CA - Malibu Creek State Park Shooting, Tristan Beaudette, 35, 22 June 2018 *Arrest* #2

[margarita25]

So what percentage chance do you think exists that the shooting was personal and that Mr. Beaudette was the target? Over or under 10%? Over or under 25? More?

Explain if possible. I'm over 10 but under 25. The head shot might not be coincidental.

Who knows, right?

60/40 in favor of random, moo.

 

[carbuff]

Is there a MSM source for a cancelled press conference? tia

It was cited a couple of pages back but now I can't find it, so I removed my post.

 

[gitana1]

That's just evil. But could be.

Of course if the shooter had a nice night vision scope on that high-powered rifle, he might not have needed much light at all.

TB was in a tent. So there had to be enough light to backlight him. Totally.

 

[Parks]

It was cited a couple of pages back but now I can't find it, so I removed my post.

It was on the FB page of the Local Malibu. But I am not sure the site can be trusted for relevant information. I truly believe she has the best intentions, but as far as referencing a reliable source, I’m not sure she can can provide that. She seems to say things as she hears them, and then.... nothing comes of it.

 

[carbuff]

TB was in a tent. So there had to be enough light to backlight him. Totally.

I meant one of these, that detects heat: Thermal Rifle Scope | Hunting Thermal Scope with Camera - ATN Corp

 

[Jax49]

It was cited a couple of pages back but now I can't find it, so I removed my post.

Thanks. Didn't mean to sound short, I was just concerned the only source was The Local Malibu which doesn't seem to qualify as MSM. moo

 

[carbuff]

Thanks. Didn't mean to sound short, I was just concerned the only source was The Local Malibu which doesn't seem to qualify as MSM. moo

No, it's important to be precise and I'm afraid I tend to the careless. Thanks for keeping me in line.

 

[gitana1]

I meant one of these, that detects heat: Thermal Rifle Scope | Hunting Thermal Scope with Camera - ATN Corp

Whoa. Intense.

Expensive. Do the outline someone well? Like you see an actual detailed, human form rather than a blob? If it's though a tent?

 

[Confusion]

I have a couple of things that keep me from thinking it was a hit/personal killing. First, I don't think anyone who knew him and/or his family would want to have him brutally murdered right next to his young daughters (unless he had friends or relatives who were total psychopaths!) However, if it was a hit, the person might not care about the girls, but would most likely want to make sure that TB was actually dead before considering the job done. To do that, he would have to stick around long enough to open the "noisy" zipper, shine a light in there or go in to check his condition, hope the girls don't see him in there, and that the BIL or other campers don't see him when he comes out. I don't see many professionals being willing to take that kind of chance.

At the same time, I find it hard to believe that someone who couldn't hit the right place on a car from a short distance could shoot a shadow throw 2 layers of fabric and get a kill shot in the head. I would guess that either the person decided to up his game and quickly unzipped the tent, shot in there and took off, or shot higher intending to just scare the people inside and happened to pick a time when TB had just sat/stood up for some reason. Either way, if it was a random shooter (same as some or all of the other 7), I'd say he just got a lucky shot if he was trying to kill or an unlucky one if he just meant to scare. MOO

 

[UCLAEigenguy]

It was on the FB page of the Local Malibu. But I am not sure the site can be trusted for relevant information. I truly believe she has the best intentions, but as far as referencing a reliable source, I’m not sure she can can provide that. She seems to say things as she hears them, and then.... nothing comes of it.

BBM. I agree. What did it for me was seeing her bite a reader's head off when they asked that someone pick up a flyer. When you're a one-person outfit, you lose credibility via that behavior.

I meant one of these, that detects heat: Thermal Rifle Scope | Hunting Thermal Scope with Camera - ATN Corp

This is what I think was used. Ex-military (who also liked guns and tech) or a hunter would be someone that would have these. Or an absolute lunatic just looking for people (I'd say that is rare though).

 

[carbuff]

Whoa. Intense.

Expensive. Do the outline someone well? Like you see an actual detailed, human form rather than a blob? If it's though a tent?

This has some pictures. Most of them are outdoors, but in one you can see a person through the glass of a storefront, so I'm guessing you'd see a shape. I don't really know though.

Low Cost Thermal flir Rifle Scopes and thermal imaging weapon sights

 

[passepartout]

I'm finding the media reports a bit confusing and have a few basic questions I can't find clarification on.

FWIW, I'm quite familiar with Malibu Creek SP, although it's been a few years since I've been out there. I've traversed even some of the more remote parts on foot and on horseback. While much of the terrain is difficult and remote, the campsites are not at all and attract IME mostly the recreational/family camping crowd. Weekends are very busy, lots of kids, lots of city people.

1. Who made the initial 911 call about the gunshots?

2. Was it one gunshot or multiple?

3. Is it correct that the BIL entered the victim's tent and found him bleeding?

4. Was the discovery of the victim before or after the 911 call? Were the police there (on the property) when the body was discovered?

5. From Malibu campground where father fatally shot is closed down as safety precaution:

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Lt. Rodney Moore said investigators are sifting through evidence from the scene and that the firearm has not been found. Detectives have begun reviewing other shootings in the area but have no evidence yet that ties any prior incidents to the killing, he said.

“The theory we are working with is he was shot inside the tent,” Moore said. “The children were inside the tent too.”​

What does this mean? Is the sheriff just ruling out that he was shot outside the tent and then returned, bleeding, to the tent. Or is the theory that someone entered the tent and shot him?

6. Why did early reports state that the victim died from a shot to the 'upper torso' and only later, per the coroner, identify the fatal injury as a shot to the head (and the coroner said there were not multiple gunshots)?

Reports say the victim was pronounced dead at the scene. There are certain specific circumstances in which a person can be pronounced dead on scene in California. (I was licensed as an EMT in LA County so know this well.) Lividity, rigor, evisceration, exposed brain matter, decapitation - the whole list for LA County is here. So this victim fit the criteria somehow by the time EMS arrived.

But how do you declare someone dead from a gunshot wound to the torso - which apparently didn't exist - and entirely miss the fatal head wound?

I will much appreciate any answers or links to more accurate reports. I'm struggling to fit this in with what I know of the park and the campgrounds. I'm not sure where a random shooter would shoot randomly from, for example. And I'm not sure that a single gunshot would rouse much suspicion among LA residents - odd gunfire (especially at holidays) is not so uncommon in many parts of LA and once you get used to it, you sleep through it.

I do hope they find who's responsible.

 

[RickshawFan]

I think TB's death is unrelated to the past shootings and an arrest will be made soon-ish, but not soon enough, when a motive for the murder becomes apparent. That's my hope anyway.

Reasons:
-Extremely tight-lipped LE - They must know something that leads them to believe TB's death is isolated from other shootings.

-As a result, we know almost nothing about June 22, 2018.

-If LE believed one shooter is responsible for all 8 incidents, they would provide a lot more information to public, and issue warnings. I mean this dangerous person supposedly shoots at people and cars then just killed a man.

-'Sheriff's homicide detectives said Friday there is no evidence linking last Friday's fatal shooting of a man at Malibu State Park with earlier crimes, but a possible link has not been ruled out.'
'No Evidence' Linking Campground Shooting to Other Crimes
To me, 'there is no evidence' is much stronger than 'a possible link'.

MOO

Right on, IMO. It seems like there's been almost no interaction between LE and public on this one. No encouragement to be on the alert, no sketch, no reward.... It's as though they're not looking any longer. Agreed that "no evidence" language leans strongly towards this shooting being unique.

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm also in Southern CA, and I will guarantee that the creek is not high at this time of year. Creeks here are measured in inches most of the year and many may go completely dry at times. A creek like this would be high (and dangerous/uncrossable) for a couple of days after a major storm in January or February. Meanwhile, it hasn't rained here in many months.

Just to add....

From the campground photos, the campground looks like a whole different place than in the crime scene shots. The campground appears lush, green, highly vegetated, almost the opposite of the June version where the camp sites are dusty, stripped, baked, dried out with only dots of tree vegetation. You might as well be looking at a whole different place!

Malibu Creek State Park - Campsite Photos and Camping Information

 

[gitana1]

This has some pictures. Most of them are outdoors, but in one you can see a person through the glass of a storefront, so I'm guessing you'd see a shape. I don't really know though.

Low Cost Thermal flir Rifle Scopes and thermal imaging weapon sights

I found a YouTube video. You can see very well through fabric. It would work.

 

[Jackeee]

TB was in a tent. So there had to be enough light to backlight him. Totally.

When my kids were small they would sometimes be frightened about how dark it was in the tent at night. Even though we were right there with them, we usually left a small battery operated light on overnight.

 

[carbuff]

I found a YouTube video. You can see very well through fabric. It would work.

That's...disturbing.

 

[anonypotomous]

It was on the FB page of the Local Malibu. But I am not sure the site can be trusted for relevant information. I truly believe she has the best intentions, but as far as referencing a reliable source, I’m not sure she can can provide that. She seems to say things as she hears them, and then.... nothing comes of it.

Agreed. Plus she keeps saying she has "inside sources", but "can't reveal anything".. Why even bother saying that? I'm honestly curious. To keep readers engaged and coming back?

Two days ago she posted: "We're hearing from inside sources that there should be a description of the shooter released soon by law enforcement"- and nothing came of that either. So, best intentions or not, it seems a bit wishy washy. Heck, I posted her site a few days ago, but am now thinking maybe it's not the best info!

 

[RickshawFan]

That has been my feeling all along re the other shootings, but I have been in the minority......

FWIW I agree totally both in my sense that this murder does not belong with the other shootings, and with the sense tat "linked shootings" speculation dominates the thread now, and counter-theorists are getting drowned out.
IMO, we should be taking at face value LE's position that there's no evidence to link this shooting with the others and go from there.

 

[margarita25]

(Every time I Google "Malibu shooter" I get rum recipes. Have to modify to "shootings".)