Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #2 *Arrest*

[loreet]

This article posted by OP . Wow. The possibilities for big problems.....

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_28566114/teens-turbulent-family-life-and-death-santa-cruz

I am sorry to say that I am not surprised at all that AJG has had a disruptive home environment during the majority of his 15 years. Please do not think I am blaming his parents for the horrific crimes against Madyson, though the evidence is mounting that they are not perfect parents, as none of us are.

But having been a single mother myself, I can attest to how difficult it is to raise children and take care of their psyches when you are most worried about feeding them and keeping a roof over your heads. I have never been less of the parent I wanted to be as I was during those stressful times. I can clearly see those times of stress and my own failures in the people my children have become. Yes, in some ways they are so much more tolerant and compassionate than they would have been without those experiences, but I can also clearly connect how their self-esteem has suffered to my moments of frustration and anger and even how 'not having enough' has shaped who they are.

When children have had that real threat and fear of not knowing where they will sleep for the night, they are changed and often basic feelings of security are stripped away. And to some extent, though my own family and circumstance have changed, I still feel some part of a collective responsibility for any children who are or have been in that position.

JMO, of course.

 

[Mamamerced]

From your link:

Many high-profile people have been affected, including Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Adolf Hitler and Princess Diana.

The two notable people I bolded above were renowned for their human rights work - Lincoln was an abolitionist and Princess Diana campaigned to rid war-torn regions of land mines and sought to ease the suffering of AIDS patients.

I think it's a mistake to automatically conclude or to even speculate that someone with what's been termed "sanpaku eyes" is a dangerous person. To my knowledge, there is no scientific literature that supports such a hypothesis.

I think it is a mistake to conclude a person with sanpaku eyes is a dangerous person, too. My initial comment was that AJG had sanpaku eyes and he is proven to be dangerous.

 

[EllieBee]

This is very complicated in that it is possible to receive services for ADHD or ADD alone. It has to be very severe.

I never saw it happen for ADHD or ADD alone. But of course I don't see all millions of students.

What I saw was it being addressed with medication. Even though people decry the use of medication for ADHD or ADD it is a life saver for the children. The difference is night and day.

If a child does not have ADHD or ADD, I doubt if the meds would help.

I do know of situations where it was probably not the problem.

I asked my son's teenage friend when they were teenagers what he thought of being on the meds. He was so happy that he could focus.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd-web/article/625.html

I don't take medication for headaches or colds. I never gave my child meds.

But when I saw her slide into depression and self-loathing because she had to "sit out" in kindergarten, I called back her pediatrician who had previously recommended meds. We initally had said, "thanks but no thanks-we can 'fix' this without DRUGS, thank you very much".

We called her back, and said "yes, please. Help her".

The change was, and has been ever since, miraculous. I will never again judge parents who medicate, or for that matter, choose not to. I can only say it was a Godsend for our baby.

 

[blue22]

I don't think he was suicidal, either. He was most likely isolated/lonely not being able to genuinely make connections with others because he is so deranged. Moo.

I think he feigned suicide, because he liked knowing he could toy with and control people's emotions.

JMO

 

[human]

From your link:

Many high-profile people have been affected, including Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Adolf Hitler and Princess Diana.

The two notable people I bolded above were renowned for their human rights work - Lincoln was an abolitionist and Princess Diana campaigned to rid war-torn regions of land mines and sought to ease the suffering of AIDS patients.

I think it's a mistake to automatically conclude or to even speculate that someone with what's been termed "sanpaku eyes" is a dangerous person. To my knowledge, there is no scientific literature that supports such a hypothesis.

I am still going to look for them. Princess Diana was under tremendous stress.She was not happy with her life situation. Kennedy had his issues, too.

Who knows

 

[sorrell skye]

I've been thinking a lot about this horrible case and I don't buy the depressed/suicide/bullied/awkward bit at ALL as any sort of an excuse. Do you wanna know why? Because little Maddy was kind to him when no one else wanted anything to do with him. With a pure heart she gave him her friendship and trust. When he did what he did, he did so looking into the beautiful face of the sweet little soul who was probably his only real friend. He did what he did because it thrilled him, end of story. Seeing his MSM pics in court, he looks perky, almost enjoying himself. This kid is a sociopath and since we can't put him down like the rabid dog he is, he needs to never see the light of day again. I only thank god he was stupid and got himself caught quickly, because he would have continued, I'm sure, "just to see how people react".

BBM

The above bolded bit tells me all I need to know about this yet-to-be-convicted child rapist/murderer.

He wanted to see how people would react - that - IMO - was the thrill he was seeking. While Maddy's mother was frantically looking for her, while the police were searching for her, while the local and national media networks were camped out at the Tannery & broadcasting the news of little Maddy's disappearance, while every resident of the apartment complex was fearful & wondering what could have happened to a beloved little 8 year old girl, he was watching it all and probably relishing every minute of it.

It was, IMO, probably the highlight of his pathetic life. I feel zero sympathy for him.

 

[EllieBee]

I think that, second to Maddy's family, I am so sympathetic to all the people who knew him, played in band with him, thought of him as a friend, and of course his family.

Honestly, who ever thinks the people they love could do a thing like this?

But really, I feel for those kids of a tender age who spent every school day with him and may be wondering if they should have been able to "tell" that there was something "off".

 

[human]

BBM

The above bolded bit tells me all I need to know about this yet-to-be-convicted child rapist/murderer.

He wanted to see how people would react - that - IMO - was the thrill he was seeking. While Maddy's mother was frantically looking for her, while the police were searching for her, while the local and national media networks were camped out at the Tannery & broadcasting the news of little Maddy's disappearance, while every resident of the apartment complex was fearful & wondering what could have happened to a beloved little 8 year old girl, he was watching it all and probably relishing every minute of it.

It was, IMO, probably the highlight of his pathetic life. I feel zero sympathy for him.

Wow. Perfect explanation. I want to say swear words but I will stick with monster.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think he feigned suicide, because he liked knowing he could toy with and control people's emotions.

JMO

Even when he was caught he was still using that as a cover. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Annie1004]

Abraham Lincoln was bi-polar (although the illness had no name at the time), as well as Winston Churchill and others. (These facts are in a book entitled 'The Brilliant Madness"). Diana was suspected to have borderline personality disorder. With the huge responsibilities of these historical figures, they were able to live their lives as normally as possible.

The kid stating he was "suicidal" is BS and meant to manipulate and explain his monsterous actions to those around him. IMHO. I still think he is a Bad Seed with zero chance of redemption.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I am sorry to say that I am not surprised at all that AJG has had a disruptive home environment during the majority of his 15 years. Please do not think I am blaming his parents for the horrific crimes against Madyson, though the evidence is mounting that they are not perfect parents, as none of us are.

But having been a single mother myself, I can attest to how difficult it is to raise children and take care of their psyches when you are most worried about feeding them and keeping a roof over your heads. I have never been less of the parent I wanted to be as I was during those stressful times. I can clearly see those times of stress and my own failures in the people my children have become. Yes, in some ways they are so much more tolerant and compassionate than they would have been without those experiences, but I can also clearly connect how their self-esteem has suffered to my moments of frustration and anger and even how 'not having enough' has shaped who they are.

When children have had that real threat and fear of not knowing where they will sleep for the night, they are changed and often basic feelings of security are stripped away. And to some extent, though my own family and circumstance have changed, I still feel some part of a collective responsibility for any children who are or have been in that position.

JMO, of course.

I've never done this before, but feel compelled:

Post of the day, for me.

Thank You ~Loreet

 

[Annie1004]

James Fallon is a neuroscientist who specializes in pschopaths' brains. During his many years of research, he discovered that he is a psychopath. He wrote a book and claims to have the malady at bay, although it's not easy. In his interviews he is very candid about his psychopathic tendencies. Fallon's story is fascinating.

 

[MsMarple]

A 15-year-old boy charged as an adult with raping and killing his 8-year-old neighbor in California is too young to understand what he is accused of doing, youth advocacy groups said Friday.
...
“There is no way on earth that a 15-year-old could have fully comprehended what he was doing,” said Barry Krisberg, a University of California, Berkeley criminologist who has long been involved with juvenile law in California.

“He might be able to recount the events that resulted, but the notion that he comprehended the consequences of his action flies in the face of all the science we know,” Krisberg said.
...
Harriet Salarno, board chairwoman of Crime Victims United of California, supported the prosecutors’ decision to try Gonzalez as an adult.

“This young man knew what he was doing,” she said. “He had planned it, he knew her. It wasn’t just in the heat of passion or anything. It should be tried and let the jury decide.”

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...erry-gonzalez-charged-as-adult-rape-homicide/

I've had to delete my thoughts three times now - let's just say I'm not on board with the advocates.

 

[everybodhi]

From your link:

Many high-profile people have been affected, including Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Adolf Hitler and Princess Diana.

The two notable people I bolded above were renowned for their human rights work - Lincoln was an abolitionist and Princess Diana campaigned to rid war-torn regions of land mines and sought to ease the suffering of AIDS patients.

I think it's a mistake to automatically conclude or to even speculate that someone with what's been termed "sanpaku eyes" is a dangerous person. To my knowledge, there is no scientific literature that supports such a hypothesis.

"There is currently no scientific evidence that supports the existence of the sanpaku eyes phenomenon. There is also no evidence to suggest that many of the listed conditions, such as the overconsumption of grain, are related to sclera visibility.[original research?] Additionally, searching the term “sanpaku” does not yield any results in any mainstream psychological or medical journals.[original research?]
The populariser of the sanpaku eyes phenomenon, George Ohsawa, did not have any training in the medical field, and is thus not qualified[original research?] to make diagnoses or medically related predictions. In a similar vein, Ohsawa also does not provide any explanations for the supposed links between particular physical ailments, mental disorders, personality types and the different types of sanpaku (e.g.: why exactly is a visible upper sclera indicative of psychosis?[original research?]). Ohsawa also makes note of some famous people with sanpaku eyes, such as Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Martin Luther King Jr., Abraham Lincoln, and John F. Kennedy, and insinuates that their demise was linked to the visible sclera under their eyes.[3]
However, there is no mention of people (both famous and non-famous) with this characteristic that do not adhere to the list of symptoms.[original research?] Making observations on famous people exclusively results in a biased and non-random sample, from which results or observations cannot be generalized.[original research?] It is highly likely that many (if not most) people with sanpaku live healthy and normal lives.[original research?]
In order to test this phenomenon, a scientific approach would be to acquire a random sample, whose sclera visibility would be compared to their medical history.[original research?]"
http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/sanpaku

 

[bluesneakers]

A 15-year-old boy charged as an adult with raping and killing his 8-year-old neighbor in California is too young to understand what he is accused of doing, youth advocacy groups said Friday.
...
“There is no way on earth that a 15-year-old could have fully comprehended what he was doing,” said Barry Krisberg, a University of California, Berkeley criminologist who has long been involved with juvenile law in California.

“He might be able to recount the events that resulted, but the notion that he comprehended the consequences of his action flies in the face of all the science we know,” Krisberg said.
...
Harriet Salarno, board chairwoman of Crime Victims United of California, supported the prosecutors’ decision to try Gonzalez as an adult.

“This young man knew what he was doing,” she said. “He had planned it, he knew her. It wasn’t just in the heat of passion or anything. It should be tried and let the jury decide.”

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...erry-gonzalez-charged-as-adult-rape-homicide/

I've had to delete my thoughts three times now - let's just say I'm not on board with the advocates.

Me too.

And I had to delete a few comments too.

 

[thref23]

If we are trying to figure out AG, "covert narcissism" should be considered as a factor.

In contrast to the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist,1 the Shy/Covert Narcissist is characterized by vulnerability and sensitivity which manifests itself in defensiveness and hostility. Like the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist, the Shy/Covert Narcissist has grandiose fantasies, feels a sense of entitlement, and is exploitive. However, the Shy/Covert Narcissistic personality is characterized by worry, ineffective functioning, unfulfilled expectations, and vulnerability to stress.

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[/SIZE]http://www1.appstate.edu/~hillrw/Narcissism/shycovertnarcissist.html

 

[bluesneakers]

From your link:

Many high-profile people have been affected, including Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Adolf Hitler and Princess Diana.

The two notable people I bolded above were renowned for their human rights work - Lincoln was an abolitionist and Princess Diana campaigned to rid war-torn regions of land mines and sought to ease the suffering of AIDS patients.

I think it's a mistake to automatically conclude or to even speculate that someone with what's been termed "sanpaku eyes" is a dangerous person. To my knowledge, there is no scientific literature that supports such a hypothesis.

I didn't say it was. I just found an interview with an ophthalmologist and shared it because we were talking about it.

I think it's one of those logic things - some evil people will have sanpaku eyes but not all people with sanpaku eyes are evil. (Apologies to Monty Python.)

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

This song debate is almost as bad as what color is the recycle bin. Lol

The recycle bin is purple, right?😉

 

[sorrell skye]

Even when he was caught he was still using that as a cover. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

I, too, think he knew exactly what he was doing.

Based on what I've read in these threads about AJG, I think his thirst for attention was unquenchable. I think he volunteered at the camp and also performed yo-yo demos for the kids in order to be the center of attention. I think he expressed fake suicidal threats to get attention. As time went on, his usual manipulations had lost their power, so he sought the most heinous method he could think of - viciously raping and killing a child - in order to bring the attention back to himself.

IMO, in his mind, it was a glorious event - watching all the heartbreaking chaos around him, knowing he was the creator of the horrid pandemonium. I don't think he cared who he hurt or how much pain and suffering he caused, as long as he was once again the center of attention, even though it was the worst kind of attention possible. As long as he was the 'star', nothing else mattered.

 

[Mamamerced]

I don't take medication for headaches or colds. I never gave my child meds.

But when I saw her slide into depression and self-loathing because she had to "sit out" in kindergarten, I called back her pediatrician who had previously recommended meds. We initally had said, "thanks but no thanks-we can 'fix' this without DRUGS, thank you very much".

We called her back, and said "yes, please. Help her".

The change was, and has been ever since, miraculous. I will never again judge parents who medicate, or for that matter, choose not to. I can only say it was a Godsend for our baby.

Every child needs an advocate like you. Why would a kindergartner have to "sit out"? What does that punishment mean or prove?
We had a wonderful 4th grade teacher at our small, rural school who had the children run laps around the sports'
field every morning and again after lunch, weather permitting. Every year her class was so engaged in, enjoyed, and excelled in learning. None of the other teachers followed her lead.