Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #2 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

I can't help but wondering...

Since some children are born with missing and/or deformed physical features...(limbs, etc.)...

Can psychopaths be born with missing brain parts?

One can be seen... The other cannot be "seen"... Yet the effects can be witnessed?

Just a thought...

Yes, damaged or underdeveloped areas, like the centers responsible for impulse control, rage etc. Dr. Robert Hare has written books on the neuroanatomy of criminals. PET scans and other tests like MRI's, CAT scans can "see" these differences between them and normal brains. Some of the areas of anatomical difference in the brain are the amygdala and the frontal lobes.
Here's one article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1524500.stm

 

[Peppery]

i had thought this may be true when they announced trying him as an adult.

he will still have parole hearings. if he gets 25L that doesnt mean he gets out if her family attends all his parole hearings. manson is still in prison.

And her family will be re-victimized every time they have to go to his hearings and relive the horror of his crime.



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[Paulas88]

The video of AG getting ice cream out of the freezer... it's just mind blowing, this is
what he lured her with. EVIL, EVIL. I'm thinking he's been fantasizing about this for a along time. I believe he is a PSYCHOPATH.

 

[LinasK]

For me, he seems to fit the psychopath or sociopath mold based on some things I've read about him hanging around and asking the police questions. And possibly even joining in on the search. That...added to how disgusting the crimes were...make him fit the mold, in my opinion.

And manipulating/grooming her by playing with her alone, then inviting her in for ice cream.

 

[human]

The psychologist in this article says that he isn't a sociopath because he recognizes his weaknesses. Beats me. What is he then?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...z-disturbing-details-emerge-about-suspect-how

 

[gngr~snap]

The psychologist in this article says that he isn't a sociopath because he recognizes his weaknesses. Beats me. What is he then?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...z-disturbing-details-emerge-about-suspect-how

"What's counter to a sociopath is that a sociopath wouldn't write about his weaknesses," Luke said. "He's got some insight, but a sociopath doesn't show himself as a victim."

Well, I'll be darned! I learn something new everyday!

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[Julpal]

Yes, psychopathy doesn't sit well with me. He was too nervous, distressed. His ig posts go against the typical psychopath criteria. As a psychology major still very much in the beginning learning phase, I am very curious what will be uncovered.
And this case in particular has touched me, as my daughter, the exact same age and very like Maddy, plays outside on her scooter, and I peek at her through the windows but it's not constant. I explained to my daughters today to trust no one. Not even family or friends. I must know where they are at all times. My heart hurts so much from this. The most terrifying part is that, I believe, really no one had any preconceived notion that he was capable of this. He seemed normal...

 

[blefuscu]

I agree. He's neither sociopathic or psychopathic. His Instagram posts showed he has far too much personal insight. He knew he felt depressed. A sociopath isn't going to display his feeling weak and a psychopath wouldn't recognise the feeling.

 

[gitana1]

Not liking that I'm thinking of this so much. But all I can see is that little freckled face. Dam it. I hate when this happens.

On another note, I looked up this Donnie Darko movie, even has child in it. Why are movies like this made? What's the point? I was flipping thru the channels last night and saw True Detective. It's violent. We really don't need all of these violent shows/movies. It's gone too far. (and I'm no prude) But, enough is enough.

Donnie Darko is a super cool, intellectual and curious movie. It's a cult classic. It is about philosophy, reality, suburbia, youth, and much more. It doesn't have actual child in it. It has a character who is a pedophile and who is characterized as a disgusting human. The movie does not glorify it at all.

Further, just because the song was in the movie doesn't mean this kid saw the movie. The song is extremely popular, or was in the 80's, and is also a fantastic song.

Finally, millions of teens have watched that movie and listened to that song and developed zero urges to harm anyone. Please do not censor the world out of fear. Some of us like art that isn't boring and mediocre.

 

[LinasK]

Very interesting article about AJG's past.

"A handful of community members packed the courtroom crowded with media, though none of the immediate family appeared in court."

"Katie said A.J. was quiet and shy, but knew him to be depressed when they were friends two years ago. She said he would call her late at night and threaten to jump off the roof of his building. She said both she and her mother tried to get him to see a therapist."

"I'll be gone eventually" and another that said "something big will happen in high school."
More at link...
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ge...omicide?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Lots about his chaotic family life and his mother in this article. It wasn't always a "quiet family household"!

 

[Inthedetails]

And her family will be re-victimized every time they have to go to his hearings and relive the horror of his crime.



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My thoughts exactly. Someone upthread mentioned that he is unlikely to get parole in the future if Maddy's family shows up at the hearings. That seems like punishment to the victims.

 

[human]

I know that child molesters aren't into killing. They kill to cover evidence.

The child killer is a different species.

I don't think he was just a child molester because he attacked her from behind, Killing was not to cover up. He planned on killing her. His sweet little "friend".

He could not be looking at Maddy as a real live girl. She is just some kind of object to him. Something for his evil plan.

What kind of monster is he?

 

[Mamamerced]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-do-...hleen-heide-says-parents-are-mostly-to-blame/

I just found this older article on another thread. It doesn't really address murders this sadistic and deranged but it is about children who kill. She says it so much more clearly than I could and she's established a career around it.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I know that child molesters aren't into killing. They kill to cover evidence.

The child killer is a different species.

I don't think he was just a child molester because he attacked her from behind, Killing was not to cover up. He planned on killing her. His sweet little "friend".

He could not be looking at Maddy as a real live girl. She is just some kind of object to him. Something for his evil plan.

What kind of monster is he?

Makes me think of Sandra Cantu and the monster that killed her. I never could figure that one out.

 

[takeitfromme412]

Evil.....just...pure.....EVIL

The psychologist in this article says that he isn't a sociopath because he recognizes his weaknesses. Beats me. What is he then?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...z-disturbing-details-emerge-about-suspect-how

 

[HarvestMoon]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-do-...hleen-heide-says-parents-are-mostly-to-blame/

I just found this older article on another thread. It doesn't really address murders this sadistic and deranged but it is about children who kill. She says it so much more clearly than I could and she's established a career around it.

Through it all, Heide insists she's never met an evil child. Bad parenting usually makes them what they are, even in cases where family life may look idyllic from the outside.

"People want to say these kids are born bad. That's nonsense," she says.

 

[mrsu]

The reality is we can't assume that we know how someone was brought up or that there is nothing wrong with them. We can say there was no abuse and outwardly it appears that they are perfectly fine, but the reality is their own perception is their own reality.

I grew up in a family that had it all. Gave me anything that I wanted and from the outside looked picture perfect. The reality was that I yearned (still yearn) for love and affection that I never got, but in my opinion WAS given to my siblings. My relationship with my parents is fractured. I have no doubt that they would say that they have never treated any of us kids differently, and would think it preposterous that I'm upset about it. Yet I constantly feel like I'll never be good enough to win their approval, and I am a successful business person. What I'm saying is that no matter how silly my parents would think it is, my perception of how I feel I've been treated is my reality. You never know what instances in someone's life make them feel the way they do.

Perhaps AJG was a stand up citizen and good student. Maybe he felt like no matter how good or impressive he was, he was never good enough for his mother. And that he was not worthy enough to have a father who wanted to be a part of his life. It is very hard and sad to feel unloved when you see those people so capable of loving others. The difference between him and I is that I have found ways to cope so it doesn't swallow me alive, and obviously he didn't.

I'm certainly not saying he's not a sociopath but it's fickle to say that a person had everything they could ever want and there's no reason behind the madness.

The truth is, you never know.

 

[takeitfromme412]

It does feel that way. One of the 3 guys that killed my best friend and her step-sis in 1997 will get parole hearings and we will all be going to every single one... and it will be awful. I know it will be.

My thoughts exactly. Someone upthread mentioned that he is unlikely to get parole in the future if Maddy's family shows up at the hearings. That seems like punishment to the victims.

 

[gitana1]

Wow, color me shocked. I'd rather they charge highest possible and give option(s) of lessor punishment if jury trial. Maybe a plea deal is in the works, I do not get it. Even if they want a mental eval, IIRC, AG showed he understood right from wrong when he attempted to flee area once LE got close to recycle dumpster.

The DA has no choice. It's the law.

We like spooky stuff.... just not sex, nudity, vulgarity.

OT: Have you watched the thriller "Mama?" One of my kids' favorite thrillers.

Cultures that include a lot of violence and are sexually inhibited have many, many, many more instances of violent sex crimes than cultures that do not censor sex, nudity and "vulgarity".

 

[babyroxy1969]

The reality is we can't assume that we know how someone was brought up or that there is nothing wrong with them. We can say there was no abuse and outwardly it appears that they are perfectly fine, but the reality is their own perception is their own reality.

I grew up in a family that had it all. Gave me anything that I wanted and from the outside looked picture perfect. The reality was that I yearned (still yearn) for love and affection that I never got, but in my opinion WAS given to my siblings. My relationship with my parents is fractured. I have no doubt that they would say that they have never treated any of us kids differently, and would think it preposterous that I'm upset about it. Yet I constantly feel like I'll never be good enough to win their approval, and I am a successful business person. What I'm saying is that no matter how silly my parents would think it is, my perception of how I feel I've been treated is my reality. You never know what instances in someone's life make them feel the way they do.

Perhaps AJG was a stand up citizen and good student. Maybe he felt like no matter how good or impressive he was, he was never good enough for his mother. And that he was not worthy enough to have a father who wanted to be a part of his life. It is very hard and sad to feel unloved when you see those people so capable of loving others. The difference between him and I is that I have found ways to cope so it doesn't swallow me alive, and obviously he didn't.

I'm certainly not saying he's not a sociopath but it's fickle to say that a person had everything they could ever want and there's no reason behind the madness.

The truth is, you never know.

That was a PERFECT post. Thank you.