CA CA - Los Angeles, WhtMale 30-45, UP3713, cyanide suicide in hotel room, Oct'93

[Mazama]

Seif, are you talking about the marking that comes from a smallpox vaccination? If the UID was at the later end of the age ranges given on the NamUS site (30-45), it is still possible that the mark is from him having received that vaccination here in the US too. My Mother, Father, Aunts, and Uncles all had one on their upper arms. Although I wonder, would the vaccination been given in another portion of the body in the UK/Europe? I know that when I was working in a pediatrician's office, we gave all of our shots either in the thighs or the deltiods (upper arm muscle).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine

Note in the Wikipedia article it looks like the vaccination was given in the upper scapula area... Interesting... Or is that just a poorly cropped picture and it really is the deltiod... Man, i shouldnt be looking at this stuff at 3:30 in the morning... LOL

Just thought I would throw this in: my mothers pediatrician always gave his male patients the vaccination in the arm and his female patients received it in the upper thigh. We were all born in California.

Maz

:cow:

 

[Snufamonbobball]

Here's someone I bumped into today- I would figure they'd have already run fingerprints, but I thought I'd throw him out there and get some feedback.

Anthony Dewater
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/cac/dewater_ak.htm

UID
http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=L&unid_case_num=1993-09767

https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/3713

Side by Side

 

[carbuff]

That one looks very close to me, Snuff. Height and weight are much closer, and I think the face is good too.

 

[CarlK90245]

Overall, looks very close. Eyebrows and brow ridges match very closely.

The noses look different, but the ridge above the UID's nose looks unnatural. I am not sure if that is some poor photoshop work (which would seem unnecessary for a death by cyanide poisoning), or if his nose really has that strange indentation. BTW, judging by the other UID's on L.A. County's website, it doesn't look that they bother to photoshop their morgue photos.

DeWater's hair is a bit greyer, and he is 2" taller. I wonder if he is married. The UID was wearing a wedding band.

My gut feel is that they are not the same person.


BTW, I live only a couple of miles from the Century Blvd hotels (which are next to the LAX Airport). They are almost entirely occupied by airport travelers, so the UID could be from anywhere in the world. Travelers using other modes of transportation would probably not be staying on Century Blvd.

Would a fugitive be traveling by airline given his fugitive status? I would think that the airport passenger screening would catch a wanted fugitive.

 

[Cymro]

I'm not sure about the grayness of the hair - the UID has shorter hair and there is less light on it than in Dewater's photo - and I can't see the indentation in the nose as the photo quality's not very good. I do agree that the photo is unlikely to be shopped and the height difference definitely concerns me - I can't rule it out but I certainly don't get the "that's him!" feeling from this one.

It seems unusual for a suspected pedophile to be married but he could be - or the wedding band could be a decoy.

As for the fact that the UID was in an airport hotel - this guy clearly wasn't traveling further even if he'd just flown in. He also wanted anonymity due to the fact that he had no ID or identifying possessions on him (although a BMW key might have been traceable via an ID number, but maybe not back then).

But as an out of towner in LA, or if you were on the run, it would make sense to be in an airport hotel.

LAX is a pretty safe part of town, rates are reasonable (airport hotels tend to run cheaper than downtown or "name" areas), you get a whole lot of anonymity, you can ask a cab driver for a ride to one without attracting any attention by not knowing where you're going (not suspicious in itself but makes you more memorable if you're on the nightly news later) and pre-internet it's a part of town where he'd have known in advance that he could actually find a hotel.

 

[Billylee]

I tend to agree the nose space between the eyebrows seems much wider on the wanted man and his chin seems much wider and appears to have somewhat of a cleft. Also the hair seems off to me too. The UID's body hair is very dark.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

Just keep the UID in mind, he's another cyanide suicide.

BMW key, decent area for a hotel, cyanide, doesn't seem transient, wedding ring, relatively young, hummm.. seems like someone would have missed him, but I guess to me all the UID should have been missed by someone.

 

[Billylee]

Just keep the UID in mind, he's another cyanide suicide.

BMW key, decent area for a hotel, cyanide, doesn't seem transient, wedding ring, relatively young, hummm.. seems like someone would have missed him, but I guess to me all the UID should have been missed by someone.

Yes, and just where are all these folks getting cyanide? I thought it was hard to come by????

 

[Snufamonbobball]

How about Perry Grant Matheson from Vermont. His height is off by 2 inches, and he was 51. The upper age range is 45, so he'd be off by a few years. But on the + side: Timing good, Nose better than the rest, Emotionally distraught, I can't see his brow line well though.

:twocents::twocents: Even with the Vermont picture being from 1978, I like this guy more than any of the other possibles.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/matheson.html

http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=L&unid_case_num=1993-09767

 

[Billylee]

How about Perry Grant Matheson from Vermont. His height is off by 2 inches, and he was 51. The upper age range is 45, so he'd be off by a few years. But on the + side: Timing good, Nose better than the rest, Emotionally distraught, I can't see his brow line well though.

:twocents::twocents: Even with the Vermont picture being from 1978, I like this guy more than any of the other possibles.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/matheson.html

http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=L&unid_case_num=1993-09767

Nose is better, but the eye color is wrong.

 

[carbuff]

I remember reading about this guy when we lived in NH.

How about Perry Grant Matheson from Vermont. His height is off by 2 inches, and he was 51. The upper age range is 45, so he'd be off by a few years. But on the + side: Timing good, Nose better than the rest, Emotionally distraught, I can't see his brow line well though.

:twocents::twocents: Even with the Vermont picture being from 1978, I like this guy more than any of the other possibles.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/matheson.html

http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=L&unid_case_num=1993-09767

His eyes and eyebrows have that same slightly askew look. I wouldn't rule out based on just eye color. That's frequently off, and I've read on several threads that blue eyes often seem darker after death. I do wonder whether the resemblance isn't being increased by the fact that it's a somewhat dated picture, taken when Matheson was about the same age as the UID. But age ranges are only estimates.

Wish I could remember where on the Kankamagus they found the car. If it wasn't too far out of Conway, he could have walked in, picked up a bus to an airport, and flown to CA. Otherwise the geography seems weird.

Of course, if he was in a place he was supposed to be in, they would have figured it out by now.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

I remember reading about this guy when we lived in NH.



His eyes and eyebrows have that same slightly askew look. I wouldn't rule out based on just eye color. That's frequently off, and I've read on several threads that blue eyes often seem darker after death. I do wonder whether the resemblance isn't being increased by the fact that it's a somewhat dated picture, taken when Matheson was about the same age as the UID. But age ranges are only estimates.

Wish I could remember where on the Kankamagus they found the car. If it wasn't too far out of Conway, he could have walked in, picked up a bus to an airport, and flown to CA. Otherwise the geography seems weird.

Of course, if he was in a place he was supposed to be in, they would have figured it out by now.

Just so you know, Cyanide Guy has blue eyes- His NamUs file is complete and correct.
Although, I do think Cyanide Guy appears younger than 51. It's his nose I like, it seems to tip downwards at the end.

https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/3713

 

[Billylee]

Just so you know, Cyanide Guy has blue eyes- His NamUs file is complete and correct.
Although, I do think Cyanide Guy appears younger than 51.

https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/3713

Well that's an eyeball of a different color! lol

I wonder why the coroner report says brown and the namus says blue? If Namus isn't getting that info from the coroner where the heck is it coming from? If that happens a lot then it would be throwing all of us off! No?

Anyway, I agree that cyanide guy looks younger to me also, like maybe late 30's early 40's. Also, the forehead and eyes don't look quite the same to me, nor the ears lying so close to the head, but it's so hard to tell. I do think the nose and chin/jaw line is a a good match. Wonder why this Vermont guy would turn up in LA? Who knows?

 

[Billylee]

This guy looks like cyanide guy to me. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...&gl=us&sig=AHIEtbQTDwtH222t54AeUWKaupGeSdWuWw

The weight is off, but this guy disappeared when he was only 23. (I wonder if he killed his buddy and has been on the run since?) They say he had a tattoo on his chest though and I don't see anything about tattoos? I'm just throwing him in because he looks so much like him to me.

 

[Cymro]

Perry appears to have the mother of all combovers. After 15 years I doubt he could do the closely cropped hair of the UID.

 

[smart blonde]

It is the COD that intrigues me. Cyanide poisoning? This is a tough way to go...in my mind it is reserved for spies and serial killers who are trying to avoid their fate...you know, the net is closing in type stuff.

OFF TOPIC- When I was a teenager, one of my closest friend's mom was murdered by the mom's boyfriend.

It was a murder-suicide. He (Pete) actually forced cyanide down the mom's throat, which killed her, and then tried to swallow it himself- but chickened out when it started burning his mouth and throat, so he finished himself off with a gun. That's what the detective's said.

He had made a big deal about renting a cabin (in Utah) for just the two of them that week-end, like it was going to be a romantic get-away for them. My friend (Kara) was spending the week-end at my house (my parent's house) when this happened.

She (Carole) left behind three kids (my friend was the oldest).

Vicious. I'm sorry, I haven't thought of this in years.

That is the only 'experience' I have regarding cyanide. It would be a brutal way to die.

 

[Billylee]

Yeah, cyanide man wore a wedding ring. Why isn't his wife looking for him. Or did she kill him? Or did she die first so he committed suicide. How do they know it was a suicide? Was there a note? I didn't read that anywhere. If it was suicide and they found a BMW key on him, where in the heck is the car? If it was murder, why leave a key on him, or was it oversight? weird.

 

[Billylee]

Perry appears to have the mother of all combovers. After 15 years I doubt he could do the closely cropped hair of the UID.

You know Perry's hair looks the opposite to me, looks to me he had so much hair it was out of control. JMO And cyanide man's hair looks thin to me, of course we all thin out and gain weight as we age, unfortunately. But, like I said, I don't think you can ever totally get rid of a tattoo can you?

 

[webrocket]

when I tried to click to the original Namus link in this thread, it came back as dead.

here is the current Namus profile for the UID, no rule outs:

https://identifyus.org/cases/3713

brief description is a WM, 30-45, 5'9", 182 lbs., brown hair, blue eyes. no images at Namus now.

I don't know how a suicide by cyanide would lead to post-mortem loss of teeth but that is what the dental section says.

one last comment, this was set up as a possible match for Sean Durkin from the UK and at least 2 others have been discussed as possible matches.

 

[Ambercat]

I believe one of the articles (in a posting above) said his vehicle was a Volvo. That is the one found at the airport.
The unidentified was man had a key to a BMW.

I searched NamUs for men who went missing whose vehicle was a BMW. The only person who showed up as going missing prior to October 23, 1993 and his transportation was a BMW is Mark Tomich https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5532/2/
He doesn't look at all like the man in Los Angeles, in my opinion.