GUILTY CA - Lana Clarkson, 40, fatally shot, Alhambra, 3 Feb 2003

[Wrinkles]

Alan Jackson has finished this side of closing arguments. At 4:00PM, court typically ends... Jackson requested approx. 15-20 minutes beyond that time. Judge gave him the alternative to finish tomorrow, Jackson preferred to finish today, they went beyond 4:00, perhaps to 4:20 or 4:30pm.

I am not the best reporter of this type of thing, hopefully someone like the gal at http://thedarwinexception.wordpress.com/ will do a write up, she is very accurate.

LisaFremont, wish you were here...

Jackson nailed each one of Kenney-Baden's original 10 points which were supposed to be the scientific points proving that Spector did not do it. He crossed each item off, one by one, as he attacked that the item had not been proven, they couldn't be. He used a HUGE red felt pen marker to make a HUGE "visual" X through each of them as he brought them down.

The point of "unbiased science," evidently "unbiased" was a term that KB brought up, was attacked by Jackson, per the defense experts. He reminded the jury that the "unbiased" science came from those who made some total 200K or such, so far, for their "unbiased" witnessing, some of which came from the "unbiased" man who is married to Kenney-Baden.

He mentioned that there is a difference between listening to a scientist testify, and listening to a witness testify about science (the defense witnesses being scientists testifying, while not proving the science). He made a point that these defense witnesses did not present citations for their opinions, something Dr. Andrews supplied plentifully. He noted that when Baden was asked to supply citations for something he had said, he referred to Di Maio's and Spitz's books (he was incredulous.) He figured that after the break, when Baden returned to the stand he would come equipped with the citations from those books, but he did not. He suggested that the reason he did not was because the Prosecution had READ those books, and Baden knew it, i.e. the inference was that there were no citations in those books to support his statement/s.

NOTE: For those who do medical research and present medical information, citations are intensely important. If you ever read a published medical document, the end of the document is generally loaded with citations from other documents which have been peer reviewed/approved/published documents. These citations support the science of the new document or statement. Thus, a lack of citations is like "talking off the top of your head" rather than speaking scientifically. Scientists support their statements and work with citations and study data.

Jackson reminded the jury that none of the defense experts are accountable to anyone, they are all retired. i.e. they do not have to report to a boss who might nail them (my words, not his) if they do not witness using proper science. People like Pena and Andrews must report to their bosses, thus making accurate statements is very important. Jackson did say that one of the defense's expert witnesses was accountable to Linda KB, i.e. would he actually get up and say that Spector was guilty? (not Jackson's words, his inference)

So, Alan proceeded through KBs list and obliterated each point as unproven. He mentioned how the defense experts kept trying to use science to prove points, but as each attempt was made and blown out of the water, they just attempted to come up with other things... I don't remember the terms of each of those attempted things, remember "the stiffening of the body" or outstretching, remember the chicken with the head cut off hopping around thing (lower vertebrates, not humans)...things like that... He mentioned that all of these things were destructed, and so eventually Baden came up with the AHA moment...

more as I try to remember...next message...

 

[Wrinkles]

So...Baden comes forth with his AHA moment. Never mind that he was present at the autopsy, but he had an AHA moment 4 years later and 2 days before court resumed and he was to testify (while his wife was conveniently out of the courtroom, said to be ill, I don't know that Jackson brought that forth, but I will.)

Jackson reminded the jury of Baden's response to, "Do you know what a conflict of interest is?" Gads...Baden is obviously going senile, as he didn't know what it was, some "legal term" YEESH! So Jackson told the jury that even a 9 or 10 year old knows what this is (a conflict...of interest), but Baden in all of his many years of learning didn't know, GO FIGURE!

At anyrate, the so-called "no transected spine, she was still alive for X minutes, breathing, spewing" was brought up, due to Baden's new Aha science (since none of the other "so-called" science spaghetti stuck to the wall.) In fact, I believe it was Di Maio's (or Spitz's) "blood splatter" up to so many feet that was brought up. When he was asked about that, he evidently kinda "muffled mouth" (insinuated by Jackson) finally said it was due to some German scientist's work in shooting a cow/calf "in the temple." (Hello, we are talking intra-oral gunshot wound here!) The term "blood splatter" was attacked by Jackson i.e. a scientist who presumes to be an expert in "blood spatter" should know this is not "blood splatter."

But back to the transected/not transected spine... Jackson brought up that there were a ton of "hits" in the medical searches (according to Andrews, one of the prosecutions experts) about "spinal shock." Yet, Jackson mentioned, not one of the defense's witnesses ever mentioned "spinal shock" and how this would have secured that Lana was not going to be moving below the transected place, or partially transected place, not breathing etc. She was NOT going to be hopping around like a chicken with her head cut off, and she was not going to be coughing or breathing and spewing blood.

"Pay to Say," was brought up pertaining to the defense witnesses...

and Punkin Pie, which occurred earlier...more in the next message...

 

[panthera]

Wrinkles ~ thank you so much!! :clap: :clap: I'm going to try to watch Extra tonight but your posts say it all. What a brilliant job by AJ today ~ and I'm hoping the jury was really paying attention.

 

[Wrinkles]

Punkin Pie...

I hope someone is doing a suicide watch on her tonight, because she got blasted a plenty.

Jackson brought up that she said that she had lied to the detective she talked to shortly after Lana's murder (she said that she had lied, evidently). When she talked to that detective, she stated that Lana had not been suicidal (a quote was given, I think it was NEVER suicidal). Later, ah well, PP's story changed. Jackson did not mince words about PP. He brought forth that she lied somewhere and brought forth that there was law that mentioned that IF in an earlier admission a witness said one thing (i.e. she was NEVER suicidal), that this should be considered, and, he brought up other legal language that if a witness appeared to be lying (later, I believe, after the earlier statement which said the contrary), that their (later?) testimony should be discarded (and not in so few words, you get the giste.) He suggested that PP was a centerpiece in the case (I don't happen to think so, I think that Adriano is the centerpiece!) Jackson told the jury they had to figure out where she was lying (but made sure that the jury remembered she was lying).

Jackson also brought up PP's totoheaded idiot nonsense (my words, not his, my opinion) statement about being politically correct in explanation of her Christmas letter text (how Lana died at the hands of Phil Spector!)

Jackson brought up that someone had made a statement that PP had insinuated Phil Spector early on, but that she said she never did because she never felt that way. OOPSIE, she didn't know that a Christmas letter would corroborate that she DID think that way and no schtinking BS, "I was trying to be politically correct" statement would erase what everyone could read and correctly discern themselves! Jackson enunciated how PP drew attention to herself... Who else would name themselves after a Thanksgiving desert?

Aside: Well, the insinuation is that PP appears to have sold herself.

It was brought up that PP is indebted for her sole club work paycheck to the owners of a club who are in some way attached to Phil Spector.

A magazine article which came out not long after Lana's death, but after Lana's family had asked all of her friends not to talk to the press and discuss the matter, was brought up. Evidently PP said she did not contribute to that article (i.e. the statements were not hers), yet the text in that article was reflective of similar statements that PP had made. Thus, the family ceased communicating with her.

Jackson noted that during a break in the courtroom, during the time that PP was on the witness stand, that he noticed her smiling and waving to her friends in the back of the courtroom (drawing attention to herself.)

In essence, PP and Hayes were wasted as if they had been scripted. Hayes had evidently said that she was PP's memory, and incidentally the two of them were evidently interviewed by Tawni Tyndall (sp?) at the same time (were they getting their stories straight?) Ah yes, and I think that it was brought forth that when asked how long Lana was at her Venice place, Hayes (who said she was such a great friend of Lana's) evidently said something like 8 or 9 years. I think the truth was like 2 years, maybe (I could be corrected). WOOPSIE. Also, according to phone records, Hayes and Lana had no phone calls between the two of them for 3 months prior to Lana's murder.

And about scripting... Jackson brought up that all of the defense experts came up with the same 5 points for their opinions, well now (scripted?) Evidently, when asked, none of them took into account Spector's prior behavior (why would they, he was paying their check). But where was "looking for the truth?" (Pay to Say witnesses?)

How about disclosure...? Jackson went through one of his file boxes, pulling out packed envelopes and files full of the notes of varying prosecution witnesses (which had evidently been provided to the defense at some point). He then pulled and laid on the table the 3 reports from defense experts Di Maio, Spitz and Baden. He noted that they were all dated within 4 or 5 days of each other, though there had been 4 years through this thing, Baden at the autopsy, Di Maio and Spitz coming on sometime about 1.5 or 2 years ago. The reports he threw down were like 2 or 3 stapled pages each. THAT was defense disclosure from these experts? WHERE IS THE TRUTH?

How about Henry Lee? (next message)

 

[Wrinkles]

Henry Lee was brought up, but he was not so much a highlight. It was brought up that he was supposed to come to the witness stand and say how blood could be spewed 6 feet (or 72 inches, or 62 inches or some such) -- trying to work with the defense's theory of Spector being X distance away.

Well, Jackson brought up that he did NOT come and state that, because he COULD not state that and be stating the truth (in effect.)

He mentioned that no one, not the jury, not anyone, would ever know what that "bit" that Lee picked up meant, because he NEVER presented it to anyone else.

Jackson mentioned the broken fingernail and how the defense experts wanted you to believe that the fingernail was broken as Lana shot herself, but that they could produce no scientific evidence to that effect, just "believe me, I am an expert, that is what happened." He brought up that the fingernail could have been broken at work, putting shoes on, in a struggle... (I think, can't recall it all.)

In his final minutes, Jackson brought up that De Souza said Spector said, "I think I shot somebody." He mentioned, "somebody?" And couldn't Spector remember Lana's name? Was she just "somebody?" Jackson mentioned that Spector should probably have said something to the effect of, "I finally shot somebody." He brought up that Spector had been terrorizing people for decades.

Somewhere in the last 30 minutes or so, Jackson did a presentation of the 5 former bad acts witnesses, in several phases... The drinking, the behavior, their saying they wanted to go (none of the phases necessarily in this order), his pulling the gun, his touching it to them and terrorizing them, etc. In each of the phases that he did, he caught the honesty and giste of each witness pertaining to that particular phase's issue, and from that set of 5 witnesses (evidently 7 events, 2 being on 2 women, I think.) Each phase was clips of the witnesses saying pertinent things, short blurbs, from one witness to the other and pertaining to the point of the phase. Very effective.

In the last half of Jackson's closing argument, he brought up how the defense wanted to portray Lana as someone exceedingly depressed. He brought up that Lana had been murdered two times, once by Spector and, obviously, once by the defense and making her look like something she was not. He showed statements of how lively, uplifted, looking forward that Lana was. He brought up her buying 7 pairs of shoes before going to work that past evening, he brought up how they moved her car for her that evening (from the parking at House of Blues, and when she finally agreed to go to Spector's) because she OBVIOUSLY needed it when it was time to go home...

Somewhere near the very end, a quick slide by slide, short movie clips, bit was shown on the "human" the real "Lana" that Spector killed. She was again humanized.

He called upon the jury to give Lana the justice that she could not give herself because her life had been taken.

W

 

[Jean]

Wrinkles, Thank you very much for some great reporting!!! I was able to watch some of the closing today--but not all, so your posts really are appreciated.

I was able to watch enough of the closing to say that Alan Jackson is one heck of an attorney. I think is closing was probably about the best I have ever heard. JMO

 

[Wrinkles]

Huh, sphew, wheeze....

There you go on what I can remember, and I am not the best at this type of thing (reporting on this type of thing).

I am glad that I watched Jackson's closing argument. One short day to encapsulate so important a matter... He did his best to not beat the jury up, i.e. in reiterating the same tired crud that they had been beaten up with (GSR, spatter/splatter etc.) He met them at a very human level. He "talked to them" and "with them" (as he was able without their being able to respond other than watching their facial expressions or body language), and did so as a "real person." Jackson did not talk to the wall or the ceiling, he talked to the jury. His language was not pristine, it was real. He was animated, and saying what many of us have felt throughout the trial, "Give me a break!"

The judge, after the first part of the closing arguments today (before the jury's lunch, and after they were excused for lunch), addressed the audience. He reminded them that there were a lot of people that wanted their seats and that some of them who had been doing disrespectful things like yawning and stretching etc. would be dismissed if they continued.

After the fact, during the 2nd half of the day, Spector was doing some chuckling and laughing during the closing argument, evidently, turning in his chair to look at the audience (evidently in the direction of his wife for her support.) I was watching on KTLA, webcast... The gals doing that wondered, "Did Spector think that he didn't have the admonishment that the judge gave to the audience?" There was speculation that perhaps Spector was feeling a type of righteous indignation, "I didn't do this, thus I must nervously laugh" type of thing. (IMO, bull, it was a murderer's arrogance shining through plain and clear.)

Well... This reminds me of a part of Jackson's closing, at the end, and how he introduced the names of the two men that "invented" 911. Spector didn't call 911, as we all know (14 phones in the house, a slide show flicked through pictures of the phones and their locations, I believe, I couldn't see the slides clearly), but Jackson mentioned that De Souza DID call 911 while Spector was obviously inside foisting another humiliation upon Lana after he murdered her.

Evidently, Jackson brought to mind, KB would like people to think that the bloody diaper was due to Spector rendering aid (blood clots at 15 minutes on that diaper, that is some kind of first aid!). Jackson brought up that the diaper was dipped in toilet water where Spector had pee'd and defecated, that is NOT how you render aid. He brought up that this was not aid, this was Spector trying to clean up what he did.

The jury was reminded of what he did with that diaper, and the humiliation to Lana of wiping her face with a diaper wet in toilet water, and how Spector was seen with blood on his hand by De Souza, how the door had it on it (transferred there by Spector), the stair rail, and how there was no blood on Spector's hands when the police came because he WASHED his hands (white mineral deposits on his shirt sleeve), but that Lana got the diaper wetted with toilet water for her "so-called aid." (the latter 3 words are mine)

Oh yeah, the jury was reminded of the blood marks on Lana's left hand and the gun, and its position on the left. SPECTOR, SHE IS RIGHT HANDED! (and yeah right, even if she had used her left hand, would it have been where it was found? Remember, De Souza saw you with that gun in your hand Spector, so that was obviously a staging!)

Sphew, am I done? I'm sure I will think about Jackson's words today, on and off all night, as I typically awake... I will muse about whether the defense will have had one of their readers touch upon my message here (delusion of grandeur) about their STUPID hand jive pantomime within the trial and wonder whether they will DARE to try the continuance of such stupidity (because they already caught that it was stupid, because Cutler who probably suggested it was dismissed so they don't have to, because I mentioned it was lame and obvious, OR will they continue that stupidity?)...

I will lay in bed thinking of how Spector chose the "woman" on his defense team to do the closing argument... well now, so kind of him to respect a woman so very much, isn't it. So clever! Isn't Spector and that defense team being clever to choose the woman on the team for the closing argument, him respecting a woman so much? How could Spector ever be thought to pull a gun on a woman, after all he is letting a "woman" do his closing argument (I'm impressed, NOT NOT NOT!) He would never disrespect a woman, all of those prior bad acts women were just chuckleheads looking for 15 minutes of fame, NOT!!!

Oh how Spector needs Linda KB (gag me Spector!), she has been so important to him, "We have gotten her the best doctors, we think she might have spinal meningitis or ... " Hmmm, my brain just ditched... (what was it he suggested they thought she had? and did Dr. Baden immediately run to the scene of his wife's aid? Any proof?) SHEEZA!...blah blah blah puke!

Yeah, "you" got her the best doctors to tend to her terrible illness that just so happened to occur a day or two before you had to put her "doesn't know what a conflict of interest is" expert husband on the stand because another "doesn't know about a piece of evidence he was seen collecting" expert got lost in China and couldn't come back to testify for WOAHHHHHHHH!! I think that Jackson forgot to add how much LEE had been paid within his number of how much the "experts" in the "Pay to Say" group got!

I'll bet that trip to China was an all expense paid trip offered by Spector, "Get the hell out of here! Can you arrange a teaching circuit to make it look legit?" I would LOVE to know when that teaching trip was planned in China, and if it even happened.

Nuff...

 

[IdahoMom]

Wrinkles, Thank you very much for some great reporting!!! I was able to watch some of the closing today--but not all, so your posts really are appreciated.

I was able to watch enough of the closing to say that Alan Jackson is one heck of an attorney. I think is closing was probably about the best I have ever heard. JMO

Yes, Wrinkles! Thank you very much!

Jean, I agree with you- Alan Jackson did an excellent job! I especially liked what he said about PS using a diaper wetted with toilet water on Lana...he wove that in nicely with his theme of PS' disdain for women.

 

[Moe]

Great recap Wrinkles, thank you!

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Nore, Panthera, Jean, IdahoMom and Moe...

Thanks for your thanks on the recap... I'm not as good at that type of thing as others, but since I watched it, I tried to spit out from memory what I recalled. It was a good exercise, but my mind was jumping every which way trying to remember. At anyrate, it is nice to be appreciated, so thanks

There were several points that Jackson was asked to clean up from the "before the lunch break" closing argument. Trying to recall, these had to do with his use of "I"... This had to do with his notice of PP smiling and waving to her friends in the courtroom. The issue was that the jury had eyes, it was up to them to recall the evidence, behavior of witnesses and so on... This also had to do with the jurors going to the castle, someone having requested to see the bar where Jackson noted "I saw the half full bottle of Tequila there." Again, the jurors had eyes, was the point... Jackson was evidently to dispense with the use of "I," somehow.

This reminds me of one of the things that Jackson noted that the defense team tried to sling in the trial, i.e. that Lana was stealing Tequila from the bar at the House of Blues, BUT that the slinging didn't work, witnesses came forth to say "no way" on that one.

Also, I believe that the defense tried to nail Jackson on the "if that gun was pulled, no matter if an earthquake hit and it went off, it is 2nd degree murder." I "think," not positive, that this was the thing the defense wanted to use for mistrial, that supposedly Jackson's interpretation of the law was incorrect, and the defense took issue. The judge said, "I don't see a big problem with it..." or some such.

So, when Jackson stepped in after lunch break, he did a clean up of that which the judge asked him to clean up. I found it interesting that one of the KTLA viewers said, "Jackson lied!" This was because when Jackson stepped in to do the cleanup, he evidently said, "It just dawned on me that ..." (and then proceeded to clean up the "I" matter.) Well, give me a break... Was Jackson supposed to say, "I have to clean up something with you, the judged asked me to do so..." "It just dawned on me" (if that was Jackson's language, and I don't recall that it was, but perhaps), works for me, it dawned on him how to clean up... I suspect that if Fiddler didn't like the clean up, he'll take care of the matter.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Heya Adnoid, Panthera and MollyMalone...

It was great to have you hop in the thread. I very much appreciated your comments and participation here, good to see your smiling faces

So what are your thoughts on the trial?

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Jeana,

Molly wrote:
>>For the thrill of it? He might have wanted to kill someone to see how it felt, but never before had the balls to actually do so.<<

Jeana wrote:
>>There's no proof of this.<<

Hmmm... Well, I have a strong tendency to believe (due to the facts, Viagra taken, rape of one victim who had the gun pointed at her) that Spector got a huge sexual (where women were concerned) and "wanted" adrenalin rush with a gun in his hand pointed at someone, and that his fantasy was blowing someone away each time he pulled a gun. He did it many times, at many people. He "liked that feel" (or he would not have done it), and I would guess he relished the fantasy of splattering someone. You don't pull/point a gun without knowing that someone could get splattered.

I, and others experienced with guns, know that you don't pull/point a loaded weapon at anyone UNLESS you suspect that deadly force might be the result. My adrenalin rush is at the horror of the possible necessity to pull/point a gun, my horror vision is seeing someone splattered because they forced me to defend my life or that of one of my loved ones. To me this is a huge negative, thus I would never entertain pulling a gun unless being terrorized in the first place and being forced to take such an action.

My belief is that the circumstantial evidence proves that Spector's visions were just the opposite of mine. He did not pull the gun on those women because they were terrorizing him, endangering his life (not in a healthy mind, though his sick mind might have felt terrorized, they were choosing to leave his presence.)

Oh you can bet he, as anyone with a pointed loaded/gun visualized splattering those women and everyone else upon whom he pulled a gun. He drew pictures of gun holes, remember? He pulled many guns on many people. He KNEW what guns could do, he probably studied it -- I'd like to see his library. He was just looking for occasion to terrorize someone with a gun AND he took it when he could. None of those 5 women witnesses were "robbing" or "accosting" him, none of them were in the midst of destroying his property or threatening his life. No...they were merely wanting to leave Spector's presence. You DON'T pull/point a gun for this reason, and when you do...you "see" the possible end result in your mind BEFORE you do so. He liked what he saw, in my opinion.

My belief is that there is circumstantial evidence that points to Spector wanting to kill someone just for the thrill of it. No, wait a minute, maybe not for the "thrill" but due to his mind's necessity that "Every f'ing c word" (or whatever he said) deserves a bullet in their head. He SAID THAT! He said it on more than one occasion.

The evidence shows me that Spector wanted to kill a woman in cold blood. The evidence shows me that he did.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

No real report on today's closing argument so far. I watched as they began and were talking about the situation with Jackson (the mention of PP laughing and waving to friends, his notice of the tequila bottle at Spector's bar.) Ha, I can't remember what happened Things were moving fast at that point.

I watched as LKB got up to go do her closing argument. She put her hand on Spector's shoulder as she raised up to go to the podium and begin. Watching her for a while, I was not particularly stricken. If felt like she was reading much of the time, and I found myself about as interested as when I listen to other people read without much emotion, pauses, emphasis (not very interested.) She put up a slide that said "Seek the Truth," I believe. Throughout the short time that I actually listened to her before falling asleep (yes, asleep), she repeatedly told the jury, something like, "you make the decisions," i.e. its not what I say or they say (the prosecution), you seek the truth. Whoever was putting slides up for her was not doing it in a very timely fashion, that broke any stride that she was trying to get, in my opinion. The slides were not terribly interesting up to the point I fell asleep.

I did see the one slide that has been shown, the one that shows the expulsion of matter from the face due to pressure. Of course, I wasn't impressed with it the first time, finding it a manipulation of reality. You still have to deal with the fact that things only went X distance. The slide of the blood on the handle of the gun went up, and she tried to explain that it couldn't have gotten there without it being exposed, I believe, for spatter. Again, this didn't really impress me, because I believe De Souza's story of Spector running around with the gun, so a defense explanation of such as that does not impress me. The gun was wiped and staged in position, in my opinion, so there isn't much that the defense could show me with the gun that might impress me.

Altogether, during the time I watched, nothing impressed me very much. On the contrary, I couldn't stay awake. Perhaps someone will come in and give their impression of any good points that she might have made. Perhaps one of the reasons I wasn't impressed, is because I believe De Souza and that Spector confessed what he did to Lana. I felt that I sought and heard the truth after De Souza's time on the witness stand.

Has anyone heard if the jurors managed to stay awake or seemed interested?

W

 

[Wrinkles]

Baden discussing that Spector's DNA wasn't on the gun.

[Guess what, it was his gun. Guess what, De Souza saw it in his hand. De Souza wasn't lying and he wasn't mistaken.]

She says Lana liked guns, handled guns, went to the club to shoot guns, was not afraid of guns...

She is talking that Spector didn't magically wipe his DNA off the gun... She reiterates the "we want you to seek the truth."

She is acting like it is foolish, the suggestion that some blood was moved or removed from the gun and done for some sinister reason (SHEEZE...does she think these people are dumb?) She says, blood just kinda comes off a gun, after all many people handled the gun later...

Addressing the notion that Spector tried to stage a suicide, she is saying no expert told that to you...

She reminds that the Alhambra police took her pulse (handled her left wrist.)

Blood in the pocket was "merely" from Spector putting hands in the pocket, he got the blood on his hands when trying to render aid to Lana.

She says, the gun wasn't wiped, and it wasn't staged either...

She's saying that the bruises on Lana's arms were not from a struggle and that probably didn't occur that night. She asks, "How do you have a struggle with two hands and with a gun in your hands?"

There is a slide up that says "Government manipulations" -- LKB is saying that the gov't manipulated things. Also says that the jury's emotions have been played with.

Here she goes with the no blood on the sleeves thing again, oh there was a few lil transfer stains... And we just can't be sure how those transfer stains got there, other people handled it...

The "institutional mind had already been made up in the morning, that this was a homicide and they had their criminal," she says. There is no inculpatory evidence on that jacket, she told. There were no bruises on Spector's body when it was examined, that he had a struggle with a "much bigger Lana." After the murder, took swabs of his hands, none of Lana's blood, but there was Lana's DNA, which she says this proves he didn't wash his hands (or the magic wand was used.) Says he didn't wash his hands in the toilet. Says he wasn't drunk in the morning, that he was as sober as Judge Fiddler.

Mentioning that if a blood alcohol level should have been taken. Mentions that whatever test they took, was not appropriate.

She refers to the "salacious testimony" of Sophia Hoquin (sp?), who testified of Spector's behavior (drunk). Why rely upon her salacious testimony, instead of a test.

She continues... DNA on Spector's scrotum could have come from any number of people, but she says those people weren't with him -- so you judge how that DNA that could have matched Lana got there. Swabs of his genitals, also showed another person's DNA, he was a "busy guy this evening" (LKB said.) They didn't test for Viagra, she said, why not? LKB sums this, "His DNA on her nipple, hers on his scrotum, need I say more."

still listening...

 

[Wrinkles]

Mentioning that the testing etc. was formulated to support only one theory. She tells the jury to go in there and seek the truth from the evidence. Don't go in with an opinion and do what was done here.

Talks about the coronor took 8 months to decide it was a homicide, the scientific evidence didn't support a homicide...so it took them 8 months. It was disingenuous to say that Pena considered her mind set, because he didn't have the information. They say that he wasn't given anything.

Talking about the blood alcohol level of Lana, her Vicodin. She suggested that her fingerprints around the neck of the Tequila bottle was from Lana chugging Tequila that night...

Mentioning that Pena hadn't seen the psychological information. Talking about the psychological autopsy which was suggested at some point. But that they said they had completed their investigation (the DA), she says this is "half of an investigation." So she is saying that Pena didn't have the information about her mental estate, he never saw it.

Bringing up that De Souza said "she needed a drink" (that she wasn't forced to Spector's). LKB trying to deal with the notion that the prosecution would like the jury to think that Lana was forced to go.

LKB is working VERY HARD to say that Pena didn't have the "mental evidence" on Lana to help him with his judgment call on homicide. She isn't being ugly about Pena, just intimating that he didn't have the latter to help him judge.

KTLA people are reiterating some of what I said earlier, LKBs monotone, she is sticking to her script, points are being missed due to it... They are saying, this is the only time that she has to get things out there, she is trying to get as much as she can. One of the gals mentioned what I have been thinking, LKB could use a drama or speaking class. LKBs inflection isn't there...

Bottomline, my take on LKB's work to this point is that she is trying to bring forth points that have already been brought up and, in my mind, have fallen with a huge thud.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

My words in what I am hearing from LKB...

Despite that science shows that this was a suicide, despite that there was to be a psychological autopsy, they didn't want to find the facts, we want you to go in and find out what you see, you search for the truth, you seek the truth.

The gov't wanted this tragic death to be a murder, no one wanted to get in the way of that mindset.

They were fixating on Philip... If they weren't they would have seen these things...

Discussing Lana's drinking, her blackout drinking
[my note: people's blackout drinking doesn't put a bloody gun into another person's hand and make them speak the words "I think I killed somebody." Please remember that jury!]

History of alcohol and drug addiction
Financially distraught
Severely depressed
Pain
Career failure
Rejections for parts
Dream of fame destroyed
Lost a partner, had no children
She even forged letters...serious...
Engaging in reckless activity
Trying to deal with her pain alone, on the brink of bankruptcy
Crying jags
Humiliated, embarassed, desititute
The phone had stopped ringing...

We have tried to give you the full picture... We haven't presented this to besmirch Lana or assassinate her character.

She's laying out Jackson for insinuating the "depressed football" fan thing in Lana's case, rather than looking at a heavy depression in her.

Game face, people can be profoundly depressed and put on a game face... You need to look when something tragic happens, you don't "not look." A psychological autopsy was not done at the proper time.

The science shows that the wound was self inflicted. Was she playing with the gun, practicing for a movie role, acting out a scene, did the gun go off accidentally? (my note: give this a rest, so STUPID!)

You can infer that Spector told her that he had a gun, he didn't secret it i.e. had told other women he carried a gun. However she got the gun, she got it, her DNA was on it, she held it and she ??? the trigger.

Neither Lana or Phil are entirely good or bad, like most of us, they have their flaws. The gov't wants you to think that he is a bad man and hate him. They don't want you to rely on the information and exonerate him. The gov't wants you to think Lana was a happy, vulnerable victim against the evil madman.

Let's talk about Pie, this was Lana's best friend, the prosecution needs to attack Pie to sell their story... If we laugh at Pie, we're laughing at Lana, because she chose her as a best friend for 10 years. The prosecution denegrated anyone that went against their case. The gov't maligned people, they didn't want you to seek the truth like we are asking you to do.

We want you to have all of the facts to take on your map of justice. A trial is about a search for the truth. You discuss your opinions and come to the truth. Why has the gov't treated people like Pie like they have, because they don't have a case, or they have to tear down the witness because they can't tear down their testimony.

She says, "The gov't people have pensions" (discussing their income type situation.) Bringing up about how their experts were ridiculed -- she brings out a book bag and drops 20 pounds of differing books, holding their writings, which is evidently a sign of their value. She brings up that the experts have the same fees for prosecution/defense. She says Jackson was wrong that the experts didn't consider Spector's history, they did.

[my note: Why didn't expert M. Baden provide citations from those books then? KTLA gals bring up the comparisons of the books and the 2 page reports of these experts (written Feb 2007), written within a few days of each other. My goodness, big books, and 2 page reports...hmmmm...]

Govt said that the experts were scripted, but could it be because they have found that which is true? (referring to the 5 identical points that the defense's witnesses came to)

HOLY SMOKES, supposedly Spector threw up his arm to protect himself when Lana shot herself, that's why there is blood on a part of the arm of his jacket. (ugh!)

GSR in lungs, she must have breathed in (oopsie, perhaps the pressure pushed it there?)

Here she tries to waste the De Souza info... LKB brings up his mixing of pronouns, certain verb usage, when he was talking... She goes through certain transcripts pointing out his misuse (or 2nd language use, in my opinion) of English... I find LKBs work on this matter to be a slam against everyone who speaks a 2nd language anywhere, unbelievable, like this guy is stupid or doesn't know what he knows or has seen what he did because he does not articulate it in perfect English...

[Note: Yo, LKB, ask him in his language what he saw and heard, my bet you will hear it with proper pronoun usage and verb usage, IF you speak the language! This portion of LKBs closing was a hugely disparaging bit against those who make the courageous effort to speak English as a 2nd language and who sometimes substitute verbs/pronouns, perhaps not perfectly. No mistake, De Souza knew what he saw.]

The defense KNOWS they have to try to blow De Souza up. If there are any bilingual people on the jury, or those who have attempted to be bilingual, they get the situation, I surely do, I am a Kindergartner when speaking my 2nd language, but that doesn't mean I don't have an adult mind and know what I see. Ask me to express it in my first language, I'll articulate with the proper pronouns and verbs!! BAD ACT LKB, VERY BAD!

I did NOT hear the very end of LKB's argument due to broadband issues... DANG IT! Made me crazy, broadband completely screwed up and was blipping out...

The end of today... The judge and attornies arguing certain bits. It is like the defense is really groping, they want the prosecution to say precisely what they are arguing, you are arguing that he put the gun "in her mouth?" The prosecution and the judge are not going there. This wasn't just some guy brandishing a gun, that gun was pointed at a face/head/brain and ended up in a mouth, and we don't know how, but this was not just a brandishing issue i.e. we don't have to specify a complete theory, the gun was pointed with disregard for human life and went off where it did. I don't quite understand the intricacies of what the defense is trying to fish for here, but it is obvious that they are looking for any and every way to get a mistrial or whatever...

W

 

[Jean]

Wrinkles, Once again, thank you so much for taking the time to keep us updated. My husband was working from home today so I didn't get to watch but about 10 minutes of the closing. I was so glad to see your posts here!

 

[panthera]

Wrinkles ~

Thanks again for today's updates! :clap: :clap: Last night I just saw the first 2 parts of AJ's closing argument from yesterday, since the afternoon session wasn't up on CTV Extra yet. So, I very much appreciate what you've posted.

As for LKB's closing for the defense, it's really sad when your client is so guilty that the only thing you can do is blame and trash the poor victim. Shame on her for resorting to this low tactic.

 

[tezi]

Wrinkles, I just wanted to say thank you for all of your hard work on closing arguments!!!! I almost feel like I am sitting in the courtroom!

I think Spector is going to be found guilty!!!!

 

[Moe]

Thanks again Wrinkles, how you managed to sit through all that baloney is beyond me.

I was just plain disgusted with this CA. Trashing Lana over and over, and DeSousa's treatment just was plain racist. I have a Boston accent, when I travel lots of times people don't know what I"m saying. Does that mean I'm stupid or can't remember what I've seen with my own eyes? I sure hope there are some bilingual jurors, karma coming your way LBK.