CA - Malibu Creek State Park Shooting, Tristan Beaudette, 35, 22 June 2018 *Arrest*

[ScorpioRising]

And if we are talking probability and not possibility: then I would say if a shot gun was involved we are looking at under 50 yards.

I'm curious to know what firearms are issued (if any) to the guards at the correctional facility? What is security like for the detainees (incl the transfr detainees from CAMP AP per #672)?

According to an 1995 LA Times article
"When repeat juvenile offenders are released from a high-security facility, such as Camp David Gonzalez in Malibu, they usually are sent home, back to the same streets where they learned to get in trouble in the first place."
So at least in 1995 it was high security.

The article goes on to say:

"
* Those tutored: some of the 135 wards of the court serving sentences at Camp David Gonzales: ages 16-19

* Reasons for incarceration: Primarily violent crimes, from robbery to murder"

MAKING A DIFFERENCE: Camp David Gonzales : Learning a Path Out of Prison

Again, this is an old article and it sounds like the camp was going through some changes lately. Someone who had been there with a violent crime background like murder would know though that this is a fairly isolate area with lots of vegetation to hide in and maybe use as 'hunting' ground for inherent violent behaviour? I wonder when it was released that the facility as it was would be closing? Maybe that disgruntled someone?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

And if we are talking probability and not possibility: then I would say if a shot gun was involved we are looking at under 50 yards.

I'm curious to know what firearms are issued (if any) to the guards at the correctional facility? What is security like for the detainees (incl the transfr detainees from CAMP AP per #672)?

If a shot gun was used wouldn't you find many holes in the tent? That's what comes to mind when I think of shotguns but maybe there's other ammo, other than traditional shotgun shells with bb's. Idk

For those that were asking about bird shot, you can see the difference between bird shot and buck shot at link. Also patterns of shotgun blasts.

Shotgun Pattern Testing - FirearmsID.com

If we discover bird shot was used as in some of the other shootings in the area then I think it was likely 'joy shooting'. Shooting that's meant to scare or possibly injure but not kill. I would rule out a 'professional' hit at that point.

 

[Razz]

So 50 yards is what, the length of about 25 men lying end to end? That still seems kind of far for them to be sure they'd get a specific person inside a tent? Unless he was backlit.

JMO
There are many hills and valleys from looking at the maps of the place. I am pretty sure someone could get into a position to shoot at a slightly downward angle if the person doing the shooting was up a little higher on a nearby hill.

I dont think the shooter would be too far away because if 2 shots hit the tent. That tells me he was aiming at that area because if someone is just going to randomly fire then I dont think both shots would hit the tent. I have a bad feeling that the shooter was aiming at that tent area. And after the 1st shot the victim may have stood up or sat up and he got hit.

Gun Safety Rule #1 - Know your target and know what is beyond that target so you avoid hitting something not intended.

So either a person is wreckless with a weapon or he was doing it on purpose which is what I think.

I'd be surprised if a shotgun was used.
The buckshot would have scattered and a slug would take some knowledge how to hit a man in the head from a distance.

I was thinking more in terms of a long range rifle where you can pretty well pinpoint your target. An accident he just happened to shoot TB in the head?
Maybe, but I've having a difficult time imagining that.

Not sure why the bro felt compelled to chime in on his theory, especially since he's only heard of it through the BIL who witnessed the aftermath.

He'd do well to keep silent until police come out with what they think may have happened. Jmo, though.

 

[Tbone144]

If a shot gun was used wouldn't you find many holes in the tent? That's what comes to mind when I think of shotguns but maybe there's other ammo, other than traditional shotgun shells with bb's. Idk

For those that were asking about bird shot, you can see the difference between bird shot and buck shot at link. Also patterns of shotgun blasts.

Shotgun Pattern Testing - FirearmsID.com

If we discover bird shot was used as in some of the other shootings in the area then I think it was likely 'joy shooting'. Shooting that's meant to scare or possibly injure but not kill. I would rule out a 'professional' hit at that point.

You can shoot a slug with a shotgun as well, not just shot. Rifle would give you longer distances, slugs would be next, shot and handguns falling within range of each other based on grain and caliber. Roughly.

 

[Oregonmama]

I'd be surprised if a shotgun was used.
The buckshot would have scattered and a slug would take some knowledge how to hit a man in the head from a distance.

I was thinking more in terms of a long range rifle where you can pretty well pinpoint your target. An accident he just happened to shoot TB in the head?
Maybe, but I've having a difficult time imagining that.

Not sure why the bro felt compelled to chime in on his theory, especially since he's only heard of it through the BIL who witnessed the aftermath.

He'd do well to keep silent until police come out with what they think may have happened. Jmo, though.

I agree!! And he told all to Radar Online, not a source I would run to. JMO

 

[Hatfield]

I'd be surprised if a shotgun was used.
The buckshot would have scattered and a slug would take some knowledge how to hit a man in the head from a distance.

I was thinking more in terms of a long range rifle where you can pretty well pinpoint your target. An accident he just happened to shoot TB in the head?
Maybe, but I've having a difficult time imagining that.

Not sure why the bro felt compelled to chime in on his theory, especially since he's only heard of it through the BIL who witnessed the aftermath.

He'd do well to keep silent until police come out with what they think may have happened. Jmo, though.

I wish LE could at least tell us the weapon they think was used in the tent killing.

The reason we were talking about a shotgun is possible with a slug is the lady that was previously shot at in her car was a definite shotgun with a slug. There are pictures of the slug she found that ended up in her car.

We dont know yet for sure what was used in the tent killing but since 2 holes in the tent I was thinking a slug is possible in that shooting.

Remember a scope can be mounted on a shotgun too and can make it more accurate than people think.

Im kind of thinking he may have been shooting at the tent and the victim unfortunately may have sat up and got hit.
Remember it was stated that he got hit in torso which is upper body. So it is not like a head shot where more accuracy would be needed for a head shot.

This case is scary as I think too many similar incidents which makes me lean to the same shooter.

Two shots in same tent indicates he was aiming in that direction. A free willy random shooter I doubt would hit the tent twice.

I agree a long range rifle with a scope is possible too. Wish LE would give more info on what gun they think did the tent shooting.

All JMO of course.

 

[SuziQ]

A good sized shotgun slug was used when the couple was shot at while sleeping in their car .It left a good sized hole. We know a shotgun was used in two cases.

If a shot gun was used wouldn't you find many holes in the tent? That's what comes to mind when I think of shotguns but maybe there's other ammo, other than traditional shotgun shells with bb's. Idk

For those that were asking about bird shot, you can see the difference between bird shot and buck shot at link. Also patterns of shotgun blasts.

Shotgun Pattern Testing - FirearmsID.com

If we discover bird shot was used as in some of the other shootings in the area then I think it was likely 'joy shooting'. Shooting that's meant to scare or possibly injure but not kill. I would rule out a 'professional' hit at that point.

 

[ScorpioRising]

A good sized shotgun slug was used when the couple was shot at while sleeping in their car .It left a good sized hole. We know a shotgun was used in two cases.

Anybody know more precisely where the car was parked when it was shot at? I would like to look at the location compared to the other locations. Did she maybe give more info in one of the interviews or on her Facebook as to where they were parked?

 

[SuziQ]

I've been searching for exact locations of the other incidents. I have not found any info

Anybody know more precisely where the car was parked when it was shot at? I would like to look at the location compared to the other locations. Did she maybe give more info in one of the interviews or on her Facebook as to where they were parked?

 

[RickshawFan]

That is the one thing I dislike camping re the site identification . I feel there is no need for last names to be put on the site mini wood pole stating the person's last name. Inviting danger to many things, JMO.

The tag on the pole is basically your receipt.

However, the car license plate numbers are a giveaway, too.

That campground has very large white numbers written on the hardtop. (See my link upthread). There'd be no mistaking at all what the number of the site is, and you could easily see that number in the dark unless a car were parked directly over it. Besides, you could get a visual on the layout during daylight hours.

 

[Oregonmama]

The tag on the pole is basically your receipt.

However, the car license plate numbers are a giveaway, too.

That campground has very large white numbers written on the hardtop. (See my link upthread). There'd be no mistaking at all what the number of the site is, and you could easily see that number in the dark unless a car were parked directly over it. Besides, you could get a visual on the layout during daylight hours.

We always get a receipt when we check in so I still do not find it necessary to post last names on the pole. A simple occupied sign should be enough but not my rules in re to State Parks

 

[Hatfield]

Anybody know more precisely where the car was parked when it was shot at? I would like to look at the location compared to the other locations. Did she maybe give more info in one of the interviews or on her Facebook as to where they were parked?

The newspapers are slowly getting out more information. I hope one of them is putting together a map of all the shooting locations. That would really help us too.

I found this that says the lady in the car was definitely at Malibu state park. Pictures of slug at link too.

"Last night I came out to Malibu State Park with the boyfriend to camp out for the night. It was cold and rainy and the campground was pretty empty. We parked away from the other campers,"

5 Shootings Near Malibu Park Within 2 Years, Are They Connected?


I also found this today that gives a little information about the location of the guy in the hammock.


"Rogers' campsite was within about a mile of where Beaudette was shot and killed."

After father's mysterious slaying at campsite, stories emerge of past shooting incidents

 

[Oregonmama]

Right. It just doesn't make sense to me someone would take money for this job when there are so many risks involved, not when there are easier and more secure ways to do it and get away with it. I've been reading all I can find about campsite/tent deaths and they are rare. I think it's most likely to be an accident, a personal murder (grievances old or new), or a random killer like Smith on the AT.

Random attack on two women at a state park in Oregon, 1977:
Woman Writes About Almost Fatal Ax Attack

What is confusing to us might make sense to the person(s) who did this.

 

[Tbone144]

Anybody know more precisely where the car was parked when it was shot at? I would like to look at the location compared to the other locations. Did she maybe give more info in one of the interviews or on her Facebook as to where they were parked?

I haven’t see it yet but I will add it to my picture if anyone can find out. I have the camping map too so if the spot is said some where it should be easy to figure out. I don’t think it’s camera angle, I’ve watched that video a few times of the hole and it looks like it’s angling down which is why the plastic/frame stopped it. Granted once it hit metal it should have tumbled but not enough to drop that far down in that short of distance. IMO

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
I am bothered by the fact it seems it took the public and the news articles to get LE to really start looking for a possible link between all the shootings.

My first thought whenever there is a 2nd or 3rd shooting in the same area is that they can be connected. In this area, we have no less than 5 similar shootings now in past couple years.

The rule of thumb I tend to use is they are related until proven otherwise. Always seems to me that LE takes the opposite approach and I find that upsetting.

Or it could be they know more than they are letting out and did not want to scare campers away from the area. That is always a possibility too.

No matter how it turns out I sure wish them luck in their investigation. This needs solved badly.

 

[Oregonmama]

JMO
I am bothered by the fact it seems it took the public and the news articles to get LE to really start looking for a possible link between all the shootings.

My first thought whenever there is a 2nd or 3rd shooting in the same area is that they can be connected. In this area, we have no less than 5 similar shootings now in past couple years.

The rule of thumb I tend to use is they are related until proven otherwise. Always seems to me that LE takes the opposite approach and I find that upsetting.

Or it could be they know more than they are letting out and did not want to scare campers away from the area. That is always a possibility too.

No matter how it turns out I sure wish them luck in their investigation. This needs solved badly.

The park is closed right now, right? Do you know how long?

 

[Hatfield]

The park is closed right now, right? Do you know how long?

Right. It is closed indefinitely at this point. No word on when it will reopen. All the news media has really taken off and is forcing LE to really investigate this which is a good thing.

 

[RickshawFan]

We always get a receipt when we check in so I still do not find it necessary to post last names on the pole. A simple occupied sign should be enough but not my rules in re to State Parks

That's the way it works in many campgrounds: you get a receipt and you put a paper thingy in your front window.

However, at some campgrounds, I've seen the names of folks who have reserved the site placed on those poles even several days before the reserve time. (They post early so you don't camp in a spot that is reserved for when you want to be there.)

You are also required at some campgrounds to put the paper thingy on the pole in front as you disembark.

From the video, does it even look like there were names on the poles?

Also, a hit would presumably have seen photos of the planned victim in advance. Having his/her name on a pole at the front of the campsite wouldn't make anything easier: there's plenty of information already available. There might have been: Allergan parking sticker, home parking sticker, the campground paper thingy in the window, visuals, the two kids as identifiers, license plates, chit chatting in the restroom.....

One of the best ways to scope out a campground is to take the dog for a walk. Also, people walking their dogs around the loop at this campground might have observed something. Walking gives you time to dawdle and have a look. People do exactly that! So do their dogs!!!!!

 

[RickshawFan]

Right. It just doesn't make sense to me someone would take money for this job when there are so many risks involved, not when there are easier and more secure ways to do it and get away with it. I've been reading all I can find about campsite/tent deaths and they are rare. I think it's most likely to be an accident, a personal murder (grievances old or new), or a random killer like Smith on the AT.

Random attack on two women at a state park in Oregon, 1977:
Woman Writes About Almost Fatal Ax Attack

Fatal carbon monoxide poisoning in a tent is more common than murder in a tent, AFAIK.

 

[ScorpioRising]

JMO
I am bothered by the fact it seems it took the public and the news articles to get LE to really start looking for a possible link between all the shootings.

My first thought whenever there is a 2nd or 3rd shooting in the same area is that they can be connected. In this area, we have no less than 5 similar shootings now in past couple years.

The rule of thumb I tend to use is they are related until proven otherwise. Always seems to me that LE takes the opposite approach and I find that upsetting.

Or it could be they know more than they are letting out and did not want to scare campers away from the area. That is always a possibility too.

No matter how it turns out I sure wish them luck in their investigation. This needs solved badly.

I strongly agree! There didn't seem to much news coverage if any about the other UNSOLVED shootings. I highly doubt this dad would have taken his kids there would he have known that other campers have been shot at before. At least a warning sign posted would have helped. I understand that this would make people uneasy and probably less people using the trail/campgrounds etc.
It reminds me of the Chelsea King case where she was attacked while jogging the same trail that another woman was attacked on and survived. It wasn't solved and yet i am pretty sure the public wasn't aware. Who would let their young school aged girl run in the same area that a woman was recently attacked on and the case was unsolved? Signs should be posted about criminal activity that is violent and unsolved since even if the locals would know these places are visited by out of town folks and tourists that also have a right to know.