GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #1

[katydid23]

In the press conference the other day, they said 3 witnesses - 1) brother, 2) neighbor, and 3) someone who saw something a few days prior.

I think 2 was the woman who recanted, and 3 was the driver of the bloody guy. I think we're down to the brother as the only witness.

:cow:

I hope you are wrong. :frown:

 

[The Cheese]

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No sketch was released after all in the murder of eight-year old Leila Fowler in Valley Springs. Watch the entire... http://fb.me/IpvsmQZg

Raw video of tonight's press conference
[video=youtube;qjDhpJhmc4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjDhpJhmc4g[/video]

 

[eileenhawkeye]

He also said a report from a Central Valley news media outlet Tuesday later picked up by national news sources is erroneous in stating the Sheriff’s Office has determined the suspect entered the home with the intention of killing Fowler.

“Right now, we don’t have any evidence that this was a targeted killing,” Hewitt said.

He added that it also does not appear to have been a burglary or robbery gone awry.

When asked what possible scenarios that leaves, he said “that remains under investigation at this time.”

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Neighborhood-leery-after-Leila-Fowler-killing

 

[The Cheese]

I hope you are wrong. :frown:

Me too, katydid. Me too.

Adding to clarify that even if Leila's brother is the only witness, I consider him just that - a witness - and nothing more.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

“I’m not saying goodbye to Leila, I’m gonna say I’m gonna see you later,” said Leila’s oldest brother, J. Fowler, who then hugged his father, Barney Fowler, and cried.

Fowler had siblings at Jenny Lind, Toyon Middle School and Calaveras High School, according to Campbell.

More info

 

[Linda7NJ]

More...

More? Where is the link for this?


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[eileenhawkeye]

More? Where is the link for this?


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I meant more information from my other posts. The link is: http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Hundreds-mourn

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The parents were at a baseball game when their son, 12, called to tell them an intruder was in their home, Sheriff’s Office spokesman Capt. Jim Macedo said.

The boy briefly pursued the intruder, who then fled the home, Macedo said.

When he went to check on Leila, he found that she had been stabbed.

So that tells me the brother saw the intruder...he ran out...and then he found his sister.

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Hundreds-mourn

 

[TheDuchess]

Woah Nilly!!! Let's back up the truck a bit here. So even if there are no witnesses other than the brother, what difference does that make? What makes anyone think the brother isn't a credible witness? After looking at the home, it appears to be a very spread out community and I would actually be quite surprised if there were any witnesses.

Now we all know how non-credible witness testimony can be. Everyone sees something different. Memories can be confused, etc... It is forensic evidence that solves cases. DNA, fingerprints, blood, etc...

At this point, there is NOTHING to indicate that the brother could be implicated. A 12 year old would have a very difficult time pulling off this crime without getting any blood on his clothes or to successfully wash his clothing or hide his clothing in enough time. I have not heard anything to suggest that he was covered in blood or anything like that.

This was a brutal crime. There was obviously some foreign DNA found at the crime scene which they are using to compare suspects to.

It's just that all of a sudden the supposed witnesses are eliminated and therefore we jump to a conclusion about the brother?

12 year old boys don't stab their little sisters to death on a normal basis. And if they did, I would imagine that there would be considerable issues that would be present beforehand. I can't imagine that a 12 year old could hide that kind of evil from his parents enough to have them watch his sister alone while they are out at a baseball game.

I honestly think that to even entertain the thought that he could have done this is a huge leap. In my opinion, he is a brave little boy who lost his little sister and witnessed great horror and likely feels tremendous guilt. And he is lucky he was not a victim as well.

I stand strong and refuse to even entertain this thought until I hear otherwise. In my opinion, we have a very sick individual out running around somewhere that could strike again at any time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So that tells me the brother saw the intruder...he ran out...and then he found his sister.

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Hundreds-mourn

I see something else


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[Linda7NJ]

Woah Nilly!!! Let's back up the truck a bit here. So even if there are no witnesses other than the brother, what difference does that make? What makes anyone think the brother isn't a credible witness? After looking at the home, it appears to be a very spread out community and I would actually be quite surprised if there were any witnesses.

Now we all know how non-credible witness testimony can be. Everyone sees something different. Memories can be confused, etc... It is forensic evidence that solves cases. DNA, fingerprints, blood, etc...

At this point, there is NOTHING to indicate that the brother could be implicated. A 12 year old would have a very difficult time pulling off this crime without getting any blood on his clothes or to successfully wash his clothing or hide his clothing in enough time. I have not heard anything to suggest that he was covered in blood or anything like that.

This was a brutal crime. There was obviously some foreign DNA found at the crime scene which they are using to compare suspects to.

It's just that all of a sudden the supposed witnesses are eliminated and therefore we jump to a conclusion about the brother?

12 year old boys don't stab their little sisters to death on a normal basis. And if they did, I would imagine that there would be considerable issues that would be present beforehand. I can't imagine that a 12 year old could hide that kind of evil from his parents enough to have them watch his sister alone while they are out at a baseball game.

I honestly think that to even entertain the thought that he could have done this is a huge leap. In my opinion, he is a brave little boy who lost his little sister and witnessed great horror and likely feels tremendous guilt. And he is lucky he was not a victim as well.

I stand strong and refuse to even entertain this thought until I hear otherwise. In my opinion, we have a very sick individual out running around somewhere that could strike again at any time.

Thankfully, 8 year old little girls aren't stabbed to death on a regular basis. It's not "normal" at all.

Regardless who the perpetrator is, that individual is depraved and very sick. On that ...I think everyone can agree.


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[Angelonline]

I meant more information from my other posts. The link is: http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Hundreds-mourn

From the link it appears that the person in the photo has tattooed Lelias name on their arm. I'm so sad for this family and this community.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wish we could hear the 911 calls.


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[tlcya]

Woah Nilly!!! Let's back up the truck a bit here. So even if there are no witnesses other than the brother, what difference does that make? What makes anyone think the brother isn't a credible witness? After looking at the home, it appears to be a very spread out community and I would actually be quite surprised if there were any witnesses.

Now we all know how non-credible witness testimony can be. Everyone sees something different. Memories can be confused, etc... It is forensic evidence that solves cases. DNA, fingerprints, blood, etc...

At this point, there is NOTHING to indicate that the brother could be implicated. A 12 year old would have a very difficult time pulling off this crime without getting any blood on his clothes or to successfully wash his clothing or hide his clothing in enough time. I have not heard anything to suggest that he was covered in blood or anything like that.

This was a brutal crime. There was obviously some foreign DNA found at the crime scene which they are using to compare suspects to.

It's just that all of a sudden the supposed witnesses are eliminated and therefore we jump to a conclusion about the brother?

12 year old boys don't stab their little sisters to death on a normal basis. And if they did, I would imagine that there would be considerable issues that would be present beforehand. I can't imagine that a 12 year old could hide that kind of evil from his parents enough to have them watch his sister alone while they are out at a baseball game.

I honestly think that to even entertain the thought that he could have done this is a huge leap. In my opinion, he is a brave little boy who lost his little sister and witnessed great horror and likely feels tremendous guilt. And he is lucky he was not a victim as well.

I stand strong and refuse to even entertain this thought until I hear otherwise. In my opinion, we have a very sick individual out running around somewhere that could strike again at any time.

:hug: Whoa nelly! I know how you feel, I feel protective too.

No one has suggested the brother is not a credible witness. But we also well know how the online community works. While we here are minding our Ps and Qs out there it is the wild wild west. The "oh no"s and the s indicate not accusations but acknowledgement that things are about to get ugly for this child on the web. Not here. Our mods would never allow it. And with folks who are sensitive to the brother's plight such as you and I and others following this thread that will not happen here. If it began we would simply behave as good Websleuths and alert offending or irresponsible posts.

We are same page friend. All will be well.

 

[TheDuchess]

Thankfully, 8 year old little girls aren't stabbed to death on a regular basis. It's not "normal" at all.

Regardless who the perpetrator is, that individual is depraved and very sick. On that ...I think everyone can agree.


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Definitely agree with that! I was just trying to say that this is such a sick and depraved crime I have a very difficult time believing it could have been done by a 12 year old kid who would have been trusted to care for his sister.

I definitely picture a tall creepy looking fellow with longish gray stringy hair. Someone who is likely known to be creepy.:twocents:

 

[CNNAnh]

Raw Video Calaveras County News Conference on Murdered Eight Year Old Girl
[video=youtube;qjDhpJhmc4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjDhpJhmc4g[/video]
I just watch this.
Remember the person that said he give a bloody man a ride.
This is a true story, that person did not lie.

Watch the Youtube at 3:45 and hear the sheriff speak.
The sheriff said that, they have already check into that. Talk to the person who report, and also check and talk the bloody man, and track address where he was drop off. Sheriff said that that man just happen to injured, the blood was from an personal injury, and it not related to Leila's case. The sheriff also said that they rule out that bloody man as a suspect. So maybe it just coincidentally.

So that was not 5 minutes of frame, it is true. I don't think anymore would dare to toy with the police in the murder case like this.

Um, I just post a Youtube Link, and a Youtube video show up embred. When I log in as member, I can see the video embred. But when I log out view as Guest, I only see the link. Umm?

 

[SCHMAE]

I wish we could hear the 911 calls.


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I don't. I'm through with traumatic 911 calls. Every time I hear one, I wonder why the news plays them and wish I could UNhear it . Today there was a local murder, very gruesome. A surviving child called 911 and the local news said it's too traumatizing for us to play. They instead showed the words but never played the recording and I thought thanks. Even reading the child's words were difficult . I think it's great that they are recorded and used to prosecute, but they seem too intimate for the public and I don't know why we need to hear them. I must be getting soft in my old age.
I'm just checking the threads before bed and really hoped they had a good lead on Leila's killer

 

[TheDuchess]

:hug: Whoa nelly! I know how you feel, I feel protective too.

No one has suggested the brother is not a credible witness. But we also well know how the online community works. While we here are minding our Ps and Qs out there it is the wild wild west. The "oh no"s and the s indicate not accusations but acknowledgement that things are about to get ugly for this child on the web. Not here. Our mods would never allow it. And with folks who are sensitive to the brother's plight such as you and I and others following this thread that will not happen here. If it began we would simply behave as good Websleuths and alert offending or irresponsible posts.

We are same page friend. All will be well.

Hugs...not many cases have affected me this much. I typically follow a lot of cases and am typically confused when I hear that people cry about these things. I generally do not. Sure I feel bad and my heart goes out to victims. But this is the first case I really honestly feel like crying. I just can't imagine the grief this family is going through right now. And you are right-the wild wild west will chew him up and spit him out and that's what scares me for him.

I know this is the best forum out there full of respectful caring people and I'm glad to be here.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

In 2011, there were 37 girls between the ages of 5-8 who were murdered.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2

13 victims (boys and girls) between the ages of 5-8 were stabbed to death:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-9

Here's a chart about the relationship between the killer and victim:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc....-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10

 

[tlcya]

our hearts are on our sleeves with this one Duchess. Nothing wrong with that.