GUILTY CA - Massive fire at Oakland warehouse party, 36 dead, 2 Dec 2016 #3

[borndem]

If a off duty cop is at a bar.

Then we can't sue him for not reporting patrons leaving the bar and possibly about to drive under the influence. Jmo.

So maybe the firefighters that attended the party was the same thing.

Idk.

I agree, IDK either. Does "To protect and to serve" only last 8--9 hours a day, or is it a 24/7 kind of thing? Also, I'd still like to know for sure if OFD members were indeed at the G.S. or if it's only a fake story told by The Great Ion.

 

[borndem]

The only thing that comes to mind is "that is fuc8ed up"

Peroid.

What kind of idiots are you folks? You now make it less safe than it was a month ago when 36 young people lost their lives?

What is wrong with you all? And what really gets me is after the first week of press conferences, they gave all of us the feeling of wow govt officials who care --

well that is going down the toilet - and it's worse cause you all acted different than other govt people for the first week - now you turn out to be sleazier than the others- -at least they are sleazebags throughout

I cannot imagine what Git feelings were when she read this

lets pretend school buses had seat belts - this is akin to removing them after what happened last month .

Or lets convert all TU 154 aircraft back into commercial service.

Or passing out 18 wheelers to terrorists

Or take away bullet proof vests from cops

shut down tsa (well now there is an idea!)

Lower the drinking age to 12

Legalize crack

Remove air bags

post the nuclear codes online

Makes zero sense

Well we will just add this to the last months events won't we??

Thank goodness I have you guys- people that discuss what is going on around us and it sure seems like its been horrible the last month

and oh god Jan 21 is closer and closer brother............

feels like betrayal to me

Miss mayor you get an academy award

shame shame shame on you

I better stop - I fear gonna need you guys new years - really scared of new years

going to snuggle up with my lady love bug!

bbm

Oh my, Cariis, yes we've had a couple of very ruff & tuff months just lately. And the New Year will come roaring in whether we like it or not.

There are lots & lots of things we have learned here at WS, and we do look to each other for moral support and new ideas; we share all kinds of geographical info since we're all from everywhere; we are young/old/in-between, STS, so we get that helpful viewpoint; and we all have/have had different jobs and backgrounds, & life experiences, so we have so much knowledge here in this one place.

Let us all look forward to growing & learning more & more together and to having the serenity to accept the the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference. We can help each other help the small worlds and the big world in little bits here and there. Make things better when we can.

Happy New Year, Sleuthers!!!
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[CARIIS]

If a off duty cop is at a bar.

Then we can't sue him for not reporting patrons leaving the bar and possibly about to drive under the influence. Jmo.

So maybe the firefighters that attended the party was the same thing.

Idk.

I would think an off duty cop would do something tho

 

[CARIIS]

or Ng became the owner of a run-down warehouse 20 years ago, part of a larger divorce settlement with her husband.


For much of those two decades, she leased the building out to various renters, sometimes struggling to find tenants who would pay their rent in what was then a tough neighborhood.


County deeds show the giant warehouse and retail shops on the corner of 31st Avenue and International Boulevard were transferred to Ng’s sole name in 1996 shortly after she and her husband were named in a lawsuit filed by other family members.
In the split, her ex-husband, Hoi Man Ng, was awarded the family's $400,000 interest in a hotel in China.


Chor Ng took their Chinatown deli and investment properties — the Fruitvale warehouse, two Chinatown shops and the site of a dry cleaning business in San Francisco — along with $550,000 in unsecured personal debt.
She was 42, spoke little English and had two teens to support.
“I intend to sell the deli business and learn a new skill,” she told the court

For a time, the warehouse was leased to a tire shop owner who eventually was evicted for nonpayment. He was followed by a store owner who used the building to stash spare inventory.

Alameda County records show Ng moved to Pleasanton in 2015 with her daughter, Eva Ng, and her daughter’s fiance, an executive at a medical tech firm.

The wiring was antiquated and often would short out or arc, sending sparks jumping from light fixtures

In 1998, Oakland required Ng to make earthquake improvements to the Fruitvale warehouse. The process involved punching holes in the roof, and there was a downpour. Soriano and her husband, Flaviano, returned to find their business knee-deep in water. They blamed Ng.

sued Ng for $100,000 in damages and settled for $48,275, court records show

.http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ghost-ship-owner-20170104-story.html

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ghost-ship-owner-20170104-story.html

 

[CARIIS]

[h=1]What happened to $2.1 million raised after the Ghost Ship fire?[/h]

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01...each-displaced-residents-families-of-victims/

 

[borndem]

I just saw this:

[h=1]Oakland whistleblower: I spent two years complaining about fire inspections [/h]OAKLAND — In December 2015, after two years working for the Oakland Fire Department fire inspection bureau, Mark Grissom walked out for lunch and never went back.

Overwhelmed by the dysfunction and ineptitude of what the wildfire veteran called a “broken” inspection system, he’d had enough. For two fire seasons he complained about fabricated inspections to his boss, the mayor and the city administrator. He even drove the city auditor up to the Oakland hills for half a day to point out evidence thatfirefighters had fudged their reports, but little changed.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01...two-years-complaining-about-fire-inspections/

 

[human]

I just saw this:



http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01...two-years-complaining-about-fire-inspections/

Wow. Usually firefighters are super dedicated.

 

[Lilibet]

I just saw this:

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/13/oakland-whistleblower-i-spent-two-years-complaining-about-fire-inspections/

So it appears that property owners are defying ordinances requiring them to clear land around their homes to protect their own homes and their neighbors' homes in case of a wildfire in the Oakland hills. And they are being enabled by firefighters filing fraudulent inspection reports. I can't condone either one, but I will say that if owners would obey safety ordinances willingly, no inspections would be needed and/or no fraudulent reports would be written. Oh right, that's in a perfect world.

Defiance of law or regulations is the pattern in the Oakland hills and in the Ghost Ship. C'mon people.

 

[borndem]

Here's a link about a great fire that swept through the Oakland hills area in 1991 that is mentioned in the article I cited in my previous email. Amazing. I remember hearing about it over here on the east coast. That fire should have amazed and terrified anyone who was close to it -- especially fire-fighters, gov't and safety officials and citizens in & around those areas, IMHO.

25 years later: Oakland hills ripe for another firestorm

By Rachel Swan
October 20, 2016 Updated: October 20, 2016 2:05pm

Twenty-five years after a horrific firestorm killed 25 people and wiped out nearly 3,500 homes in the Oakland hills, the conditions are ripe once again for a similar — if not worse — disaster.


The 1991 inferno led to improved policies and equipment for fire and emergency crews, as well as fire-proof materials on homes and roofs. But the highly flammable trees that fueled the blaze have since regrown, and an ongoing legal battle has thwarted the city’s efforts to remove them.


“I go with what the Australians say about eucalyptus — they call them ‘gasoline on a stick,’” said Susan Piper, who is still haunted by a searing image from her escape on Oct. 20, 1991: A grove of eucalyptus trees aglow in flame exploded just yards from where she sat in her family van, stuck in traffic with her 9-year-old daughter.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/25-years-later-Oakland-hills-ripe-for-another-9984731.php

 

[JaimeSommers]

Ghost Ship Fire Survivor on Long Road to Recovery

"They said they were frightened," Maxwell's mother, Wendi Maxwell, said. "They said it went up in about 60 seconds. (Sam) had to climb down a ramp and stop at a landing ... and go down a foot-and-a-half and go down some stairs ... and then go into a room that was full of furnitire and full of smoke and no light and find the correct door."

Wendi Maxwell said one of Sam's friends who saw him come out said, he came out low and fast and strong and hard. She said that sounds like her son.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...vor-on-a-Long-Road-to-Recovery-410879705.html

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[Lilibet]

Three more nice articles about Sam with photos and videos. What an ordeal and it's nowhere near over.

Sam was the last person to leave Ghost Ship warehouse Dec. 2 in Oakland’s Fruitvale District as flames ravaged the building, killing 36 people, they said. He made it to the curb, but not before inhaling plumes of smokes that seared the inside of his lungs and burned his nose, ears and hands.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/15/oakland-ghost-ship-fire-survivors-parents-share-story/

Sam Maxwell sent an unusually alarming text message to his mom on December 2.
“It said, I’m alive I’m out and I had no idea what he was talking about,” said Sam’s mother Wendi Maxwell.

http://kron4.com/2017/01/15/video-ghost-ship-warehouse-fire-survivor-recovering-6-weeks-later/

According to Bill, "He has fought off pneumonia, sepsis, septic shock, a cardiac episode, blood pressure fluctuations, fevers, a swollen liver and spleen."

The Maxwells are guardedly optimistic. They don't fully know what to expect. Only that it will take weeks, possibly months. Sam will have to relearn to swallow, to nose-breathe, to form words with his tongue; he may need counseling to overcome post-traumatic shock.

"It ain't over yet," Bill Maxwell said.

http://www.recordnet.com/news/20170117/fitzgerald-surviving-ghost-ship-fire

 

[mom2four717]

Here's a link about a great fire that swept through the Oakland hills area in 1991 that is mentioned in the article I cited in my previous email. Amazing. I remember hearing about it over here on the east coast. That fire should have amazed and terrified anyone who was close to it -- especially fire-fighters, gov't and safety officials and citizens in & around those areas, IMHO.



http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/25-years-later-Oakland-hills-ripe-for-another-9984731.php

I was there for this horrendous fire. I lived in Orinda, CA. It is the first exit East of the Caldecott Tunnel which goes through the Berkeley/Oakland hills.
The devastation was stunning. I remember seeing the Orange glow from the other side of the hills. Helicopters made trip after trip to dip giant bags into our reservoir and fly back over the fire to dump them.
The first time I saw the burned side was unforgettable.
The people I know who lost their homes rebuilt on their property. It is a gorgeous area.

 

[borndem]

Just saw this.... A contentious meeting of the Wildlife Prevention Assessment District and the Oakland Fire Chief...

[h=1]Oakland fire chief threatens to sue hills resident in contentious meeting [/h]PUBLISHED: January 20, 2017 at 12:44 pm | UPDATED: January 20, 2017 at 6:15 pm

OAKLAND — Years of contentious meetings between Oakland Fire Chief Teresa Deloach Reed and an Oakland hills’ fire prevention committee boiled over Thursday night when the chief, in a 10-minute rant, threatened to sue a homeowner and claimed the organization was biased against her and used her as a scapegoat for problems in the hills.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01...to-sue-hills-resident-in-contentious-meeting/

 

[CARIIS]

I do not know-- is it time for us to conclude that no one is going to get charged with anything???

 

[Lilibet]

I do not know-- is it time for us to conclude that no one is going to get charged with anything???

Take heart! I think it's way too soon to conclude that no one will be charged. It's a complex investigation that could take many months or even a year. I expect charges. They may not be the many counts of murder two I hope Ion will be charged with, but I'm sure he and the owner will be charged with something. I don't believe they will just walk away from this. Of course once they're charged there will be at least two years of legal maneuvering before a trial and the possibility of plea deals along the way. So we're in for a long, slow slog IMO.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Well, there's this. Note that it comes from the defense:

Derick Ion Almena’s defense team, led by a prominent San Francisco lawyer, released a report Monday saying the fire did not start inside the Ghost Ship warehouse — but rather in an adjacent building. Almena’s attorneys said in a news release that their findings could rule out the possibility of criminal negligence charges against their client.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...house-fire-started/?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[Hoosgirl]

And this. Micah Allison

turned up at a special meeting of the City Council on Monday, where legislators were considering several proposals aimed at shoring up tenant protections and providing an emergency moratorium on evictions from unpermitted live/work spaces that spiked in the wake of the deadly blaze

and then apparently made it all about her and how hard it's been for them to find a new home and concentrate on "changing the narrative" that's out there. With this (IMO) very weak apology:

“The main thing I wanted to say is how sorry I am for what happened on Dec. 2,” Allison said, before thanking the activists and organizers at the meeting. “I wish that more had been done before because we carry a really heavy weight on our shoulders right now.”

(Cough) Did I mention it was all about her?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.merc...-shoulders-now/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[human]

And this. Micah Allison



and then apparently made it all about her and how hard it's been for them to find a new home and concentrate on "changing the narrative" that's out there. With this (IMO) very weak apology:



(Cough) Did I mention it was all about her?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.merc...-shoulders-now/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

Bummer. Maybe they coudl do somethng wild and crazy like get jobs.

 

[Lilibet]

You weren't kidding it was all about her!!!

 

[borndem]

Well, there's this. Note that it comes from the defense:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washgtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/24/the-new-theory-about-how-oaklands-deadly-ghost-ship-warehouse-fire-started/?client=ms-android-verizon

First of all, IANAL --

<Gag> WTH difference does it make where the fire started? -- the warehouse was a firetrap and it was like kindling wood; all it needed was spark -- and Almena certainly knew it from the beginning, IMO, yet he rented space to people & didn't care if they lived there or not -- and where did he get the power supply for the warehouse he leased??-- but IMO the OFD or whoever should have done something due to the complaints that were made. If lightning had struck & started the fire, the world would still be without those 36 human beings and the artist inhabitants would be out of their clothes, their creations and a place to live albeit a very ominous & dangerous place to live.

This just angers me so very much. This case really has its claws in me... Grrrrr.