of course, who turned off her phone? But Occam would suggest keep this simple, right? Not so easy here...

In the 8/13 press conference they emphasized that there could have been further phone activity after 12:33 that they just hadn't been able to recover, so I'm not sure we can confidently say the phone was turned off at 12:33. Don't know if that's just mixed messaging on the part of LE or if they learned more about the phone pings in between 8/10 and 8/13.

 

[Ixchel13]

there seems to be persistent rumors of one or more after parties around the Boca area that night. IMO those rumors may have started during the initial attempts to get the kids talking.

PCSO Brown's statement of 8/10 brought here from above link
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

He could also be talking about none of the kids saw her car at the parties. ie, could mean she was not at the parties.

From the same interview, LE says

"...however what I can say is that treating a individual who provides a tip that puts them into danger is going to be treated extremely significantly from law enforcement and protecting that individual..."

"...when you're dealing on a high-end real significant case I don't know if you can guarantee any kind of anonymity like that and the only way somebody keeps a secret is they don't tell anybody..."

these two statements are the ones that IMO exhibit extremely careful wording and even a little subterfuge.

being treated extremely significantly hmmmm does not indicate any release from culpability, just that LE will do whatever they can to protect them from someone who might hurt them.

Here is why I think thats sketchy. Say there was a drug dealer there, sold to a minor who sold it, not shared it, to KR and friends. Same with booze.Notice that the cop uses *significant* at least twice. IMO indicating this is serious, they will do what they can to protect the tipster but remember this is significant because someone could be dead is how I perceive it and I am sure it was not lost on parents in the room..Sign if I Cant


I dont know if you can guarantee any kind of anonymity...the *any kind*

 

[5W's]

there seems to be persistent rumors of one or more after parties around the Boca area that night. IMO those rumors may have started during the initial attempts to get the kids talking.

PCSO Brown's statement of 8/10 brought here from above link
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

He could also be talking about none of the kids saw her car at the parties. ie, could mean she was not at the parties.

IDK then it may even be possible KR left earler but after SS last saw her?

 

[ss90]

"But what we know is that Kylie's car after 12:33 am [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively"

To me this pretty strongly hints that the RA guys sighting has been checked and verified not to be Kiely. Or well, Kielys car to be exact, but I personally find it pointless to dig for some secret meanings behind LEs statements.

 

[SMK777]

Is manually turning off a phone able to be differentiated from the phone no longer being reachable?

Absolutely the essential question.

 

[EmmieA]

To me this pretty strongly hints that the RA guys sighting has been checked and verified not to be Kiely. Or well, Kielys car to be exact, but I personally find it pointless to dig for some secret meanings behind LEs statements.

I disagree. Nick RA supposedly did not even know Kiely was missing the day that press conference was held (8/10) as he said he didn’t know she was missing until he saw a poster about a week after his possible interaction at Boca. And LE hadn’t followed up on his tip when AWP filmed their interview with him.

 

[ss90]

I disagree. Nick RA supposedly did not even know Kiely was missing the day that press conference was held (8/10) as he said he didn’t know she was missing until he saw a poster about a week after his possible interaction at Boca. And LE hadn’t followed up on his tip when AWP filmed their interview with him.

Oh, sorry about that, I thought this was from some resent presser.

Though didnt he state that he had been interviewed by LE about the tip. Or maybe it was someone from AWP on their later interviews, but anyway I recall LE did look into that, but hasnt reveal the outcome wether or not it was indeed Kiely and / or her car.

 

[Ixchel13]

people had time to look at the missing posters before the press conference and talk about it to their friends. We do not even know who really called in about any sitings of KR after that. Someone else could have called in that tip about roadside assistance. Just because someone says they did it, and they did, does not mean they called first.

 

[EmmieA]

Oh, sorry about that, I thought this was from some resent presser.

Though didnt he state that he had been interviewed by LE about the tip. Or maybe it was someone from AWP on their later interviews, but anyway I recall LE did look into that, but hasnt reveal the outcome wether or not it was indeed Kiely and / or her car.

Yes, now/currently AWP has stated that Nick RA’s tip has been followed up on. It seems that LE took notice after AWP’s video was published. And yes, LE has been silent about the Boca sighting.

MOO

 

[EmmieA]

That’s all fine regarding water theory or any of a million theories, but my question remains:

Is manually turning off a phone able to be differentiated from the phone no longer being reachable?

Hopefully someone with a technical background can answer this but from what little I know, yes, you can tell when an iphone has been manually shut off vs if it went into water and stopped pinging — but I think you need the phone to determine this. I don’t know if Apple would have this data; The cell carrier wouldn’t have this data.

MOO

 

[Mominmi]

Hopefully someone with a technical background can answer this but from what little I know, yes, you can tell when an iphone has been manually shut off vs if it went into water and stopped pinging — but I think you need the phone to determine this. I don’t know if Apple would have this data; The cell carrier wouldn’t have this data.

MOO

Do we know if they recovered KR’s phone?

edited for clarity

 

[EmmieA]

Do we know if they recovered KR’s phone?

edited for clarity

We don’t know

I hope it stayed in the car (if it was in the car to begin with)

MOO

 

[ameliak]

We don’t know

I hope it stayed in the car (if it was in the car to begin with)

MOO

I would like to think that LE does indeed have the phone, otherwise, SURELY they would've returned to where the car was found to look for it.

 

[EmmieA]

I would like to think that LE does indeed have the phone, otherwise, SURELY they would've returned to where the car was found to look for it.

This is where we need a technical expert because can you even retrieve anything from an iphone after being underwater for two weeks? Or do you have to rely on the data you get from Apple & the carrier?

I’ve learned with laptops that you can supposedly still get data even if it’s been in water for weeks — as long as the computer was shut down before it went in the water. So I wonder if the same holds true with iphones?

 

[Allabouttrial]

I disagree. Nick RA supposedly did not even know Kiely was missing the day that press conference was held (8/10) as he said he didn’t know she was missing until he saw a poster about a week after his possible interaction at Boca. And LE hadn’t followed up on his tip when AWP filmed their interview with him.

Where are you getting this information from 'LE hadn't followed up on his tip'?

In his interview Nick RA says:

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....at that point in time, then I left and a week later is when I saw, at a coffee shop, that she was gone.

AWP - You saw this on a flyer or something?

Nick - Yeah, but then everything spiralled out of control and I got in contact with the detective and tried to do everything I could and..yeah... and then I saw you guys.

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We have no clue if LE followed up at that time or not.

 

[EmmieA]

Where are you getting this information from 'LE hadn't followed up on his tip'?

In his interview Nick RA says:

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....at that point in time, then I left and a week later is when I saw, at a coffee shop, that she was gone.

AWP - You saw this on a flyer or something?

Nick - Yeah, but then everything spiralled out of control and I got in contact with the detective and tried to do everything I could and..yeah... and then I saw you guys.

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We have no clue if LE followed up at that time or not.

I’m thinking if LE had followed up on Nick’s tip they would’ve contacted Nick for a statement. He says he contacted a detective but it’s up in the air to what that means, did he talk to someone, did he leave a message? And I took what he was saying, “… tried to do everything I could and” LE didn’t follow up. Why else would he seek out AWP to give them this information that he thought was important? If LE was on top of this then Nick didn’t need AWP’s help.

MOO