CA CA - Mitrice Richardson, 24, Malibu, 17 Sep 2009

[hollyblue]

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I don't see what you are referring to....if someone could enlarge it, would be super!~

Definitely.....and use a filter or whatever to make it clearer. Anyone?

Ruby Red????? Where are you?

 

[UCLAEigenguy]

HB, I am listening to the 911 calls again. On the YOU tube "Mitrice Richardson Police Recordings", the last 911 call from the gentleman listed seeing Mitrice at 5:30am (not 6-6:30am). Also from the location of the Sheriff Dept and Monte Nido, can Mitrice really walk that in 4 hours?

Also, I really feel like she was raped/left alive and dumped there, ended up in this guy's backyard, then just wandered and came across an animal ...JMO.

Yes, she could have easily walked to the Monte Nido neighborhood in 4 hours. Las Virgenes/Malibu Canyon Road is not as hilly and steep as it is past Piuma Rd. It would have been a demanding hike, but definitely plausible.

Someone mentioned footprints. Where were the footprints? By the remains?? I don't think she was chased into the thicket where her remains were found. Getting there would have required careful maneuvering based on what LE reported, and based on satellite imagery of that area.

Seems like an animal could have dragged the bones there, but not sure an animal (say a coyote) could carry both the skull and the leg bone simultaneously. If it did, or even if it made two trips, then the actual spot where she died is probably not far from there.

I am hoping LE studied the area for signs of an animal. It is still a big mystery how she got there.

 

[RubyRed]

Definitely.....and use a filter or whatever to make it clearer. Anyone?

Ruby Red????? Where are you?

I can't get into the video. Keeps saying it is not allowed from my location. Is it on any other site? If it is I will get a screen shot of the part you are referring to. So far I have not been able to find it.

 

[Kat]

I can't even get the video at the link to load. Sorry.

 

[hollyblue]

Yes, she could have easily walked to the Monte Nido neighborhood in 4 hours. Las Virgenes/Malibu Canyon Road is not as hilly and steep as it is past Piuma Rd. It would have been a demanding hike, but definitely plausible.

Someone mentioned footprints. Where were the footprints? By the remains?? I don't think she was chased into the thicket where her remains were found. Getting there would have required careful maneuvering based on what LE reported, and based on satellite imagery of that area.

Seems like an animal could have dragged the bones there, but not sure an animal (say a coyote) could carry both the skull and the leg bone simultaneously. If it did, or even if it made two trips, then the actual spot where she died is probably not far from there.

I am hoping LE studied the area for signs of an animal. It is still a big mystery how she got there.

Curious about the report of the footprints. Had it not rained in almost a year there? Or were the foot prints so deep (mud) that they would still exist? What had been the weather a few days before or after?

Interesting indeed.

 

[hollyblue]

I can't get into the video. Keeps saying it is not allowed from my location. Is it on any other site? If it is I will get a screen shot of the part you are referring to. So far I have not been able to find it.

I can't even get the video at the link to load. Sorry.

Oh pooh. I'll do some digging. Thanks bunches RR!

 

[hollyblue]

Still searching, but found this. Wow. She was really in a VERY REMOTE area as seen in this video. Someone is describing exactly where in this video. It's as if she had hiked to the tip of the mountain, or just dropped there from above. Reminiscent of speculation in the VA girl's remains found on a huge farm there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvRpiXZg6j4

 

[UCLAEigenguy]

Still searching, but found this. Wow. She was really in a VERY REMOTE area as seen in this video. Someone is describing exactly where in this video. It's as if she had hiked to the tip of the mountain, or just dropped there from above.

Took the words out of my mouth. How the heck did she get up there??? This had to have taken a couple of days for her to get up there. Maybe hoping if she went high enough somebody would notice her??? No clue.

Reminiscent of speculation in the VA girl's remains found on a huge farm there.

That case is a bit different because there was an access road nearby. An off road vehicle, tractor etc. could have been used to move Morgan from the access road to the corner of the property. That case is weird too, but it is obviously someone that knows that land. Here...no clue who or what could have happened.

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Thank you for posting that. I have not been that far down Piuma Rd to know what the surroundings look like. So, the remains were found on the side of a MOUNTAIN if I heard correctly? Also, the officer stated that there were no clothes with the remains. I though that had been confirmed that there were.

 

[hollyblue]

Took the words out of my mouth. How the heck did she get up there??? This had to have taken a couple of days for her to get up there. Maybe hoping if she went high enough somebody would notice her??? No clue.


That case is a bit different because there was an access road nearby. An off road vehicle, tractor etc. could have been used to move Morgan from the access road to the corner of the property. That case is weird too, but it is obviously someone that knows that land. Here...no clue who or what could have happened.

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Thank you for posting that. I have not been that far down Piuma Rd to know what the surroundings look like. So, the remains were found on the side of a MOUNTAIN if I heard correctly? Also, the officer stated that there were no clothes with the remains. I though that had been confirmed that there were.

LOL, poor choice of words on my part. Maybe "hills". Norheaster here. I live near mountains now, but have also lived in the plain states and SE and people there would call them "mountains". No such thing as a ridge, just "the other side of that hill over there"

Either she went there all by herself, or was escorted? If, someone was determined and very scared, they just might have carried her up there, someway, but dropped from the air is a possibility. I wonder if her bones were shattered?

Yes, there were a pair a jeans found near her IIRC. Video was on the day of discovery, so maybe communications weren't flowing at their best. It was mentioned cell reception was poor.

Regarding the footprints, I would imagine they were from the people who discovered her remains, unless, they discovered the footprints too. Which would really be a big hmmmmmmm.

 

[hollyblue]

Don't know if relevant, but an LA Probation area is very close to where she was:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...67,-118.697405&spn=0.045353,0.076818&t=h&z=14

 

[UCLAEigenguy]

Don't know if relevant, but an LA Probation area is very close to where she was:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=507+Cold+Canyon+Rd,+Calabasas,+Los+Angeles,+California+91302&daddr=1301+Las+Virgenes+Road,+Calabasas,+CA+91302-1905+(Los+Angeles+County+Probation)&hl=en&geocode=FbgDCAIdi-zs-ClNiHh1HiDogDHhVwVImz7NVQ%3BFf0hCAId_6Xs-CFAmaANl8ujFyn9QJCZMCDogDHTJbryXnrPSA&gl=us&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=34.083552,-118.699722&sspn=0.022677,0.038409&ie=UTF8&ll=34.084867,-118.697405&spn=0.045353,0.076818&t=h&z=14

That is back on Malibu Canyon Rd. Who knows though.

Occam's Razor: could she have been dumped from a helicopter?? That would be truly bizarre. All I can think of is she hiked up the hill because she was lost and hoped someone would see her. After watching that video, seems unlikely that an animal dragged the remains: skull, pelvic bone and other bones as well as clothes.

Take a look at the other videos on YouTube by user seavid (where this one came from). They are pretty telling. Watch the behavior of everyone involved. Something is up.

The video with Lee Baca ("remains identified part 2A" or something like that) has a very good map at the very end of it showing where she was last seen, where her body was found and where the murals were found, which was near the Stunt Ranch. This is a very large area.

 

[Betty P]

That is back on Malibu Canyon Rd. Who knows though.

Occam's Razor: could she have been dumped from a helicopter?? That would be truly bizarre. All I can think of is she hiked up the hill because she was lost and hoped someone would see her. After watching that video, seems unlikely that an animal dragged the remains: skull, pelvic bone and other bones as well as clothes.

Take a look at the other videos on YouTube by user seavid (where this one came from). They are pretty telling. Watch the behavior of everyone involved. Something is up.

The video with Lee Baca ("remains identified part 2A" or something like that) has a very good map at the very end of it showing where she was last seen, where her body was found and where the murals were found, which was near the Stunt Ranch. This is a very large area.

Thanks for the link to those videos, there is a lot of information there.

One that caught my attention was from the search of the Malibu Canyon area in June. Searchers found a large area with shacks, a travel trailer, etc. in a very remote area. There was also much, much more graffiti, similar to the graffiti found on Stunt Rd. Is it possible Mitrice came across or was picked up by some of the people growing pot/manufacturing drugs in those remote areas?

http://www.youtube.com/user/seavid#p/u/7/CwDxbRn6or4

It certainly would have helped if police had searched the area more thoroughly when she was spotted the following morning. Big missed opportunity.

That said, there's still a whole lot more investigating work being done. There will be a lot more information developed from the evidnece they've found upon discovery of her remains. We just have to be patient and see what it tells us.

 

[hollyblue]

That is back on Malibu Canyon Rd. Who knows though.

Occam's Razor: could she have been dumped from a helicopter?? That would be truly bizarre. All I can think of is she hiked up the hill because she was lost and hoped someone would see her. After watching that video, seems unlikely that an animal dragged the remains: skull, pelvic bone and other bones as well as clothes.

Take a look at the other videos on YouTube by user seavid (where this one came from). They are pretty telling. Watch the behavior of everyone involved. Something is up.

The video with Lee Baca ("remains identified part 2A" or something like that) has a very good map at the very end of it showing where she was last seen, where her body was found and where the murals were found, which was near the Stunt Ranch. This is a very large area.

Yes, but it is very near where she would have taken that left into the "neighborhood" she was seen in. Not sure what that location really is. Is it just for juveniles? Just a little hmmmm for a possibility.

It was quite a hike into where she was found. Said it took the rangers 3 hours. Logically, I don't know why she would be headed there. If she wanted people to see her, she would have stayed in the neighborhood, you'd think. But you would think she would ask someone to make a call for her, unless she might have been afraid they would call LE again.? Unless some real nutball wanted to take her up there, and adamant about it, I think her being dropped by air is a real possibility; she was taken out by sheriff's helicopter. ????

I have watched all 3 of the videos filmed by seavid, and yes, their behavior was VERY noticeable...body language and all. Maybe nothing, but wasn't it the LAPD that was overseeing this case, and LASD only assisting them? The reason being MR lived within LAPD's boundaries. Wasn't there conflict about the missing person's report being given to LAPD on that premises? YET, we have the sheriff's dept taking the lead in the recovery? Was it just PR..only.? Granted, they may be walking on egg shells for obvious legal reasons, but still a question of what really happened that night. I am not one to normally diss LE, but something is not just right here. The idea she may have been raped, and then dumped in the area, as mentioned by another poster, could be very real. Why did she decide (if SHE did) to go off Malibu Canyon Road? Potty? Lurking driver? ????? Sooo strange, she did not, apparently, try to make contact or ask for assistance from anyone. Rather sort of snapped at Mr Smith when he questioned her, that she was just resting. (From audio) Just weird.

If LE did have anything to do with it and are covering it up, I don't think we'll ever know unless someone spills the beans, but I'm keeping an open mind to all scenarios until more info comes out.

 

[hollyblue]

Thanks for the link to those videos, there is a lot of information there.

One that caught my attention was from the search of the Malibu Canyon area in June. Searchers found a large area with shacks, a travel trailer, etc. in a very remote area. There was also much, much more graffiti, similar to the graffiti found on Stunt Rd. Is it possible Mitrice came across or was picked up by some of the people growing pot/manufacturing drugs in those remote areas?

http://www.youtube.com/user/seavid#p/u/7/CwDxbRn6or4

It certainly would have helped if police had searched the area more thoroughly when she was spotted the following morning. Big missed opportunity.

That said, there's still a whole lot more investigating work being done. There will be a lot more information developed from the evidnece they've found upon discovery of her remains. We just have to be patient and see what it tells us.

BBM

Yes, I think this was when the footprints were noticed. I had thought they were speaking of the crime scene area. As UCLAEignegy mentioned, it is huge area between the graffiti, her body, and where her sighting took place. I have ideas to the connection, but wont' touch it right now....a little too bizarre or horrific.

TY for the link and the location of the graffiti. I didn't pick up on that info previously.

 

[Kenon]

I am a little lost here. Was the graffitti in Malibu canyon and mitrice's remains off of Piuma road? I am asking cuz that is a distance from each other. When I watched the video there was some very interesting stuff. If Malibu canyon had the graffitti and Mitrice was found off Piuma then it's not that weird.

 

[UCLAEigenguy]

I am a little lost here. Was the graffitti in Malibu canyon and mitrice's remains off of Piuma road? I am asking cuz that is a distance from each other. When I watched the video there was some very interesting stuff. If Malibu canyon had the graffitti and Mitrice was found off Piuma then it's not that weird.

As we all were until some more specific information started being shared. I thought the lack of information about locations has been strange. The graffiti was NOT found in Malibu Canyon (although that is what has been stated). It was northeast of the intersection of Malibu Canyon/Piuma and closer to Mulholland Hwy. Not far, but not close.

Mitrice was found deep in brush. If I heard correctly, the side of a mountain (did anyone else catch that?) that formed the walls of a ravine (actually, it seems more like a canyon). In terms of Piuma Rd, she was east of where she was last seen, but quite a ways from Piuma Rd. I can't even imagine a scenario (except for being dropped by helicopter) with her ending up there. The area where her remains were found is NOT in Malibu Canyon; rather, east of it. Some reports stated this ravine is a remote area of Malibu Canyon, but looking at maps, it is reasonable to state that it is not.

The pot farm theory is interesting. During the search for Jared Michael Negrete, searchers stumbled upon a pot farm as well. His body was never found.

 

[hollyblue]

As we all were until some more specific information started being shared. I thought the lack of information about locations has been strange. The graffiti was NOT found in Malibu Canyon (although that is what has been stated). It was northeast of the intersection of Malibu Canyon/Piuma and closer to Mulholland Hwy. Not far, but not close.

Mitrice was found deep in brush. If I heard correctly, the side of a mountain (did anyone else catch that?) that formed the walls of a ravine (actually, it seems more like a canyon). In terms of Piuma Rd, she was east of where she was last seen, but quite a ways from Piuma Rd. I can't even imagine a scenario (except for being dropped by helicopter) with her ending up there. The area where her remains were found is NOT in Malibu Canyon; rather, east of it. Some reports stated this ravine is a remote area of Malibu Canyon, but looking at maps, it is reasonable to state that it is not.

The pot farm theory is interesting. During the search for Jared Michael Negrete, searchers stumbled upon a pot farm as well. His body was never found.

LOL, yes, I caught it. Question for you. What exactly is that graffiti painted on? Besides, old trailers, containers, etc.. Old foundations? What are the walls? Just pieces of stucco left over from a patio? That is truly sad to see that in such a beautiful area. Where are the property owners and why is that allowed to continue? Are these paintings just from kids going up there and partying or is there more to it? Sorry for what may be dumb questions, but I would never have dreamed this would be in that location.....so use to seeing it in the city. TIA

 

[Kenon]

Thanks UCLA but I am still confused. If that trailer and all the graffiti was near where she was that would be an excellent clue. But that far away I'm thinkin it's not workin. When you go thru those canyons and your going to the beach they are beautiful and you don't think all that stuff can be down there. It's a reality check with the graffiti and stuff and the trailer. It's pretty scary. How come the cops let that trailer stay there that says in the window "no trespassing" Do the cops question them. Those people that draw over everything should really put their talent elsewhere as they are very good artists. I am leaning now towards the fact that Mitrice wasn't on her own. I don't think I'm buying the element story. One more thing she was very friendly to the people in the restaurant. She probably would have been friendly to people that she thought was going to help her. She was very vulnerable. Anyone could have taken advantage of her easily.

 

[Betty P]

Just thinking, here. If she stumbled across or was picked up by some pot growers/ drug dealers who were working in the area, they wouldn't dump her near their hideout. They would likely know the area pretty well and would be able to leave her someplace that was well hidden.

Judging from the google map in one of the posts above showing where they found her remains, the location wasn't too far from a residential road. Still an isolated area and the homes are pretty far apart. It seems feasible they could have driven her to that neighborhood (Brown Latigo St.) and made the short, but difficult hike down there to leave her. I'm not familiar with the area at all, but maybe someone who is local can offer an opinion.

I'm not convinced of a helicopter drop by LE. There would have to be so many people at the sheriff's office involved, its highly unlikely they could get them all to cooperate in such illegal activity.

IMHO, the sheriff's office reps are all talking strangely because they've been sued by the girl's family and are the subject of calls for federal investigations, etc. They're probably very careful about what they're saying for those reasons as well.

MOO

 

[hollyblue]

Just thinking, here. If she stumbled across or was picked up by some pot growers/ drug dealers who were working in the area, they wouldn't dump her near their hideout. They would likely know the area pretty well and would be able to leave her someplace that was well hidden.

Judging from the google map in one of the posts above showing where they found her remains, the location wasn't too far from a residential road. Still an isolated area and the homes are pretty far apart. It seems feasible they could have driven her to that neighborhood (Brown Latigo St.) and made the short, but difficult hike down there to leave her. I'm not familiar with the area at all, but maybe someone who is local can offer an opinion.

I'm not convinced of a helicopter drop by LE. There would have to be so many people at the sheriff's office involved, its highly unlikely they could get them all to cooperate in such illegal activity.

IMHO, the sheriff's office reps are all talking strangely because they've been sued by the girl's family and are the subject of calls for federal investigations, etc. They're probably very careful about what they're saying for those reasons as well.

MOO

What I'm having trouble with is how isolated this area is yet people must have hiked up there to care for their crops. Maybe they set up isolated camps as they do in Mexico or Columbia....but still a lot of work to get supplies, food, and necessities up there. Couldn't get much more remote around close-in LA I would think, and she wasn't found for almost a year.. and in thick brush, so maybe no need to travel to rid of the body???

I really don't want to think the SD would do that either...nor anyone with a plane, but sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. The officer who took Latice's call early in the morning did not know anything of a Mitrice Richardson being booked at his facility only 7 hrs earlier. Just sayin'