GUILTY CA - Matthew Muller for kidnap, rape of 30yo woman, Vallejo, 2015

[kammiemc]

I think it's very possible he acted alone. Sounds like he likes to play mind games.

It sounds like he did act alone in this most recent event where he lost the fight and bailed (it sounded from his extremely long emails to LE and SF Chron that his gang disbanded thanks to DH's good character) but according to DH's account there were definitely multiple people involved in her kidnapping. Shoot, at this point, I am leaning to believing whatever she says.

 

[LinasK]

I think it's very possible he acted alone. Sounds like he likes to play mind games.

I got the same impression, unless the "we" are his multiple personalities...

 

[kammiemc]

I'm not so sure I believe the "got the wrong girl" story. I think that was part of the ruse he was playing, to mess with the minds of the two victims and to play-act that he let her off easy because she wasn't the intended target. I don't think he messed up his plan but had that part scripted ahead of time.

JMO.

I can totally see why that would make sense that the guy is lying, but both DH and her boyfriend said things to make it seem accurate that there was a mistake in her identity.

 

[corundogs]

No, he took her to Huntington Beach from Vallejo, he was arrested in June at his mother's house in S. Lake Tahoe once they traced ownership of the phone.

No...that is not what the 60 page document says.

It says that in March, the 2 phone calls made to "Victim M's" (the boyfriend) phone were made within 200 yards of the intersection of Hank Monk Avenue and Horace Greeley Avenue. That intersection is actually less than 200 feet of the S. Lake Tahoe address on Genoa Avenue.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/G...2!3m1!1s0x8099902bc753ceff:0x88687634372d28dd

http://www.scribd.com/doc/271476364/Arrest-Warrant-Complaint-SEALED on page 9 of the document.

So she had to have gone from Vallejo to S. Lake Tahoe and then Huntington Beach. Which is why we had this convo the other night. LOL!!! She did say she was drugged twice and put in the car for 2 separate drives but didn't know how long they were because of the drugging. Unless MM was never involved with the kidnapping in March and was just in S. Lake Tahoe pulling strings. But she was taken somewhere, so the S. Lake Tahoe house makes as much sense as anything, at this point.

I don't know how it all played out but I know, per those documents, that MM's TRACFONE that he purchased in March was used to call the boyfriend's phone from S. Lake Tahoe. Those facts seem pretty clear.

 

[LinasK]

No...that is not what the 60 page document says.

It says that in March, the 2 phone calls made to "Victim M's" (the boyfriend) phone were made within 200 yards of the intersection of Hank Monk Avenue and Horace Greeley Avenue. That intersection is actually less than 200 feet of the S. Lake Tahoe address on Genoa Avenue.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/G...2!3m1!1s0x8099902bc753ceff:0x88687634372d28dd

http://www.scribd.com/doc/271476364/Arrest-Warrant-Complaint-SEALED on page 9 of the document.

So she had to have gone from Vallejo to S. Lake Tahoe and then Huntington Beach. Which is why we had this convo the other night. LOL!!! She did say she was drugged twice and put in the car for 2 separate drives but didn't know how long they were because of the drugging. Unless MM was never involved with the kidnapping in March and was just in S. Lake Tahoe pulling strings. But she was taken somewhere, so the S. Lake Tahoe house makes as much sense as anything, at this point.

I don't know how it all played out but I know, per those documents, that MM's TRACFONE that he purchased in March was used to call the boyfriend's phone from S. Lake Tahoe. Those facts seem pretty clear.

Okay, I must have skimmed over and missed that. What I picked up on was that Dublin PD was able to trace the Tracfone to that cell tower when they arrested him at his mother's house there in S. Tahoe.

 

[jjenny]

It sounds like he did act alone in this most recent event where he lost the fight and bailed (it sounded from his extremely long emails to LE and SF Chron that his gang disbanded thanks to DH's good character) but according to DH's account there were definitely multiple people involved in her kidnapping. Shoot, at this point, I am leaning to believing whatever she says.

She was drugged and had goggles put on her eyes. He could have been doing multiple voices to make her think there was more than one person in the room.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

FBI releases pictures from 'Gone Girl' kidnappers claiming they show where they held her and the equipment used in her abduction

FBI files released Wednesday reveal photos and an email sent to the San Francisco Chronicle from self-described 'gentleman thieves'

In the email, the supposed kidnappers praised Denise Huskins, who some initially said was never abducted from her boyfriend's home

They also said they had intended to abduct a totally different woman

Thus far, the only charged kidnapper is Harvard Law educated former Marine Matthew Muller

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ee-claim-room-held-hostage.html#ixzz3g8cbECD3

 

[jjenny]

ITA....and u can bet LE will pay dearly for their wrongful mis-characterization of this couple. I can't believe the public humiliation these two have had to deal with = $$$$$

It's hard to sue police and prosecutors, because they are immune, but I believe it doesn't apply to when they make statements outside of their capacity.
Here we have what looks like a completely innocent victim, who didn't know the suspect, kidnapped, and raped, yet police made a statement that they were wasting resources looking for her, because this wasn't an actual kidnapping.
I could see big lawsuit on their hands.

 

[BoC_Max]

Possible Defamation of Character suit?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[jjenny]

Possible Defamation of Character suit?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Definitely.
Obviously police couldn't have had the evidence that kidnapping was a hoax, because we now know it wasn't a hoax.
So why was it so important for police to claim they wasted resources looking for the victim, so soon after the crime? Just because the crime was bizarre, doesn't make it a hoax, because we now know that alleged kidnapper wasn't rational.

 

[cvaldez1975]

that is an opinion piece and those studies are skewed. they like to point on the very few who somehow were able to get a fat payout but as a public employee, most of us cannot afford to retire until we are freakin 70, especially in the bay area. im paid maybe 2/3 of what someone who does my job in the private sector.

City of Vallejo filed for bankruptcy protection in 2008 and it was reported last year they might be headed toward a second one. Ironically one of the big problems is pensions, especially those of fire and police; in 2013 all pensions were 18% of the general fund and growing every year.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703625304575115551578762006

The study also found that lavish pay and benefit packages were a root cause of the city's problems. In Vallejo compensation packages for police captains top $300,000 a year and average $171,000 a year for firefighters. Regular public employees in the city can retire at age 55 with 81% of their final year's pay guaranteed. Police and fire officials can retire at age 50 with a pension that pays them 90% of their final year's salary every year for life and the lives of their spouses.

 

[jjenny]

I was not on this site at the time of this event, but, boy, I sure remember it. And I was joining in (in spirit) with the slamming of this couple for what came across as an obvious, and badly done, hoax. It was just so surreal. I feel so bad for them, particularly DH. To have gone through an ordeal like that and come out on the other side not being believed and instead being incriminated, and then being unemployable. Wow. Just wow.

I read that wholllllllllllllle doc. I wonder why the police didn't see any evidence in the dude's rantings that raised their eyebrows in terms of that he actually knew stuff not anyone would know.

Also, for anyone who hasn't read through the doc, DH did say that there were more perps involved than just Matthew and even was able to describe at least a couple of them and a car. It will be interesting to see if there are more arrests coming. The doc was sealed specifically as to not tip off those others being investigated that LE could be on to them.

Sheesh, I've learned a lot from this case. Anything can happen.

Police sure dropped a ball in this case. And while they can't be sued for doing a bad investigation, they can be sued for making public statements about the couple, because that is outside the scope of their work.
Hard to believe there are more people teaming up with this suspect, because suspect is pretty out there.
I think he wanted to convince the victims there were more people involved and not just him.
He could have been playing tricks on them to make them think there were more people.

 

[LinasK]

20/20 is reporting right now on this case in case anyone is watching- Stranger Than Fiction. I will be!
I learned it was his house in S. Tahoe, his mother is the one that lives in Orangevale. I had that reversed.

 

[verbonica]

20/20 is reporting right now on this case in case anyone is watching- Stranger Than Fiction. I will be!
I learned it was his house in S. Tahoe, his mother is the one that lives in Orangevale. I had that reversed.

I read that it was the family cabin at Tahoe where he was staying (maybe they just let him stay there since he was such a failure everywhere else):

"a stolen white Mustang discovered near the Muller family vacation home in South Lake Tahoe."

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article27228499.html#storylink=cpy

There's a good bio of him in that article too.

 

[kammiemc]

Police sure dropped a ball in this case. And while they can't be sued for doing a bad investigation, they can be sued for making public statements about the couple, because that is outside the scope of their work.
Hard to believe there are more people teaming up with this suspect, because suspect is pretty out there.
I think he wanted to convince the victims there were more people involved and not just him.
He could have been playing tricks on them to make them think there were more people.

I agree, I wouldn't want him to my ringleader. But then that would mean that DH is either mistaken or lying that she saw multiple people. I thought she described multiple people. But maybe it was trickery. I'm not sure I have the dedication to go back and read that lonnnnnnng doc.

 

[LinasK]

I agree, I wouldn't want him to my ringleader. But then that would mean that DH is either mistaken or lying that she saw multiple people. I thought she described multiple people. But maybe it was trickery. I'm not sure I have the dedication to go back and read that lonnnnnnng doc.

Doubt she is lying. Muller forced her to wear swim goggles that were covered with black tape, so she didn't get a look at her kidnapper(s). Personally, I think he used different voices to try to confuse her. He almost did commit the perfect crime in that he wasn't initially suspected, then that p*ssed off his ego that he didn't get the credit, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

I agree, I wouldn't want him to my ringleader. But then that would mean that DH is either mistaken or lying that she saw multiple people. I thought she described multiple people. But maybe it was trickery. I'm not sure I have the dedication to go back and read that lonnnnnnng doc.

She was drugged and he put goggles on her that she couldn't see out of. All he had to do to convince her that there were more than one person is to make noises and use different voices.
He clearly wants people to think there is a band of them. Even in the letters he wrote, he refers to multiple people. But I think all of these multiple people could be residing in his head.

 

[jjenny]

Doubt she is lying. Muller forced her to wear swim goggles that were covered with black tape, so she didn't get a look at her kidnapper(s). Personally, I think he used different voices to try to confuse her. He almost did commit the perfect crime in that he wasn't initially suspected, then that p*ssed off his ego that he didn't get the credit, IMO.

Perfect crime, because it was so bizarre, police declared it a hoax pretty much right away, instead of investigating.
I agree he was upset when police declared it a hoax, because he wanted credit. So he wrote these multiple letters to the journalist, claiming credit. Even then police wouldn't investigate. Maybe this department needs re-training.

 

[kammiemc]

Doubt she is lying. Muller forced her to wear swim goggles that were covered with black tape, so she didn't get a look at her kidnapper(s). Personally, I think he used different voices to try to confuse her. He almost did commit the perfect crime in that he wasn't initially suspected, then that p*ssed off his ego that he didn't get the credit, IMO.

I agree, do not think she was lying. I just reread some of the doc. I think I misled myself because the person/people involved in the kidnapping were referred to as "UNSUB #1" and "UNSUB #2" which sounded like it meant multiple people. And then it was stated that the doc was sealed so as not to tip off MM or anyone acting with him. But they might have just been covering their bases.

One thing that does make it seem like he was all alone in this is that he made DH tie up her boyfriend. If he really had his Ocean's 11 gang with him, why not just have one of his buddies do it?

She never saw anyone's face. She only said that she thought the guy she saw had reddish brownish hair. MM's hair looks dyed to me, so he might dabble in colors! What a looney tune, especially if he used different voices. :hills:

 

[kammiemc]

Perfect crime, because it was so bizarre, police declared it a hoax pretty much right away, instead of investigating.
I agree he was upset when police declared it a hoax, because he wanted credit. So he wrote these multiple letters to the journalist, claiming credit. Even then police wouldn't investigate. Maybe this department needs re-training.

So weird. He didn't even get any money and returned her. Plan failed. You'd think he'd be like PHEW and move on to his next crime instead of trying to drum up attention.