CA - Multiple casualties after 'active shooter' opens fire, Thousand Oaks, 08 Nov 2018

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He described the man as a recluse who liked motorcycling, electronic music and dancing by himself in a closed garage "in 100 degree weather."

Suspect in California bar shooting identified as 28-year-old former Marine

But neighbors say the placid street belied the tempestuous behavior of Long, who arrived with his mother about a dozen years ago as a teenagers.

Neighbors said they sporadically heard screaming matches from inside the home, often punctuated with profanities from the young man.

The man seemed more agitated and unsettled when he returned from the military a few years ago, said Don and Effie MacLeod, who live over the back fence.

"One look at the guy and you could tell something was wrong," said Don MacLeod. "He was full of bad temper."

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An obituary in the Santa Ana Orange County Register said Ian Long’s father, David Bruce Long, died in 1999 of liver failure, when Ian Long was 9 years old.

In 2006, Long and his mother, Colleen Long, moved into the home on Fowler Avenue, according to property records. Neighbors said his mother was friendly, quick to exchange a nice word during her frequent walks with her three German shepherds.

Thousand Oaks gunman had ‘several contacts’ with police over the years

But they described in vivid words the angry and troubled nature of her son.

Carol Richardson, who lives a few houses down from the Longs, said a friend went to the home a few times to “calm him down.” After Wednesday night’s shooting, Richardson said her son texted her, “I bet it was that guy.”

“We always knew he had problems,” said her 19-year-old daughter, Morgan Richardson.


Blake Winnett, who lived with Long for a few years, most recently in 2014, said he never saw signs of PTSD or mental health problems in his former roommate.

“He was just quiet . . . did his own thing,” said Winnett, 35. “Kept his door closed all the time.”

Long listened to music constantly, he said, rarely appearing without his ear buds. He recalled seeing Long dancing alone in their garage on several occasions.

“I would open the garage and he’d be in there all sweaty,” Winnett said. “He would put his laptop on the dryer playing this EDM trance music and it’d be like 100 degrees in there. But he would always keep the garage shut.”

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Sometimes, Long would go into the Reseda home’s garage and dance alone to electronic dance music, even on sweltering days.

“He’d be in the garage for an hour, 100 degrees outside and in the middle of the day,” Winnett said.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-shooter-profile-20181108-story.html

Winnett said he would sometimes coax Long into grabbing a drink at bars in Los Angeles and Simi Valley or nearby areas.

Long, he said, occasionally went to Borderline, but the bar’s Western vibe wasn’t really his scene.

Another former roommate in the Reseda house, who requested anonymity to protect her privacy, said she felt that Long did have some PTSD from the war. But his personality changed after the motorcycle crash. The accident required Long to undergo surgeries and left him unable to work out, she said.

“He started taking pills for his pain, and he was just not the same,” she said. “His demeanor definitely changed. I didn’t know if it was due to the accident itself and the pain, or the pills. He had a character change and was more isolated.”

She said he spent nine months never leaving the house, mostly holed up in his room, before moving back in with his mother in 2016.

“In retrospect, should I have done something?” the roommate said. “I did think to myself, I remember vocalizing this, ‘If I know anyone that might become a shooter, it would be Ian.’ ”
 
  • #302
He described the man as a recluse who liked motorcycling, electronic music and dancing by himself in a closed garage "in 100 degree weather."

Suspect in California bar shooting identified as 28-year-old former Marine

But neighbors say the placid street belied the tempestuous behavior of Long, who arrived with his mother about a dozen years ago as a teenagers.

Neighbors said they sporadically heard screaming matches from inside the home, often punctuated with profanities from the young man.

The man seemed more agitated and unsettled when he returned from the military a few years ago, said Don and Effie MacLeod, who live over the back fence.

"One look at the guy and you could tell something was wrong," said Don MacLeod. "He was full of bad temper."

....

An obituary in the Santa Ana Orange County Register said Ian Long’s father, David Bruce Long, died in 1999 of liver failure, when Ian Long was 9 years old.

In 2006, Long and his mother, Colleen Long, moved into the home on Fowler Avenue, according to property records. Neighbors said his mother was friendly, quick to exchange a nice word during her frequent walks with her three German shepherds.

Thousand Oaks gunman had ‘several contacts’ with police over the years

But they described in vivid words the angry and troubled nature of her son.

Carol Richardson, who lives a few houses down from the Longs, said a friend went to the home a few times to “calm him down.” After Wednesday night’s shooting, Richardson said her son texted her, “I bet it was that guy.”

“We always knew he had problems,” said her 19-year-old daughter, Morgan Richardson.


Blake Winnett, who lived with Long for a few years, most recently in 2014, said he never saw signs of PTSD or mental health problems in his former roommate.

“He was just quiet . . . did his own thing,” said Winnett, 35. “Kept his door closed all the time.”

Long listened to music constantly, he said, rarely appearing without his ear buds. He recalled seeing Long dancing alone in their garage on several occasions.

“I would open the garage and he’d be in there all sweaty,” Winnett said. “He would put his laptop on the dryer playing this EDM trance music and it’d be like 100 degrees in there. But he would always keep the garage shut.”

....

Sometimes, Long would go into the Reseda home’s garage and dance alone to electronic dance music, even on sweltering days.

“He’d be in the garage for an hour, 100 degrees outside and in the middle of the day,” Winnett said.

After Thousand Oaks shooting, picture emerges of a troubled ex-Marine known to authorities

Winnett said he would sometimes coax Long into grabbing a drink at bars in Los Angeles and Simi Valley or nearby areas.

Long, he said, occasionally went to Borderline, but the bar’s Western vibe wasn’t really his scene.

Another former roommate in the Reseda house, who requested anonymity to protect her privacy, said she felt that Long did have some PTSD from the war. But his personality changed after the motorcycle crash. The accident required Long to undergo surgeries and left him unable to work out, she said.

“He started taking pills for his pain, and he was just not the same,” she said. “His demeanor definitely changed. I didn’t know if it was due to the accident itself and the pain, or the pills. He had a character change and was more isolated.”

She said he spent nine months never leaving the house, mostly holed up in his room, before moving back in with his mother in 2016.

“In retrospect, should I have done something?” the roommate said. “I did think to myself, I remember vocalizing this, ‘If I know anyone that might become a shooter, it would be Ian.’ ”


Hi :) Marking this post
(Thank you, you just reminded me where I had left off in my mini study—it was on the aspect of “loner”...and wait, @human, she said incel...

That’s where we left off a few days ago before all this...it was this “incel” business with which I’m not familiar—-

Is this applicable here?
 
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So do you guys think that there might be a break for a bit, as far as mass shootings go?

(What is a break anyway? Days? Weeks? Months? I doubt we go past months. No way. Sorry to say. Moo.$

Only question is when and where is the next one.

JMO

I hope for continued positive and constructive discussions rolling here together.
 
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Our people see every day that if you hate someone, they deserve to die. That's what the prevailing mode of thought is in this country, it seems. I love the U.S. for many reasons, but if i ever have the chance to leave, I will. It's unsafe and full of nastiness. I'm sorry if someone thinks that's unpatriotic, but this isn't what the U.S. should be! We're capable of so much but we'd rather destroy everyone else and ourselves instead.

Another big heart ache — you said it: patriotism — it is sooo sad this was done by one of our own Marines, whom I love and respect as know more than words but could ever say.

First ones in, last ones out, gentleman...

Marine family here on a few different levels.

Going to call my adopted marine brother an ask him what he has to say about this


I know exactly what he’ll say.
(Let’s see)

He had his ear shot off. He was the lucky one. The rest of his team died.

My other adopted brother, now deceased, was a Marine (died of a brain tumor. No condolences necessary but poi tia he was The BIggest gentleman on earth.)

Sad all round.

So what do yoga shooter vet from last week and this guy immediately have in common?

Side by side comparison of basic stats:

(Too tired....maybe later lol)
 
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  • #306
Real good and true Marines are gentleman, protect...

They are the best of the best.

If I ever would’ve joined the military it would no doubt have been the Marines.
 
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Veteran Population - National Center for Veterans Analysis and Statistics

According to the Dept. Of Veterans Affairs (link) there were about 22 million veterans in the United States in 2014.

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That number should provide some perspective. The Colorado theater shooter, Orlando nightclub shooter, San Bernardino shooters, Las Vegas shooter, school shooters, and most mass shooters are not veterans.

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For PTSD, the estimates range from 10% to 30% rates from the Vietnam War forward, including "at some point in their lifetime" which seems like something temporary. (too many links to post, too many opinions, so I posted the range)

I am not seeing 10% of 22 million = 2.2 million veterans with PTSD committing mass shootings.

ANY mass shooter is an anomaly.

Marking

Noting in my study I have subclassified school shooters

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Veterans are (now) a subcategory as well
 
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Another big heart ache — you said it: patriotism — it js sooo sad this was done by one of our own Marines, whom I love and respect as know more than words but could ever say.

First ones in, last ones out, gentleman,.,

Marine family here on a few different levels.

Going to call my adopted marine brother an ask him what he has to say about this.

I know exactly what he’ll say.
(Let’s see)

He had his ear shot off. He was the lucky one. The rest of his team died.

Sad all round.

So what do yoga shooter vet from last week and this guy immediately have in common?

Side by side comparison of basic stats:

(Too tired....maybe later lol)

This mass killer had mental issues before he became a Marine, according to some of his high suchool teachers and friends.
 
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Trauma actually changes the brain. There is much info on this whole issue. The brain can be scanned nowadays,

Yes, trauma does affect the brain, moo. Both physical and mental.

I’m interested in (mental/ emotional) trauma changing the brain and finding this interesting, please post some links you recommend, tia.
 
  • #311
To me, it comes off a little more nihilistic. I'm speculating, obviously. For whatever reason, the shooter is pissed and wants to cause as much damage as possible because perhaps he blames others (an "unfair society") for his perceived failures. Not sure infamy has any value once you're dead, iykwim.

I agree with you, however, I think some of these cases could have an aspect of "Now you will notice me. Now you will know how I feel. Now you will remember me."
 
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This mass killer had mental issues before he became a Marine, according to some of his high suchool teachers and friends.


Exactly.

From what I have read he was showing signs of being a trouble maker/problem child before the military. Then with the anger issues he ends up being a machine gunner.
 
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Ian David Long: What we know about the gunman in the Thousand Oaks bar shooting - CNN
Authorities have identified a Facebook post believed to have been made by the shooter around the time of the attack, according to a law enforcement official familiar with the ongoing investigation.

In it, the writer says: "I hope people call me insane... (laughing emojis).. wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'.. or 'keep you in my thoughts'... every time... and wonder why these keep happening..."

When CNN read the post to a friend of Long's, who did not want to be publicly identified, the friend said, "That does not sound like Ian to me at all. I don't know what was going through his head when he wrote this. It must have been terrible."
 
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Exactly.

From what I have read he was showing signs of being a trouble maker/problem child before the military. Then with the anger issues he ends up being a machine gunner.

Based on my experience and opinion I agree with this statement.
1) During 70's I was Instructional Asst. in a community college
program designed to help Viet Nam veterans assimilate back
into a productive life. Step one for many was to pass the General
Education Diploma (GED). I recall discussions with many of
these vets and they joined the military because their life
prior to joining was devoid of any future. They had no plan or hope for succeeding in life. They were lost. Upon discharge
they were still lost and had no future.
2) Had a friend, social worker, in NE, who also counselled
returning vets from Nam. She was convinced the vets who
claimed PTSD were ALL messed up mentally before they
went into military.
 
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How utterly depressing and infuriating is it that statistically in the US you can survive one mass shooting only to be killed in another. I'm just so sad and angry right now.

I just read about Tel, I have no words
 
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His ex-wife is "terrified" her name would be revealed and WaPo reveals the first name on a package at her apartment.

Disgusting.`

Her full name is mentioned, elsewhere, in other articles.
She will unfortunately be contacted by more reporters.
 
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