Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #1 *Arrest*

[IBsleuthin]

Question about the dogs...

Could it be that the dogs that were brought in were not cadaver dogs...so they wouldn't have hit on her scent in the recycle bin, because it was deceased???

I have no idea how this works...so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

It's not a stupid question at all but I'm just warning you...brace for the impact.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I just cannot get over the fact that they didn't look in the dumpsters FIRST???

That in all the interviews and photos and all of that activity, there she was in the dumpster?

Wow, 101 folks, 101.

 

[Steleheart]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but the wording you chose here really comes across as condescending. "So apparently this ARTSY community....


Maybe the rawness of this crime has me reading you wrong.

There is no link to any diagnosis by a qualified professional.


MOO

 

[HarvestMoon]

Exactly...Then, he rapes & strangles his 8 yo "close" and "great friend."

8 years old, third grade.

 

[epiphany]

I am wondering about the timeline too. I know someone posted earlier that there may be dumpster shoots on each floor of the apartments, that makes it possible for him to have kept her in his room until his unsuspecting family slept and he dropped her down the shoot. Do we know if she was in a bag? I'm sure the apartment is teeming with evidence, no way he could have cleaned up everything without being noticed.

RBBM

Stated at presser he carried her body downstairs to the recycle bin/dumpster

Reporters asked quest or two about clothing and/or her body wrapped in anything in dumpster, but stated would not provide details now

 

[LinasK]

Yes, that is true that they have always been around...I was gonna say something about things being "sketchy" sometimes, but we were young and invincible! (Of course, the "sketchy" word was not part of our vernacular at the time! LOL!!)

But I don't have kids...and don't live in California anymore. But I know my friends still take their kids, it a favorite spot for some. And it makes my heart happy when I see pics on FB of them there!!! But I don't know if they would let their teenagers go by themselves the way our parents did. Our parents biggest fear was Hwy 17!!!

I hear you about Highway 17- the windiness scares me to death. I've had to drive my daughter and myself a couple of times last year when DH couldn't go... It also makes me carsick and I'm prone to migraines. The one time we had to stay over at his niece's house because the migraine got so bad I barfed a couple of times and couldn't have driven Highway 17 to get home. DD isn't old enough to drive yet.
Oh, and the best part-JK- as I'm stuck in traffic on 17, I get a call on the bluetooth from my cell phone soliciting me for money as an alumni of my colleges!

 

[Wendy101]

I hope FBI is interviewing all the other lil girls that live there! My guess there are more victims that are scared to tell :/

 

[Starry Night]

Am thinking/conjecturing his parents were not home when it happened at the apartment-he may have carried her down in a trash bag and dumped her.

 

[epiphany]

Am thinking/conjecturing his parents were not home when it happened at the apartment-he may have carried her down in a trash bag and dumped her.

Yes, either DA or LE official, one of them, stated that he was alone in the apartment with her. No one else was inside with him at time of her murder.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just cannot get over the fact that they didn't look in the dumpsters FIRST???

That in all the interviews and photos and all of that activity, there she was in the dumpster?

Wow, 101 folks, 101.

My hunch is that at FIRST they were looking for a lost child so they were moving quickly to find her.

Later, when there was no sign of her anywhere, it became looking for body/crime scene/evidence. LE could then slow down and be more methodical in their search and movements.

JMO

 

[HarvestMoon]

Yes Amster I believe they were friends as this was a community where all were involved together and created for the greater good. Or at least tried too.

While I'm sure they didn't hang out and play as in how little girls play but I'm sure he helped watch the younger ones playing, minding them or keeping an eye as most members of a community do. I read that he helped in environmental clean ups or the such so I'm sure the younger ones looked up to the teens in this complex. There is no one to blame for this but the young man who committed this horrific act. Two families are forever changed and this beautiful community will never be the same.



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You're right, the community is never the same. For me Petaluma is 4ever about little Polly Klass. I think of her in Kenwood where she was assaulted, and Cloverdale where she was left.

 

[T4Tide]

My kids can play in our yard, but only because I live in the middle of 70 rural acres. I won't let my 8 or 12 year old ride up to the road to even check the mail.

I was "friends" with my male, teenage neighbor, too, when I was 4-7. Thankfully, I was just molested and not murdered.

 

[Starry Night]

Some apartment complexes have outside dumpsters-and some have a central garbage building where you can also dump trash-AND some of those apartments have combination dumpster/trash compactors. Apparently this boy knew where to find the enclosed dumpster at the bottom of his own building-near the mailboxes. You can walk through the door and not be seen. I can't see how this enclosed area was overlooked though.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

My thought is that they have survallence of him carrying her in some sort of bag to the recycling bin, and when they found her in it that's how they knew to arrest him specifically. JMO and I'm sure there's a LOT more to it

 

[bellesnwhistles]

My kids can play in our yard, but only because I live in the middle of 70 rural acres. I won't let my 8 or 12 year old ride up to the road to even check the mail.

I was "friends" with my male, teenage neighbor, too, when I was 4-7. Thankfully, I was just molested and not murdered.

So sorry that happened to you. It something that unfortunately probably happens without people knowing or even worrying about it all the time.

 

[Jenelle]

I have a 12.5 year old son and we have all our computers locked up tight with k-9 as well as internet turned off his phone that he JUST got with a code that only my husband knows. However, I still worry about what videos other kids could text him. I wish porn was outlawed. I know it's a free country, but it's causing so many problems. Also, video games. We only allow E for everyone and only on the weekends, but I'm not certain he's not sneaking things through amazon.com at other kids' homes who have smart TVs. We are so technologically advanced it's getting impossible to keep up. So what do we do, just keep telling parents you have to police your kids so adults can keep having their sadistic porn and murder characters in character through super realistic video games?!! Not to mention these games and porn are ruining grown men as well as our teens. Families being torn up by porn addictions and the man next door becoming a rapist or pedophile like its a hobby such as golf. There's NO good that comes from porn and realistically violent video games, so why not outlaw it. And no, I'm not a Glenn beck follower. I still think we should protect the right to bear arms but why keep porn around? I mourn for my children. The world they are growing up in is so so evil and twisted.

You have summed up everything I was thinking but could not say. Thank you. People are very naive when it comes to this topic not understanding the true extent of what is going on.

 

[Amster]

Yes Amster I believe they were friends as this was a community where all were involved together and created for the greater good. Or at least tried too.

While I'm sure they didn't hang out and play as in how little girls play but I'm sure he helped watch the younger ones playing, minding them or keeping an eye as most members of a community do. I read that he helped in environmental clean ups or the such so I'm sure the younger ones looked up to the teens in this complex. There is no one to blame for this but the young man who committed this horrific act. Two families are forever changed and this beautiful community will never be the same.


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Fine....to each his own....but calling a place with a "heroin highway" behind the apt. bldg. a "beautiful community"? Kids confined to just certain places because of the unsavory characters hanging around? The long list of RSO's in close proximity?

 

[justwannahelp]

Where can they play? The backyard and in the house, or out front but supervised. I drive my daughter everywhere and even volunteer frequently to drive her friends home from school so that I know they get there safely. I think it's BS that they won't develop properly if you are a helicopter parent.

Now days, the back yard for many families is a public green area shared by many homes or a centrally located area in the middle of the neighborhood /more like a front yard. You can't ride scooters in your back yard. Or it's an apt complex parking lot.

It's sad that kids can't play like they used to. Parents are now having to police internet, police bike ridding, police text messaging, police tv, police the settings of their kids' friends' internet. It has to be impossible for two full time working parents to juggle all that policing, plus dinner, plus homework, plus extracurricular activities. In fact, I'm certain it would be for a full time working mother with multiple children. There aren't enough hours in the day. When my 7 year old rode her scooter, I was usually coking dinner or tutoring my 12.5 year old in math all the while making sure my 13 year old wasn't on some stupid website called hawrse- supposedly innocent but there's chatting so definitely not, while making sure my 3 year old wasn't doing something crazy. My husband works until 8pm some nights, so those hours at home with all 4 kids are hectic and yes, I allowed my 7 year old to ride her scooter on the sidewalk in front of our home and the two neighbor's homes.

Unplugging completely and living off the grid would make it possible I guess. There wouldn't be much to police.

I do think kids - especially Boys- that aren't ever allowed to bike ride, walk over to the neighborhood pool etc without their parents hovering over them are more likely to be that kid that can't ever get out their own way, thus ends up living at their parents home the rest of their lives- which is another bizarre new trend.

You drop A kid off on a huge college campus that has never ridden his bike unsupervised and has been ninnied all his life, he's likely to fail, go wild at the mere scent of freedom, or return home still needing his momma to raise him until he's in his late 30s. But hey, that kid is alive- he wasn't strangled by a predator. It's not easy raising kids in the state of the world we live in. They can't go to the movies now either 😞.

I don't know. I guess we are getting off topic, but either way, I have to say that there's really NOT an easy answer. I respect both sides as well as see pitfalls in both sides. There's no perfect answer/method

 

[SCHMAE]

I hope FBI is interviewing all the other lil girls that live there! My guess there are more victims that are scared to tell :/

God help them There is a good reason they think this was not his first victim. Poor things.

 

[Paulas88]

I wonder what the circumstances are that will allow a teenage boy to be charged as
an adult? Hmmm

What did he lure sweet Madyson with? A piece of cake, kitten, video game? Did he think he was/could get away with it?