GUILTY CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #3 *Arrest*

[cvaldez1975]

i completely agree with you.... i just was taken aback all he did and disposed of her body in less than an hour when he is only 15... it is crazy to me.

I've been in situations where a few minutes seemed like forever...so almost an hour, close to an hour would be WAY too long for a little girl to endure..Heartbreakingly sad. Honestly people who injure children should never be free to injure again. Ever. And I do feel there is a special place for them after death.

 

[Lilibet]

i sort of found that a short attack, apparently her body was in teh dumpster within the hour.

It does seem very quick (though not to Maddy ) Have we ever been told when his Mom was due to be home? Or even what time she arrived home? Of course, regardless of his Mom's schedule, he must have known Maddy's Mom would call 911 at some point, so the quicker the better. He might even have asked Maddy what time her Mom expected her home. Ugh.

I don't think I could ever sleep in that apartment again, knowing what happened to Maddy in my home.

 

[LinasK]

Time is a relative concept, whether it appears as short or long. However long Maddy suffered was too long, but in practical terms he did alot of things in a relatively short amount of time that he got her into the dumpster before her mom had even called the police. However, in that 30 min after her mom discovered she was missing, she checked with neighbors and friends before calling police.

 

[SophieRose]

Time is a relative concept, whether it appears as short or long. However long Maddy suffered was too long, but in practical terms he did alot of things in a relatively short amount of time that he got her into the dumpster before her mom had even called the police. However, in that 30 min after her mom discovered she was missing, she checked with neighbors and friends before calling police.

That's right. Maddie was last seen on the surveillance video around 5:05. Her mother went looking for her, after the neighbor mother called her, around 5:30, and when she couldn't find her, neighbors and friends helped search for her. Police were called just after 6:00 pm.

 

[katydid23]

That's right. Maddie was last seen on the surveillance video around 5:05. Her mother went looking for her, after the neighbor mother called her, around 5:30, and when she couldn't find her, neighbors and friends helped search for her. Police were called just after 6:00 pm.

He must have heard people calling Maddy's name around 5:30. Poor baby. She probably heard her Mom calling her name too but she was duct taped and probably in shock. I hope he never walks free again. EVER.

 

[mpnola]

It does seem very quick (though not to Maddy ) Have we ever been told when his Mom was due to be home? Or even what time she arrived home? Of course, regardless of his Mom's schedule, he must have known Maddy's Mom would call 911 at some point, so the quicker the better. He might even have asked Maddy what time her Mom expected her home. Ugh.

I don't think I could ever sleep in that apartment again, knowing what happened to Maddy in my home.

Furthermore, given her tiny sweet size and the horrible things he did to her- how could there be no blood? 15 year olds dont clean well. And if I came home to a bleached up house when my child was 15 and his 8 year old little female friend was missing, you better believe I would have BIG questions!!! The fact that he used object on her, as well, and was able to strangle her all in an hour- this was violent! Something would be off, right? I hate this case. I hate that she was smiling and riding a scooter and eating ice cream as her last happy moments before she looked a monster in the eyes.

 

[Lilibet]

That's right. Maddie was last seen on the surveillance video around 5:05. Her mother went looking for her, after the neighbor mother called her, around 5:30, and when she couldn't find her, neighbors and friends helped search for her. Police were called just after 6:00 pm.

Thank you for posting the times again. It was very quick! Does anyone remember if it's been stated what time the anonymous person saw him bringing Maddy to the bin (obviously not realizing what was happening until later)? It may even have been while the neighbors were searching. He took such chances and was so bold, how could he think he could get away with it? Or maybe he didn't. He certainly made himself a suspect by hanging around asking questions. There's no particular point I'm making. Just thinking out loud in amazement...and disgust...and sorrow for poor little Maddy.

 

[EllieBee]

Thank you. This is only my opinion from watching and reading about this killer. I knew that at some point his background would come out and contradict the nice boy image people had of him. I do not think that parenting, background or mental health are the issue here.

I don't know what it will take for people to understand that there are, in fact, evil people. I do not think that he suffered depression, I do not think that he was ever suicidal. I think he played depression like he plays the piano or works the yo-yo as an expert - a virtuoso of manipulation one might say. He played the suicide thing to get attention and manipulate.
Suicidal people just do it. Those who attempt it are crying for help. He never attempted AS Far As We Know
His so called "turbulent" life is no different than most of the people I have met in my dealings with people; single moms, multiple boyfriends, different fathers, half siblings, etc.

He didn't kill Maddy because his mother threw a wine glass at him. I do not believe there ever was a wine glass. Maybe she broke one but I do think he was using it as another avenue of manipulation for that girl.

His participating and everything he was involved in was more getting focus on himself. His videos, before they were taken down, were mostly about how he wanted people to see him. The brooding, introspective, narcissistic, needy person who so needed attention, as if he got none. But he did. He got plenty, but IMO that was part of his narcissism.

He has an evil heart. At 15 he is fully sexually developed and capable of normal, fulfilling sexual relationships with girls his own age, yet he tried to manipulate them in ways that would satisfy his own depraved needs. " Something bad will happen". These are manipulators, not mentally ill IMO.

Then he groomed this little girl as if he were some kind of mentor that people trusted and respected. But his close friends describe him as "depressed".

I feel that the parenting, teacher, system discussion, the internet, , etc., are not applicable to this killer. He had hidden desires that only he knew and he skillfully masked them and manipulated people, likely his whole life.

He's not mentally ill, he's evil IN MY OPINION. He tortured her for over an hour then killed her. He knew how much time he had. Then he played with the police, again manipulating and having his own game.

Don't give him an out by blaming mental illness, parenting , and etc. Every kid has those issues and access to games, internet and all that, but this young man killed a tiny kid.

He needs to never see freedom again


Again MOO

And the winner of the Interwebz is........Steleheart! ^^^

 

[cvaldez1975]

i agree about how bad it all was but NO MOM wants to form that thought to put two and two together.

Furthermore, given her tiny sweet size and the horrible things he did to her- how could there be no blood? 15 year olds dont clean well. And if I came home to a bleached up house when my child was 15 and his 8 year old little female friend was missing, you better believe I would have BIG questions!!! The fact that he used object on her, as well, and was able to strangle her all in an hour- this was violent! Something would be off, right? I hate this case. I hate that she was smiling and riding a scooter and eating ice cream as her last happy moments before she looked a monster in the eyes.

 

[cvaldez1975]

are we sure he was not caught on the cameras carrying that box?

Thank you for posting the times again. It was very quick! Does anyone remember if it's been stated what time the anonymous person saw him bringing Maddy to the bin (obviously not realizing what was happening until later)? It may even have been while the neighbors were searching. He took such chances and was so bold, how could he think he could get away with it? Or maybe he didn't. He certainly made himself a suspect by hanging around asking questions. There's no particular point I'm making. Just thinking out loud in amazement...and disgust...and sorrow for poor little Maddy.

 

[Lilibet]

are we sure he was not caught on the cameras carrying that box?

He probably was, but the article said an anonymous source reported seeing him. I believe he was also seen on video revisiting the site twice while LE was searching.

I'm sorry I don't have time right now to go find the link.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Time is a relative concept, whether it appears as short or long. However long Maddy suffered was too long, but in practical terms he did alot of things in a relatively short amount of time that he got her into the dumpster before her mom had even called the police. However, in that 30 min after her mom discovered she was missing, she checked with neighbors and friends before calling police.

Diabolical, imo.

 

[EllieBee]

MOO is that people will find any excuse to blame perfectly good parents for the real or perceived shortcomings or worse in those parents' children.

My own ex-SIL told me that my daughter's ADHD was probably because we did not ask God for help and were not faithful in submitting to Him our sins that caused our child to be so "damaged".

One big <modsnip> to anyone who categorically blames parents because their children struggle. Must be nice to live on "Perfect Island".

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[emtmomma]

MOO is that people will find any excuse to blame perfectly good parents for the real or perceived shortcomings or worse in those parents' children.

My own ex-SIL told me that my daughter's ADHD was probably because we did not ask God for help and were not faithful in submitting to Him our sins that caused our child to be so "damaged".

One big <modsnip> to anyone who categorically blames parents because their children struggle. Must be nice to live on "Perfect Island".

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I'm sorry to hear that someone in your own family would say such a absurd thing. I had this conversation with my husband (we are currently separated) today because he is going through almost a grief process after realizing no matter how he has tried to help his son, his son has in turn stolen so much from our family and has taken off with no remorse.
I had to remind him that he is not a bad parent and did everything he could to help his son but you can only control so much. But of course he has many people telling him what he could have or should have done (Monday morning quarter backing.) Which I find offensive and inappropriate. So I truly feel where you are coming from.

 

[justwannahelp]

There will always be the people who have obvious signs of being a danger to others.

But, there are kids (and I truly think this will be the case here) that might be strange, or awkward, or even depressed...but no one would suspect they do anything even close to this. You see, unless someone is so obviously and outwardly disturbed that everyone in contact with that person sees it...what is society to do? Millions of kids and adults are growing up in and have survived horrific childhoods. A tiny, tiny percentage go on to do something like this. From what we know now, AJ does not seem so set apart that anyone could have seen this coming. That might change the more we learn, but IMO...there were probably not outward signs of a monster this depraved

I was in the "camp" that there was no way to know or prevent that this was going to happen.

But now that I read about the threat sent to the newspaper, I am changing my opinion. The newspaper dropped the ball if authorities weren't informed, and if authorities WERE informed, the the authorities dropped the ball for not pressing charges and or investigating this whacko. MAYBE just maybe if they would have charged his bedroom after the threat, they would have found morbid things etc and or child that would have led to some sort of sentencing. MAYBE Mady would still be with us today, maybe not. I know it's a reach. I do think that eventually he would have done something horrible even IF LE would have looked Into that threat, but it's possible it wouldn't have been to Mady. Not that another child is "better"...just saying. Timing is crucial and if he would have gotten in trouble for that threat, Mady could still be with us today.

I'm disappointed that he wasn't charged for threatening the school and wasn't further looked into. Threats to highschools are taken VERY seriously ever since Columbine and the list of schools that go on and on from there. Why wasn't this threat taken seriously?

 

[justwannahelp]

He must have heard people calling Maddy's name around 5:30. Poor baby. She probably heard her Mom calling her name too but she was duct taped and probably in shock. I hope he never walks free again. EVER.

Oh gosh&#128531;. I never thought of that. I can't decide if it's worse that she probably heard people looking for her or if hearing her mother's voice may have somehow comforted her. It was probably worse. It probably gave her a second wind to fight, but there was just no way for her TO fight. She was bound &#128531;&#128531;&#128531;

 

[AmyPond]

I was in the "camp" that there was no way to know or prevent that this was going to happen.

But now that I read about the threat sent to the newspaper, I am changing my opinion. The newspaper dropped the ball if authorities weren't informed, and if authorities WERE informed, the the authorities dropped the ball for not pressing charges and or investigating this whacko. MAYBE just maybe if they would have charged his bedroom after the threat, they would have found morbid things etc and or child that would have led to some sort of sentencing. MAYBE Mady would still be with us today, maybe not. I know it's a reach. I do think that eventually he would have done something horrible even IF LE would have looked Into that threat, but it's possible it wouldn't have been to Mady. Not that another child is "better"...just saying. Timing is crucial and if he would have gotten in trouble for that threat, Mady could still be with us today.

I'm disappointed that he wasn't charged for threatening the school and wasn't further looked into. Threats to highschools are taken VERY seriously ever since Columbine and the list of schools that go on and on from there. Why wasn't this threat taken seriously?

I wonder if it's at all possible it was taken seriously and he did get charged? If that was the case, would we even know since he's a minor?

 

[Lilibet]

I was in the "camp" that there was no way to know or prevent that this was going to happen.

But now that I read about the threat sent to the newspaper, I am changing my opinion. The newspaper dropped the ball if authorities weren't informed, and if authorities WERE informed, the the authorities dropped the ball for not pressing charges and or investigating this whacko. MAYBE just maybe if they would have charged his bedroom after the threat, they would have found morbid things etc and or child that would have led to some sort of sentencing. MAYBE Mady would still be with us today, maybe not. I know it's a reach. I do think that eventually he would have done something horrible even IF LE would have looked Into that threat, but it's possible it wouldn't have been to Mady. Not that another child is "better"...just saying. Timing is crucial and if he would have gotten in trouble for that threat, Mady could still be with us today.

I'm disappointed that he wasn't charged for threatening the school and wasn't further looked into. Threats to highschools are taken VERY seriously ever since Columbine and the list of schools that go on and on from there. Why wasn't this threat taken seriously?

BBM

But the news story isn't clear about who sent the threat and message. We honestly don't know for sure if AJG is the one who threatened the school or sent a message to the newspaper. Both were sent anonymously, and at this point we don't know what LE knew then. A phrase AJG used on his Instagram was used in the message to the newspaper, so they are now investigating whether there is a connection. But we haven't been told whether, at the time, there was a way to connect either of these messages to AJG, or anyone else. So, it doesn't appear that anyone dropped the ball, at least in connection with AJG. If it turns out out that it was AJG sending these messages, that's a different matter for sure. JMO

In November, an unnamed individual sent a threatening email to Santa Cruz High School, claiming a high-powered rifle would be used to kill fellow students in the cafeteria. Gonzalez was a sophomore there.A day after the threat, someone anonymously reached out to the Santa Cruz Sentinel newspaper claiming responsibility but said he was not “homicidal, just a thrill seeker”. That person also said he was wracked with guilt and had “crippling anxiety.”
That is the same phrase the teenager used on his Instagram page.

BBM
http://wthitv.com/2015/08/04/maddy-middleton-murder-suspect-may-be-tied-to-death-threat-in-2014/

 

[justwannahelp]

I wonder if it's at all possible it was taken seriously and he did get charged? If that was the case, would we even know since he's a minor?

Good point. Maybe that's his "criminal past" that they were talking of?? I can't remember exactly how they worded it but after his name was released, news articles worded things in such a way that the reader could assume he had some past run ins with the law. Maybe exactly what those "run ins" were have already been brought to light? (I took a couple if days off from this forum so that I could see the world through rose colored glasses for a day or 2 so to speak)

 

[justwannahelp]

BBM

But the news story isn't clear about who sent the threat and message. We honestly don't know for sure if AJG is the one who threatened the school or sent a message to the newspaper. Both were sent anonymously, and at this point we don't know what LE knew then. A phrase AJG used on his Instagram was used in the message to the newspaper, so they are now investigating whether there is a connection. But we haven't been told whether, at the time, there was a way to connect either of these messages to AJG, or anyone else. So, it doesn't appear that anyone dropped the ball, at least in connection with AJG. If it turns out out that it was AJG sending these messages, that's a different matter for sure. JMO



BBM
http://wthitv.com/2015/08/04/maddy-middleton-murder-suspect-may-be-tied-to-death-threat-in-2014/

Right. I knew that, but though I shouldn't, I'm assuming it was him. The anxiety wording and the friend's revelations - fingers point to him.