Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #9

[darring21]

I’m thinking if LE had followed up on Nick’s tip they would’ve contacted Nick for a statement. He says he contacted a detective but it’s up in the air to what that means, did he talk to someone, did he leave a message? And I took what he was saying, “… tried to do everything I could and” LE didn’t follow up. Why else would he seek out AWP to give them this information that he thought was important? If LE was on top of this then Nick didn’t need AWP’s help.

MOO

Was Nick seeking AWP's help or just trying to meet them? He is a fan of AWP and maybe just wanted to meet them and tell his story.

 

[RedHaus]

Is manually turning off a phone able to be differentiated from the phone no longer being reachable

Hopefully someone with a technical background can answer this but from what little I know, yes, you can tell when an iphone has been manually shut off vs if it went into water and stopped pinging — but I think you need the phone to determine this. I don’t know if Apple would have this data; The cell carrier wouldn’t have this data.

RSBM

These may not answer your specific questions, which I think are some of the cruxes to this mystery. But per the first source, the power-down final handshake sent to the network may be data that told LE KR's phone was turned off.

A. This is a Quora post, from what looks like to be a qualified poster:

Can a cell phone be pinged if the power is off?

Answer (1 of 3): No. This is not Hollywood. It can’t be located when off. It can’t be remotely turned on. HOWEVER. Generally, the phone will send a power-down final handshake to the network (so the network knows to send calls to voicemail immediately rather then trying to locate the phone to ...

www.quora.com

B. This is excerpted from a McAfee source with some interesting questions answered.

Can a phone be tracked if it's turned off?
A phone that is turned off is difficult to track because it stops sending signals to cell towers. However, the service provider or internet provider can show the last location once it’s switched back on.

Can a phone be tracked with no cell service/connection?
Even without cell service, Android devices and iPhones can be tracked. Your phone’s mapping apps can track your phone’s location without an internet connection...

Can a phone be tracked when it’s in airplane mode?
Yes, your phone can be tracked when it’s in airplane mode. While it does turn off Wi-Fi and cellular services, airplane mode doesn’t turn off GPS (a different technology that sends and receives signals from GPS satellites)...

Can My Phone Be Tracked If Location Services Are Off? | McAfee Blog

Your smartphone comes with built-in location services, which are useful if you lose it or if you use an app that needs to know your location. But what if

www.mcafee.com

IRRC, we had a phone expert opine on similar questions early on. If I have time, I'll try to look for that in T1-8.

 

[EmmieA]

Was Nick seeking AWP's help or just trying to meet them? He is a fan of AWP and maybe just wanted to meet them and tell his story.

As far as I know, AWP doesn’t travel with security - couldn’t he have just gone up and met them without a story? After listening to him I had the idea that he was frustrated that nothing had been done with his tip. That is my opinion.

 

[RedHaus]

If her car as Brown said was "definatively not seen" after that time then her car was obviously not there at the party, it was gone.

RSBM

You know, of course I've been pondering this since I discovered yesterday that on 8/10 Captain Brown of NCSO said:
"But what we know is that kylie's car after 12:33 a.m [8/6] has not been seen I can tell you that definitively."

Could there be only three possibilities here?

1. KR drove her car out of the party to either go home or somewhere else (e.g. after party, Reno, etc.)
2. Someone else drove KR's car out of the party to go to take her home or somewhere else (e.g. positive or negative)
3. Everyone else left the party, and KR's car remained at the party site (e.g. someone gave KR a ride, or she was in her car)

The third option could possibly tie to the 'exodus' that KR's Mom's friend spoke about in MSM in the early days.

ET: clarify #3

 

[MsBetsy]

I would like to think that LE does indeed have the phone, otherwise, SURELY they would've returned to where the car was found to look for it.

Would the phone still have any retrievable data? I would think they already have the data from the phone carrier. They may not need her cellphone at all. Maybe LE used the info from S and J's phone to confirm the information they were given and to help with the timeline.

I think the last ping was either the phone call with SS or her turning her phone on to make the call. She may have turned it off for a while to conserve the battery.

 

[EmmieA]

Would the phone still have any retrievable data? I would think they already have the data from the phone carrier. They may not need her cellphone at all. Maybe LE used the info from S and J's phone to confirm the information they were given and to help with the timeline.

I think the last ping was either the phone call with SS or her turning her phone on to make the call. She may have turned it off for a while to conserve the battery.

The phone would be helpful because you can get more data in general and more precise data from the actual phone vs what you get from the carrier. But like you mentioned, after a few weeks under water I’m not sure what would be retrievable. So that leaves data from Apple and whatever is on iCloud.

MOO

 

[Allabouttrial]

I’m thinking if LE had followed up on Nick’s tip they would’ve contacted Nick for a statement. He says he contacted a detective but it’s up in the air to what that means, did he talk to someone, did he leave a message? And I took what he was saying, “… tried to do everything I could and” LE didn’t follow up. Why else would he seek out AWP to give them this information that he thought was important? If LE was on top of this then Nick didn’t need AWP’s help.

MOO

I totally understand how you interpreted his statement to mean that.

The thing is it wasn't clear in your post that it was your interpretation. I worry when comments are stated as fact because it can spiral real fast.

I can't help but be a stickler for facts so I often find myself having to trawl repeatedly through videos/msm to confirm if the information is something I missed, or it's inaccurate. Sometimes I wish I could learn to scroll more!

 

[Ixchel13]

Yes, now/currently AWP has stated that Nick RA’s tip has been followed up on. It seems that LE took notice after AWP’s video was published. And yes, LE has been silent about the Boca sighting.

MOO

she was not seen at Boca

 

[Ixchel13]

In the case of the drug dealing, it looks like they were selling pills and the buyers did not know they were laced with fenanyl.

no mercy for fentanyl dealers, none.

 

[Ixchel13]

Posting what I feel are main points of the article, withholding any comment.

"As far as the young man by the name of Jagger is concerned, we never mentioned his name," Bishop told The U.S. Sun.

"And the hat that was referenced that I think everyone is trying to draw to him, there are millions of those hats that are sold.

"As an organization, we do not consider anything like that to be possible, he's not a suspect, and we never named him as a suspect whatsoever.

"Now, those conclusions are being drawn and it's unfortunate, but the FBI has completely ruled him out.

"The main thing that the public needs to understand is we have never named that young man, nor will we ever."

Bishop said they did their background work on "witness" Nick and still stand by him "100 percent" but admit there is a possibility Kiely may have been with someone else, or it wasn't her at all.

"As much as we deem the entire thing to be suspicious, it very well could just be an accident."

"It would far benefit us to be controversial, but that's not how we operate," he told The U.S. Sun.

Divers who found missing teen's body break silence on 'murder conspiracies'

THE volunteer dive team who found missing teen Kiely Rodni in her submerged car still feels her death is “suspicious” but does not believe her boyfriend was involved. Kiely, 16, was dis…

www.the-sun.com

"The main thing that the public needs to understand is we have never named that young man, nor will we ever."

Just curious if anyone thinks Jagger has not been firmly cleared....lol

 

[Ixchel13]

LE isn't going to play that game because it will never be enough. It would then be "why did LE refute the RA Nick encounter but they haven't said anything the validity of the tarot card reading. The tarot card reading must be true!" Don't argue with crazy.

I feel like I failed a test....IDK about the tarot reading. Do not tell me that someone threw a tarot reading in to this mess! Been reading cards for decades and I would never, ever try to figure anything out about a missing person with them. That is not how they work.
I do believe in pychics, though. However LE gets frustrated with psychics coming out of the woodwork and trying to interfere. For every real psychic there are a thousand fake ones.

This case is really not that complicated. It seems like, IMO, that LE and the FBI along with many other task forces from surrounding counties worked ceaselessly to count out various
ways she could have had help getting into the lake, and speculating, they think she drove herself in unintentionally. However, she did not do this sober, IMO. Being a minor, maybe the ugliest part of the investigation as far as community relations is ongoing right now.

 

[OldCop]

I’m thinking if LE had followed up on Nick’s tip they would’ve contacted Nick for a statement. He says he contacted a detective but it’s up in the air to what that means, did he talk to someone, did he leave a message? And I took what he was saying, “… tried to do everything I could and” LE didn’t follow up. Why else would he seek out AWP to give them this information that he thought was important? If LE was on top of this then Nick didn’t need AWP’s help.

MOO

I imagine that once LE received RA’s tip they would go to his employer and ask if they had video of the encounter and the callout record which would show the name of the caller, vehicle info, plate number and the nature of the problem.
If they did that and determined it was not KR’s vehicle, there would be no need to interview the RA guy.
If they did that and determined it was KR’s vehicle, they would attempt to identify the two people who were at the scene when RA guy arrived. They would start with the reporting party’s name and go from there. At some point depending on what information they obtained, they would interview RA guy.
LE are under no obligation to report what tips they received and what information was derived from those tips.

 

[Ixchel13]

I imagine that once LE received RA’s tip they would go to his employer and ask if they had video of the encounter and the callout record which would show the name of the caller, vehicle info, plate number and the nature of the problem.
If they did that and determined it was not KR’s vehicle, there would be no need to interview the RA guy.
If they did that and determined it was KR’s vehicle, they would attempt to identify the two people who were at the scene when RA guy arrived. They would start with the reporting party’s name and go from there. At some point depending on what information they obtained, they would interview RA guy.
LE are under no obligation to report what tips they received and what information was derived from those tips.

thank you

 

[honesty]

I feel like I failed a test....IDK about the tarot reading. Do not tell me that someone threw a tarot reading in to this mess! Been reading cards for decades and I would never, ever try to figure anything out about a missing person with them. That is not how they work.
I do believe in pychics, though. However LE gets frustrated with psychics coming out of the woodwork and trying to interfere. For every real psychic there are a thousand fake ones.

This case is really not that complicated. It seems like, IMO, that LE and the FBI along with many other task forces from surrounding counties worked ceaselessly to count out various
ways she could have had help getting into the lake, and speculating, they think she drove herself in unintentionally. However, she did not do this sober, IMO. Being a minor, maybe the ugliest part of the investigation as far as community relations is ongoing right now.

a LOT of tarot readers have done readings, often multiple readings online. There are also tons of other types of readings. The main content creator site we all know of has literally hundreds of hits if you search it. The rabbit holes are long with this case to say the least. We cannot bring that stuff here, but it is available for the searching if you are so inclined to look at it.

November 1st cannot get here fast enough, I doubt we will get concrete answers to many of our questions, but I do hope that whatever is released will help a lot of hearts and minds find some peace. I fear the less they release though, this will continue to be a trending subject. The theories in this case have been the most bizarre of any case I myself have ever followed.

 

[Ixchel13]

Not sure... not even sure who the source of that was. But I thought you might want to see this image from the 8/10 PCSO Presser that I'm listening to again right now... I just figured out what is on this fellow's sleeve:

Child Abduction Rapid Deployment.

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We are providing a recap of today’s press conference on our latest efforts along with the Nevada County Sheriff's Office, CHP - Truckee, FBI – Federal... | By Placer County Sheriff's Office | Facebook (he's standing at the far left at beginning of video)

OK all this MOO. His body language is super chill, if he thought there was really an abduction, his shoulders would be up, arms at his sides and poised. Also he is locked and loaded. all the better to shoot a child abductor. His hands are also joined in a basket like shape in the obvious subliminal position of protection.
Not criticizing him in any way.

 

[RedHaus]

I am trying to cull the technology expertise offered in previous posts re: phones, pings, "turned off", water, etc. I have so far gone through threads #7-9 and only found these three posts that offer interesting guidance. I'll continue as I have time.

Agree with all this. But LE can get her phone records from her carrier. It will tell everything such as if there was a hard shut off of the phone. Getting a search warrant for phone records should be no problem in this circumstance. LE surely has done this assuming they have not got her phone. Even if they do have the phone, they need the carrier's records...

(T#9) RS&B(and green)BM

One problem with this theory, the feds and apple and other smartphone makers can tell exactly when a phone was turned off

(T#9) RS&B(and green)BM

@O.Incandenza, #168:
"The location derived from cell tower pings (as opposed to GPS) is usually quite imprecise. "By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile." If you're only within range of one tower (quite possible in this case) the location would be even more imprecise. I'd guess that the 'location' of the ping is big enough to encompass the party and the part of the lake where Kiely was found."
(T#7) RS&B(and green)BM

 

[RedHaus]

OK all this MOO. His body language is super chill, if he thought there was really an abduction, his shoulders would be up, arms at his sides and poised. Also he is locked and loaded. all the better to shoot a child abductor. His hands are also joined in a basket like shape in the obvious subliminal position of protection.
Not criticizing him in any way.

@Ixchel13, this may answer your question from yesterday as to why / when KR's case started out as an abduction:

“The search for Kiely involved multiple agencies, including the FBI, which investigated her disappearance as a possible child abduction following reports that the party grew to such a large size that there were people there that Kiely and her friends didn't know. Car accident or foul play? Agencies investigating death of Truckee teen Kiely Rodni" Source: post by @steeltowngirl in T#8
RS&BBM

 

[Carovb5]

on another case here on WS someone mentioned that cars register (black box) a lot of info like: which seatingplaces were occupied and when (due to weight on them), which doors opened etc… is there anyone more tech savvy that can tell me if this is true and if that’s te case in Kiely’s car? Thanks!

 

[Ixchel13]

@Ixchel13, this may answer your question from yesterday as to why / when KR's case started out as an abduction:

“The search for Kiely involved multiple agencies, including the FBI, which investigated her disappearance as a possible child abduction following reports that the party grew to such a large size that there were people there that Kiely and her friends didn't know. Car accident or foul play? Agencies investigating death of Truckee teen Kiely Rodni" Source: post by @steeltowngirl in T#8
RS&BBM

about 8 posts up I said,
this is what I said 8 posts up...Very aware also they had task forces working on abduction, thanks tho.

*This case is really not that complicated. It seems like, IMO, that LE and the FBI along with many other task forces from surrounding counties worked ceaselessly to count out various
ways she could have had help getting into the lake, and speculating, they think she drove herself in unintentionally. However, she did not do this sober, IMO. Being a minor, maybe the ugliest part of the investigation as far as community relations is ongoing right now.*

They seemed to me to have ruled out abduction even before they heard about a roadside incident, checked it out anyway, and went back to car wreck. opinion, no link backing up my opinion exactly and no need for one.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I am trying to cull the technology expertise offered in previous posts re: phones, pings, "turned off", water, etc. I have so far gone through threads #7-9 and only found these three posts that offer interesting guidance. I'll continue as I have time.



(T#9) RS&B(and green)BM

(T#9) RS&B(and green)BM

@O.Incandenza, #168:
"The location derived from cell tower pings (as opposed to GPS) is usually quite imprecise. "By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile." If you're only within range of one tower (quite possible in this case) the location would be even more imprecise. I'd guess that the 'location' of the ping is big enough to encompass the party and the part of the lake where Kiely was found."
(T#7) RS&B(and green)BM

I think it would be beneficial and awesome if we were able to interview several experts on this topic and compile a reference page that can be cited each time the topic comes up. It would include all of the scenarios such as phone dying, phone being manually shut off, phone being smashed, phone immersed in water, pings vs GPS, triangulation vs one tower, pings over water, pings near mountains, and so on. There are many websites on the topic but I have yet to find one that covers every scenario.