GUILTY CA - Lana Clarkson, 40, fatally shot, Alhambra, 3 Feb 2003

[Jeana (DP)]

I cannot STAND Linda Baden. Did you just hear her say that Phil had another woman's DNA on his privates, so "he didn't need to be serviced by Lana Clarkson"????? :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

 

[IdahoMom]

I cannot STAND Linda Baden. Did you just hear her say that Phil had another woman's DNA on his privates, so "he didn't need to be serviced by Lana Clarkson"????? :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

You're kidding me! How much lower could she go? I hope all this backfires bigtime!

Poor Lana...

 

[tezi]

I cannot STAND Linda Baden. Did you just hear her say that Phil had another woman's DNA on his privates, so "he didn't need to be serviced by Lana Clarkson"????? :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

You are kidding right???? Good grief!

BTW, Jeana, how are you doing?:blowkiss:

 

[Wrinkles]

Thoughts...loosely and as they hit...

Lana's teeth fragments on the stairs... Perhaps they didn't fly there, perhaps they fell off Spector's coat or were brushed off by him when he flew up the stairs (leaving bloody marks on the rail as evidence he went there?) Perhaps they were brushed off his "mug"!

Police arriving at the scene and any thoughts they might have had...
In this trial they did not permit reports of former legal problems Spector had with pulling guns. It seems to me that I have seen that there were at least two events on record where he was arrested and/or went to court for gun events. It seems to me that in least one of these events he had to do time, which might have been suspended and he had probation, I can't recall. My guess is that the police KNEW that this guy had a history when they went that night, but that is not permitted to be known in this court setting and I think that is PATHETIC! FURTHER, leaving that out permits LKB the "they had their minds made up" thing look like the police are stupid. Sheesh, the police are clued in by past events, they have to have a heads up, but they shouldn't be able to take that into account with her "celebrity boss"?

Hello, excuse me, the 911 call stated something about, "my boss said he thinks he killed somebody." That boss had been to court with gun crap before. Does she think the cops should arrive doe'y eyed stupid and pretend like the "big boss man" is just a puny little toto who is nothing but a wee milktoast? OH...but let's concentrate on that dodo argument of the 2nd language speaking guy using the wrong pronouns and perfect verb usage, like he isn't INCREDIBLY intelligent having far more of a command of a 2nd language than I bet ANY of the defense attornies have. Oops, I digressed! Bottomline, what? LKB thinks that the cops should have immediately thought, "We have some guy with an accent on the phone, he must be stupid -- you know he has an accent, all people with accents are probably dumb and blind, and let's don't look up any of the records of this Spector guy before we go...let's play dumb."

COURT TV, IF YOU ARE READING, REPLAY WHERE SPECTOR HAD PRIOR EVENTS WITH GUN THAT WENT TO LAW, PLEASE!!!

The gal who writes the following page has nicely reported, I hope that those interested will read her take (I do not necessarily agree with her take, but I certainly appreciate her writing it out so nicely!):

http://thedarwinexception.wordpress.com/

Where do I not agree? She wrote the following:
>>And all of this really is a shame, because Linda Kenney Baden *does* have some important, valid points. She made a couple that even got me thinking “hmmmmm…..”, but the important valid points are so lost in the monotone sea of the silly points that make no damned sense that it’s going to be hard for any but the hardiest juror to stay focused and alert enough to weed through them and pick out the valid ones.<<

Well, personally, I didn't find any of LKB's points were important or valid, none made me go "hmmmmmm" -- to me all of LKB's points were nothing more than the manipulation to try to get a murderer off. So what if this or that wasn't quite done this way or that way (testing for Viagra in the pee, or checking for alcohol in it, or doing a psychological autopsy of Lana), and perhaps that could have been important if this wasn't a murder (which is what I believe it was), it never erases the De Souza testimony (which I thoroughly believe), so for me, there were no real "hmmmm" moments (though I would be interested in what made this gal go "hmmmmm").

But the "silly a**" points that made no damned sensed is certainly something I agree upon!!! The "trying to stay focussed" too... YAWN!!! I wanted to stay focussed, but oh gads....

more as I read and think...

 

[Jeana (DP)]

You're kidding me! How much lower could she go? I hope all this backfires bigtime!

Poor Lana...

I still have a shocked look on my face!! I was hoping to be able to call Alan Jackson and make him say something to the effect "this is exactly what Phil thinks of women" but alas I didn't have his cell number!!!!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

You are kidding right???? Good grief!

BTW, Jeana, how are you doing?:blowkiss:

no joke!!!!!

I'm good darlin, how are you? I've got to head over to the high school to help decorate for their first pep rally. Its going to be televised, so they want the gym to look good.

 

[Wrinkles]

And what of the prosecution bringing to the attention of the jury Punkin Pie's lying...

Now wait a minute... LKB has tried to make it look like the prosecution didn't have a case, thus they are disparaging witnesses for an untoward reason and because the prosecution had one thought on their mind...

Was the prosecution supposed to permit:

1. A PP that speaks out of both sides of her mouth and it is in conflict to the truth of things such as her Christmas letter? Who admits that she lied at some point?

2. A Henry Lee who was pointed out as having collected and not relinquished an item BY someone who noticed it from the defense side? And didn't arrive back to testify about far blood spatter (because he couldn't do so and be truthful?)

3. Two paramedics who had differing stories on the same thing (the records reporting the truth of what was said?)

4. A Di Maio or Spitz (I forget which) who noted testing done on the exterior of a cow or calf's head, rather than an intra-oral wound?

5. A Badden who doesn't know the definition of "conflict of interest"

6. A batch of so-called "highly paid" unbiased experts never mentioning spinal shock?

and I could go on and on...

The truth, which LKB says to seek, is all over the table starting with Adriano. Did LKB expect Jackson to get up and not argue for the victim? Did she expect him to not get up and point out the truth, the conflicts??

Let's see how this goes...

W

 

[Wrinkles]

They are arguing the language about intentional shooting, as opposed to a slap or this or that....

Back to the 2nd degree murder thing.

The defense is really trying to get some pinpoint instruction cornering the prosecution.

Edited: They are trying to get an "in the mouth" thing, not just the gun to the head.

 

[panthera]

I cannot STAND Linda Baden. Did you just hear her say that Phil had another woman's DNA on his privates, so "he didn't need to be serviced by Lana Clarkson"????? :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

I haven't had a chance to see if her closing is on Extra yet, but now maybe I don't want to see it. This is appalling! I just hope the jurors are as disgusted as we are. Please give us a quick verdict of guilty!!

 

[Niner]

Hey everyone!! Back from my vacation.... and SO glad to be home!

Wrinkles!! :clap: :clap: Thank you SO much for your 'script' from the closing agruments!! I knew I would miss these while on vacation, and they are truly appreciated!!

And now I take it - Monday ?? instructions to the jurors and then they go diliberate?? yes?? TIA!

 

[LaMer]

Wrinkles, boy am I glad to hear you say that about the DE's point of view as there was nothing LKB said which I thought was valid or important that made me go hmmmmmmmmmmm. nothin Sometimes I do miss some parts as life gets in the way, but from all I have read and what I was able to watch, if I was a juror, I would have no problem voting G!!!! none!!

FOX news did a short segment today on the PS trial--unbelieable--I know!

The guest defense attorney they had on must not have her 'talking points' e-mailed to her (maybe not one of LKB's VBF's) as she mistated evidence LOL but the guest prosecutor was right on imo as he thought PS was guilty and direct and circumstantial evidence pointing to a G verdict.

I'm like you, Adriana De Souza's testimony wraps it up for me. Well not your words, wraps it up, but we're close. He was very credible, consistent, and unshakable. Lana sitting there by the door with her purse hanging on her shoulder was a definet sign she wanted to leave. Lana not wanting to go to the castle then having to move her car, no signs she was depressed other than what might be 'life' for many out there. And what the heck, LOL she thinks,well what a great place to kill myself? No way! Especially knowing pointing guns at women is PS's routine when drinking and the women want to leave for pete's sake!

LOL LKB added so many mis-statements to the evidence, I was wondering what trial she was talking about! I predict the jurors will nix a lot of the expert forensic testimony and carry on----GUILTY!

I'm so glad this trial is coming to an end tho as I have had a terrible time trying to keep up. I hate sitting at the computer for hours and hours. And I was looking forward to the Entwistle trial, but oh brother there goes my life again!

Tomorrow nears the end is in sight. :dance:

JUSTICE FOR LANA!

 

[CyberLaw]

Of course you know I hope Psycho Phil does to prison for a long time.

But I was watching a program last night, and they made a point that in a lot of "suspected" suicide cases there is "instant" rigor mortis as in the gun tightly clutched in the hand. Was this point brought up by either side.

Just wondering........

 

[Wrinkles]

BTW, if anyone wants to read a fairly good rendition of last Friday, LKBs tying it up and Dixon's rebuttal, you can read it here:

http://thedarwinexception.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/

Again, I can't agree that LKB had any good points to pound. I was half asleep though, as I listened, lulled there by the monotone and already very convinced about the folly of it all... Science had already proven what it could to me, I didn't need "sleight of hand" or "red herring" science.

Dixon's work was right on, in my estimation...

I believe that he left the jury with the indisputable, a man, within seconds, minutes, reported what he said he had heard and witnessed, and he did so to 911 so that they could respond, it was recorded. That man's words were probably less fractured than many of ours might have been in a 911 call. They were very understandable, perhaps more understandable than mine, and English is my first language. Adriano was frightened and concerned by what he saw and he kicked into action as a result. If what he had seen had not been frightening (the gun), or worthy of response (his "bosses words" were worthy, as was the confirming blood on the face of a limp lady), why would he have sounded upset in the 911 call (upset, but not incapable; scared, but aptly under control.)

People can say whatever they like about Adriano's accent, his use of the language, but Adriano did not have eyes that could not translate precisely what he saw. His eyes translated even as ours do. He did not lack normal human feelings, his feelings AND instincts were completely in tact and translated the severity of the situation, which he then aptly translated into a response and a call for help.

Adriano saw Spector, a gun in his hand, he saw blood on Spector's hand, he saw blood on the lady's face, he reported what his eyes saw. Science proved that a gun/gunshot killed Lana and the blood which was transferred to the door by Spector (it damn WELL was on Spector's hand, Lana didn't open that door.) Science didn't have to work too hard to prove blood on "the lady's face." The science, which I believe, showed a "wiped down" gun (I've done enough wiping in my life to "get that!") Lana did not wipe that gun, that leaves only Phil, thus, in my mind, it is proven that Phil DID have that gun in his hand (which would support De Souza's statement.) Come on now, why would Phil wipe a gun down, or even touch it, if it was just used for a suicide. Ah no, this was conciousness of guilt! No phone call, consciousness of guilt. (and so many more "consciousness of guilt things.")

LKB used the term "confabulated" in her closing, i.e. She would have you believe that Adriano saw the gun on the floor by Lana's foot and "confabulated" it into Phil's hand on the porch. Yeah, and I suppose that Phil saw a suicide and confabulated that into, "I think I killed somebody." Well that seems like a "whole lotta shakin going on" oops, I just confabulated, I saw "twisting" and confabulated it to shakin.

Fortunately, there was a "wall of sound" in all of this, but it wasn't Spector's. It was one that existed long before Spector ever did. It was the looming wall of sound in a truthful man's voice and it was recorded on a 911 recorder. Lana has been silenced, but I pray that the real and valuable wall of sound was very clearly heard by the jury.

In essence, I see some ironies in this case that I hope "play out" for Lana's justice. I hope that it is ultimately "recording science" that clearly unveiled that which the "so-called recording genius" hoped to hide. I hope that the 911 recording rings in the ears and minds of the jurors. I hope that it is the transcript recording of words from such as Tannazzo which, if reread, will remind the jurors of "Philip's" thinking that every woman deserves a bullet in the head (isn't that what happened at Phil's castle with Phil's guns and bullets?) I hope that it is the PowerPoint and computing recording/replay of the 5 "very real" witnesses of past bad acts, Tannazzo, the 911, etc. that "sticks."

I pray that the jurors will not be confused by "sleight of hand" and "red herring" science, and that they will bring justice for Lana. My hope is that Phil will soon have his opportunity to ante up. In doing so, I understand that he will learn about another, real, wall of sound. I hear that the noise in prison is nearly deafening. He'll have plenty of opportunity to "shake," rattle and roll in that wall of sound, but he will no longer have any skirts to plunder or hide under, not his victims', not his "token defense bride's" and not his defense attorney's!

W

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Of course you know I hope Psycho Phil does to prison for a long time.

But I was watching a program last night, and they made a point that in a lot of "suspected" suicide cases there is "instant" rigor mortis as in the gun tightly clutched in the hand. Was this point brought up by either side.

Just wondering........

No, I don't remember hearing anything like that. Even IF it were possible that she killed herself, there's no way the gun would have ended up where it was found (and wiped down to boot!!).

 

[Wrinkles]

Ah Jeana,

You are so right... So far, I am unaware of any gun that wipes itself down. Further, it would be truly miraculous for a corpse to do so.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Hmmm... Was just looking... Lana died on February 3rd, 2003, a Monday

Check this portion of lyrics, if the writers and words are correct...
>>(Phil Spector/Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich)

I met him on a Monday and my heart stood still
Da doo ron ron ron da doo ron ron
Somebody told me that his name was Bill
Da doo ron ron ron da doo ron ron

Yes, my heart stood still
Yes, his name was Bill
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron da doo ron ron<<


Perhaps the above should be written to:
I met him on a Monday, he made my heart go still
The dude run run run, the dude run run
Somebody told you that his name was Phil
The dude run run run, the dude run run

and

Yes, he made her heart go still
Yes, the guy who did it was Phil
And when he wouldn't let her go home
The dude run run run, the dude run run

Chorus: the dude run under the skirts of an attorney, because he couldn't face the "wall of sound"

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Starts out, supposedly Spector gave an interview with a rag over the weekend, evidently showed up in "Britain's Mail" this weekend and, in short, said the jury all voted for Bush, so Spector doesn't trust them etc. etc. OH MY GOSH! Spector knew the gag, but "supposedly" spoke to a rag.

Defense asks to re-open closing arguments, they didn't like the animation shown by the prosecution in rebuttal.

Judge said, "You got to see and approve the animation before it was shown, it was not entered into evidence, motion denied."

The are going over the situation with LKB saying, basically, that they cherry picked the bad act witnesses. The prosecution said, "No, we were limited by the court, we want a remedy for this untruth." The judge is re-reading LKBs statements and will give a remedy.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Judge openly admonishes Spector's wife to not speak to anyone. Spector's wife spouts off in court and the judge says he will hold her in contempt. She spouts off again and again, interupting the judge, and he keeps admonishing (patient man.) She finally says that she understands the judge's words - "you do not speak to anyone while this process is going on."

Judge admonishes Spector that he and/or a surrogate have the same order, to not speak to anyone.

LKB says, "Mr. Spector trusts the jurors, we don't want," something to the effect of jurors having read the rag to influence them. Suggests the judge voir dires them...

They are going through grammatical things.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

HOLY SMOKES...

The jurors' instructions about witnesses are INCREDIBLE, worthy of reading.

WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

If they lied, if they had other interests, etc. and so on.

Judge is reading his instructions, and so we go until the jury gets the case.

Let us hope that they poll first AND that they are all quite clear.

WALL OF SOUND (imo): Phil Spector is guilty

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Jury instructions read.

The bailiff has swotn the the jurors!

You may begin your deliberations!

W