GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

[The Cheese]

Laura Anthony ‏@LauraAnthony7 11m
Friends of 12 yr old Valley Springs boy arrested for killing 8 it old sister call him both "happy go lucky" and "troubled," often suspended.

 

[menmo]

And...you can still love them and not visit...in my opinion.

Thank God my kids haven't been in trouble but I've always told them I love them, I always will (it's not something I have any control over), but I would never, ever come to visit them or send them supplies if they ended up in jail or prison. It's not somewhere I ever want or will choose to be and no one but no one will drag me there. Love them? Yes. Be a part of that life? Absolutely not.

MOO

 

[Claudette]

Most very young kid killers actually do not go on to kill again. Mary Bell, the most disturbing of killer kids, killed two boys but never killed again. She was 10 and 11 when she lured and murdered two very young boys (4 and 3). It was premeditated. This most likely was a crime of passion.

Kid killers are so rare that it's hard to have any kind of profile.

 

[TheDuchess]

I don't get this argument. A killer on death row at least knows how much time they have left to seek forgiveness if they are so inclined, which is far more than most of them gave their victims.

I never said it was an argument. I am just explaining my feelings and beliefs. That is all. I realize not everyone will agree with me. Although I do see your point as well.

 

[MsFacetious]

If I had donated, it would only be for Leila's funeral expenses, clothing for the family to attend. NOT to defend a murderer. If the public isn't given a choice on whether or not their donation is spent on a defense for their son, they have a right to be upset and want their money back.

Regarding whether he gets a "full and fair" defense? I couldn't care less. I don't care why, I don't care what's wrong with him.

I don't think I'm out of the ordinary in feeling that way either.

If you want your money used for a funeral, donate to the funeral home.
If you want your money used for gas, donate gas cards.
If you want your money used for clothing, donate gift cards to clothing stores.

No reason to donate cash straight to the family if you want it used for something very specific.
If you hand cash to someone you can't tell them what to do with it. It just doesn't work that way.

That is like handing money to the homeless man on the corner and then being angry when he buys vodka.
If you want him to have food, give him food. If you want him to have clothes, give him clothes. :twocents:

I have never understood when people get upset over how something they donated is used.
You gave up that right when you DONATED it. Donate what you WANT used or just don't donate.

I would be pretty mad if someone gave me a gift and then tried to dictate what I could do with it. :twocents:

 

[TheDuchess]

FWIW Crystal has finally pulled down her FB account.

 

[vasportsmom]

Laura Anthony ‏@LauraAnthony7 14m
Leila Fowler's step grandmother tells ABC 7 News "In one family we have a victim and a suspect. It's devastating."

I honestly don't know how this family is going to get through this. How do you forgive one young child for the horrific murder of another? I don't think I could reconcile my love for one child with my desire to have justice for the other. I suspect there will be a lot of fractured relationships within the family when this is over with.

 

[TheDuchess]

If you want your money used for a funeral, donate to the funeral home.
If you want your money used for gas, donate gas cards.
If you want your money used for clothing, donate gift cards to clothing stores.

No reason to donate cash straight to the family if you want it used for something very specific.
If you hand cash to someone you can't tell them what to do with it. It just doesn't work that way.

That is like handing money to the homeless man on the corner and then being angry when he buys vodka.
If you want him to have food, give him food. If you want him to have clothes, give him clothes. :twocents:

I have never understood when people get upset over how something they donated is used.
You gave up that right when you DONATED it. Donate what you WANT used or just don't donate.

I would be pretty mad if someone gave me a gift and then tried to dictate what I could do with it. :twocents:

Yes-that is right. Unless the place who took your money said it was to be used for one specific purpose and it was used for something completely different. If these types of issues are a major concern for a donator-they should be careful to read any fine print or look up the charter, etc...

In this case, it seemed to be a general fund that was opened up to assist the family-there never seemed to be any specific promises as to what the money was to be spent on either.

Also, people should remember that often times, a fund raiser may actually end up raising more funds than actually required. At that point-I would imagine the fund would be closed, but any excess funds could be spent on whatever the family would like.

 

[vasportsmom]

FWIW Crystal has finally pulled down her FB account.

That is very good news. Her recent activity was out of line and only adding to the negative speculation and rumor surrounding these young children.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

FWIW Crystal has finally pulled down her FB account.

That's a good idea considering that CNN was making news stories out of her posts.

Hmmm...remember back in the beginning of the case, CNN claimed that Crystal had told them "We are devastated. And she was full of life. Look at our baby girl, she didn't deserve this." through FB? Now I am wondering if she posted that on her personal FB page and they just pretended that she had actually communicated with them?

 

[Kaliste]

I honestly don't know how this family is going to get through this. How do you forgive one young child for the horrific murder of another? I don't think I could reconcile my love for one child with my desire to have justice for the other. I suspect there will be a lot of fractured relationships within the family when this is over with.

This family already seems to have some fractured relationships. I really hope those kids get plenty of therapy and support.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Ed Kemper killed both his grandparents at 15, was incarcerated and released, then went on to become a serial killer before murdering his mom and handing himself in ...

Edmund Kemper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[michmi]

If you want your money used for a funeral, donate to the funeral home.
If you want your money used for gas, donate gas cards.
If you want your money used for clothing, donate gift cards to clothing stores.

No reason to donate cash straight to the family if you want it used for something very specific.
If you hand cash to someone you can't tell them what to do with it. It just doesn't work that way.

That is like handing money to the homeless man on the corner and then being angry when he buys vodka.
If you want him to have food, give him food. If you want him to have clothes, give him clothes. :twocents:

I have never understood when people get upset over how something they donated is used.
You gave up that right when you DONATED it. Donate what you WANT used or just don't donate.

I would be pretty mad if someone gave me a gift and then tried to dictate what I could do with it. :twocents:

I believe the bulk of the money was donated BEFORE the arrest, so the general public was genuinely trying to help with expenses for the death of their daughter. Envisioning the hiring of a defense attorney wasn't on the radar.

But I'll keep that in mind the next time someone needs a donation.

 

[katydid23]

I don't believe parenting calls for unconditional "support". It does call for unconditional love. You can still love your child and visit on Sundays or whenever he can have visits.

I am sure I would still love the 'little boy' that I knew as my son. But it would be hard to feel love for him in that moment or on those Sunday visits, if he stabbed my daughter to death. :cry:

 

[Davereid]

I think before they complain about where their money is going they should wait and see what the family is going to do. They may not support him or he may plead guilty. Right now no one knows what they are going to do and are speculating. That is why I disagree with them wanting their money back. Their little girl was murdered and that will never change. For all we know they could start a fund for crime victims in her name. In my opinion it is just in bad taste to publicly state you want your donation back right now before you know anything.

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[eileenhawkeye]

A 12-year-old boy killing his 8-year-old sister is so shocking that this arrest has made headlines in the UK, China, Australia, Singapore, France, Canada, New Zealand, India, Guam, Turkey, Malaysia, and probably many others.

 

[TheDuchess]

Ed Kemper killed both his grandparents at 15, was incarcerated and released, then went on to become a serial killer before murdering his mom and handing himself in ...

Edmund Kemper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WOW...I just got lost in reading up on this guy....I never heard his story...that is one demented twisted guy!

 

[QuestionMark]

I hope no one helped this boy cover up the crime.... Jmo

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I believe the bulk of the money was donated BEFORE the arrest, so the general public was genuinely trying to help with expenses for the death of their daughter. Envisioning the hiring of a defense attorney wasn't on the radar.

But I'll keep that in mind the next time someone needs a donation.

I am just jumping off your post...

I don't believe we have heard that the family was even considering spending the donations on defense expenses....

This seems to me a hypothetical situation... At the moment...

However... The possibility has given me a chance to think through some of the more ambiguous areas in decision making leading to making donations...

JMO....

 

[tlcya]

If you want your money used for a funeral, donate to the funeral home.
If you want your money used for gas, donate gas cards.
If you want your money used for clothing, donate gift cards to clothing stores.

No reason to donate cash straight to the family if you want it used for something very specific.
If you hand cash to someone you can't tell them what to do with it. It just doesn't work that way.

That is like handing money to the homeless man on the corner and then being angry when he buys vodka.
If you want him to have food, give him food. If you want him to have clothes, give him clothes. :twocents:

I have never understood when people get upset over how something they donated is used.
You gave up that right when you DONATED it. Donate what you WANT used or just don't donate.

I would be pretty mad if someone gave me a gift and then tried to dictate what I could do with it. :twocents:

thanks button didn't quite cover it.