Found Deceased CA - Maricela Garcia, 26, Reseda, 12 Jan 2017 #1

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  • #321
The only reason that I was given that this could be innocent moving and marking was that if she was indeed having some sort of break or bad reaction, ie thought someone was chasing her when no one was.
No history but nothing is too far out of the box.
 
  • #322
The way it was described as she was hiding and exhibiting the patterns of a person who was being chased...if someone grabbed her, it happened in that lot. Maybe at the entrance, maybe in the middle, maybe they caught up to her in the corner, but they caught her there. I think the brother meant even in that parking lot if she was grabbed, he thinks they took her behind there to do whatever they did, if there was a they
How would somebody get her all the way to the dumpster from her initial location outside the goodwill? That's an awful long way to drag or chase somebody, especially since the route goes through multiple buildings with people and/or cameras.
 
  • #323
The only reason that I was given that this could be innocent moving and marking was that if she was indeed having some sort of break or bad reaction, ie thought someone was chasing her when no one was.
No history but nothing is too far out of the box.

My brother has sudden onset of schizophrenia when he was about 21. He had no history of mental health problems. So it took us awhile to figure out what was happening to him. He was telling me that his ex gf was having someone follow him, and was trying to 'get him.' I believed him. It took awhile to realize he was delusional. :cry:
 
  • #324
The way it was described as she was hiding and exhibiting the patterns of a person who was being chased...if someone grabbed her, it happened in that lot. Maybe at the entrance, maybe in the middle, maybe they caught up to her in the corner, but they caught her there. I think the brother meant even in that parking lot if she was grabbed, he thinks they took her behind there to do whatever they did, if there was a they

But that is why it seems so odd. If someone was following her, and she was in a church and in a crowded market, why not call 911 or tell someone? Why would she run out to a dark parking lot all alone? And her phone was thrown out BEFORE she ran out to the dumpster? That makes no rational sense. Which makes me wonder if she was in a mental health crisis--throwing the cell away herself---fearing someone was watching her through the phone. I don't know---I could be wrong. It just feels that way to me for now.

That does not mean that she was not abducted at some point though.
 
  • #325
Wow mistivon, I'm so impressed by what you accomplished! It might not all make sense yet but I'm sure there are some important pointers you, your team, and that awesome dog found today (or rather yesterday).

In addition to following up on all the potential locations that might have footage, I would also suggest nagging LE about getting those items tested ASAP.
 
  • #326
Ok Gigtu. Really close. The street Wyandotte is not marked on any street signs. The handler said Mari walked partway down Wyandotte but we were not sure exactly where she was referring to...I thought maybe it was further down Lindley. After seeing it on your map, these is what I have come up with.
The green line indicated Mari's path of travel. Out of GW, down the strip along the sidewalk close to the building (although my lines are in the parking lot) then into Jon's. Out the front door of Jon's, then cut across at an angle to the front door of the church (there is a fence there, that's pretty much the only way to that entrance and we know she went in there). Then out the side door to the back left of the parking lot. See the little roundabout...it's just a little dead end (full of needles and drug paraphernalia) BUT that entire church parking lot is also fenced on the Jon's side. The only entrance/exit back into the parking lot is through that roundabout and back up. Therefore, she had to have gone to the back of Jon's AFTER the church. From there, she cut back across the church parking lot and out at the back corner onto Lindley. She went up a little further than what my map shows but not much. She then doubled back down the same side of the street and cut across to Kaiser. On the map, I drew the green arrows just going in one door out the other, but she could also have walked around either side of the building...although the side next to Lindley would be the most probable of the two. Then to the far corner of the parking lot.

The red x's are where we found items that might be hers. We suspected she might have gone out behind Jon's first, where she spent a few minutes, before heading to the church. Now, I am not sure that item was Mari's. Or that theory is still correct and she doubled back to the church also.

The purple dots are where the dogs indicated a hiding/chasing pattern or "holding". There were three. In the church. Right outside the front door of Kaiser tucked by a wall and beside/behind the dumpster.

The blue in the two and a half parking lots are because we are not exactly sure what her exact path was. The dog became "animated" in those two lots and there were "multiple" points of interest. Not sure if this means she criss-crossed, was moving quickly or the dog was just unsure. I know where the entrances/exits are to those lots and have noted where there were more definite type hits.

Does this help at all or just make it more confusing?
After this, I really have to finish up a bit for work and get some sleep. Otherwise, I'll be useless tomorrow.
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mistivon, you are amazing.

It it doesn't make sense that she was chased on foot, then randomly got cornered where someone just happened to have their car parked.

The he long pause behind Jons, then again at the dumpsters.... Hiding behind the wall at the Kaiser entrance....

Something tells me me she was not thinking clearly, possibly imagining things. Other than being on something, or having a mental issue, what else could cause odd thinking of this nature?
 
  • #327
Nothing. Mr. Mistivon should be a PI. He found things other teams missed and I mean, this man had his nose to the ground. Unless she was in an area, we did not walk, I don't see it. Nothing like this. BUT, he is going back tomorrow and I am sure he will look again. He is determined that somehow, we will find her.
After the dog lost her scent, the team took her back out, further. Their thought was if she had been put into a car, it takes a little bit for her scent to start wafting back out. Therefore, they "leapfrog" and see if they can pick it up again. They went out in every direction from that lot and a couple blocks north of where they lost her scent on Lindley. It was brought up that was possible. One reason hubs wants to go back tomorrow...an apartment complex overlooks that parking lot/dumpster and he wants to talk to people. A team also went all the way up to Saticoy to the North, Vanowen to the South, White Oak to the East and Reseda to the west. Nothing.

I have been following this story... fantastic job mistivon... during the search besides the dog hits.. did anything give sign of a struggle? Broken fencing... tire marks?? Maybe going back and going to those spots without the dogs will help to look closer for these things.. wish I was closer to help. Hope she is found safely


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  • #328
Nothing. Mr. Mistivon should be a PI. He found things other teams missed and I mean, this man had his nose to the ground. Unless she was in an area, we did not walk, I don't see it. Nothing like this. BUT, he is going back tomorrow and I am sure he will look again. He is determined that somehow, we will find her.
After the dog lost her scent, the team took her back out, further. Their thought was if she had been put into a car, it takes a little bit for her scent to start wafting back out. Therefore, they "leapfrog" and see if they can pick it up again. They went out in every direction from that lot and a couple blocks north of where they lost her scent on Lindley. It was brought up that was possible. One reason hubs wants to go back tomorrow...an apartment complex overlooks that parking lot/dumpster and he wants to talk to people. A team also went all the way up to Saticoy to the North, Vanowen to the South, White Oak to the East and Reseda to the west. Nothing.

The apartment complex is an excellent idea. There's a much greater chance for a lead where there are more people. Especially with it being during a time of day/night when people will be more likely to be coming and/or going from the complex. Hopefully he can leave flyers by the mailboxes where everyone will see them - even the people he won't be able to talk to because they are at work tomorrow.


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  • #329
My stomach has a pit after reading this. I'm in agony over the possibilities and Mari's fear. Why wouldn't she ask for help? I wonder if Sarah saw something from the 7-Eleven and just doesn't realize it yet.
I'm not sure Mari knew she could trust anyone enough to ask for help.
It's all still new information, but it's AWESOME information, thanks to Mistivon!

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  • #330
The apartment complex is an excellent idea. There's a much greater chance for a lead where there are more people. Especially with it being during a time of day/night when people will be more likely to be coming and/or going from the complex. Hopefully he can leave flyers by the mailboxes where everyone will see them - even the people he won't be able to talk to because they will be at work tomorrow.


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  • #331
I agree with katydid that there's a possibility that she might have suffered from paranoia or other mental health crisis.

Another thought is, is it possible she ingested some kind of drug unbeknownst to her sister during their time together that day, and then felt it hitting her more strongly than anticipated while they were at GW. Panicked that her sister might realize what she had done, she decides to disappear and lay low until the effect of the drug wears off. That might explain her erratic way of running around and losing belongings. She might have run further away and succumbed to an overdose somewhere, and not yet found. Sorry to even type this! I hope you will get more surveillance footage that might show whether she looked very confused, or even vomited, which might make this theory a possibility.

Also, another thought, I think it was GigTu who recommended to look inside the church whether she left something there. You did that. But what if she received something there? A message hidden in a book or under a pew? I know this sounds like out of a Jason Bourne movie, but that's what sprang to mind when I read that she sat in a pew for some time, then ran out hurriedly and looking scared. If she found a message in the church, it wasn't good news.

You did a fantastic job, mistivon! I so hope that LE will now take Maricela's disappearance more seriously.
 
  • #332
The mental health is entirely possible. Not intimating that she hid in a parking lot where a bad person's car happened to be...you can turn off of Lindley directly into the parking lot that has the dumpsters. Maybe she was hiding more from a car than a person? IDK, maybe the person chasing her had a buddy? Maybe the person chasing her, caught her at the dumpster and threw her in it when he was done with whatever. Maybe he caught her right as she came around the corner or out the back door and same thing.
We are discussing the item found may not be hers. It was not in as bad a shape as i would expect it to be...but it points to possibly being hers. Hubs thinks she may have told Sarah she was going to go smoke, gone out behind Jons and stayed there a minute, then come back in and out the front door before going to the church. He feels that if that item was hers, she did not feel as if she was in any danger at that point.
Where the phone was is a high traffic foot and car area. This trash container/dumpster is literally stuck in the middle of the parking lot. The thought about that was that someone driving down Wyandotte, or who entered the parking lot from the north (or even the south) tossed it out their window intending to hit the dumpster but missed. I had not really entertained the thought that Mari smashed her own phone...ditching the sim and battery so it couldn't be traced, sure...but would she stomp and smash it? If so, why not just throw it a little further actually into the dumpster where it would never have been found.
I know, paranoia is not rational. If she was in a crisis, she would not be thinking normally.
I just wish I knew. I was so sure I had a good idea what happened....and now I just don't :(
 
  • #333
mistivon, you are amazing.

It it doesn't make sense that she was chased on foot, then randomly got cornered where someone just happened to have their car parked.

The he long pause behind Jons, then again at the dumpsters.... Hiding behind the wall at the Kaiser entrance....

Something tells me me she was not thinking clearly, possibly imagining things. Other than being on something, or having a mental issue, what else could cause odd thinking of this nature?

Physical health issues (mainly affecting the heart or brain) can cause extreme confusion as well. But they are less likely for a person her age.
 
  • #334
mistivon, you are amazing.

It it doesn't make sense that she was chased on foot, then randomly got cornered where someone just happened to have their car parked.

The he long pause behind Jons, then again at the dumpsters.... Hiding behind the wall at the Kaiser entrance....

Something tells me me she was not thinking clearly, possibly imagining things. Other than being on something, or having a mental issue, what else could cause odd thinking of this nature?

Adverse reaction to a new medication?
 
  • #335
I can see where she would remove the battery and SIM card from her phone if she's trying to hide. I can also see an abductor doing the same thing. However, someone that's having a bad drug experience or a mental break is less likely to take the time to deal with this type of detail.


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  • #336
SD had a tracking dog, a trailing dog and a cadaver dog onsite. If the trailer had given any indication that Mari was still anywhere in the area at any point, they would have immediately brought out the next appropriate dog. They are certain that she is not in the immediate area. I wish I would have thought to request another dog at that dumpster..and remember I don't want to be cryptic but there was another item that was potentially hers found. If it was hers, there is no question in my mind what happened. I hope I can explain soon. My mistake was I did not immediately go to where they lost her scent. It was described as a parking lot...I'm thinking parking lot...not one for a football stadium :( I spent an hour at the church. If I had seen that first, I would have asked them to turn around and bring the dog. We hadn't found the item at that point and without that, they probably would not have so maybe the outcome would still be the same. Even if we had the item, again, there was no "evidence" to indicate she is/was gone or that a crime was committed....until tests come back.
I feel like we gained so much information but I feel like we still know nothing :(

Sure, if I want to disappear and not be tracked, I'll take out my sim and battery but would I then smash my phone and leave it for someone to find? That's too elaborate. I think I am overthinking. I will take a fresh look in the morning.

Please keep your ideas, questions, opinions coming. Thank you so much. Good night all.
 
  • #337
Where/how close did Mari live from the GW shopping center? She and her sister were on their way home via surface streets and Sarah wanted to stop at the Goodwill to get an outfit for a period party, right?
So, maybe the GW was close to their house? They maybe went to that shopping center frequently, even though this particular time wasn't planned. It could've been a normal go-to place that they went to just to see the new stuff.

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  • #338
Oh nevermind, Mari put the address in her GPS
Ohhhh, I think maybe they were looking for a certain item, possibly for the generation party, and when they googled where to find it, Google led them to Google maps.
I'm down a rabbit hole!

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  • #339
But, still trying to help, btw!

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  • #340
mistivon, some thoughts, questions:

Was Mari on her monthly cycle when she disappeared?

Did she sometimes act very extreme during her cycles (hormones)?

Could she have flushed her SIM card and battery? Did she use the church bathroom?

Is it possible she climbed into the dumpster to hide but never made it back out?

Definitely find out when and where that stuff went. Priority!

About 2 years ago now, we had a young runaway girl named Hannah Garner who took her SIM card out of her phone, left behind her actual phone, abandoned and smashed up her own car, then hitchhiked out of the area. She planned her getaway and wanted to make it looked like she had been the victim of foul play.

I suppose it's possible, but I do not believe Mari did that. The way she was walking around tells me she believd she was being followed. I partly think that may have just been in her own head though, only because she backtracked her path. However, if there was evidence found that she had been molested at the dumpsters... Again, I agree that we need to figure out where those contents are.
 
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