CA - Multiple casualties after 'active shooter' opens fire, Thousand Oaks, 08 Nov 2018

[Charlot123]

Well said. My guess is that he could have been motivated by deep seated aggression mixed with a sense of entitlement regarding women, success / material possessions etc. Any sense of entitlement to material possessions may of been compounded by the fact that he was not exactly on the cusp of a high paying career. Rather, he was drifting.

As he was not getting his "entitlements", he gets increasingly frustrated. This frustration then dials up inherent aggressive tendencies. The result is suicide via rampage killing.

Agree about the abuse situation.

Here is what I think about career. He had a plan and then changed it after speaking with a D2 athlete. This already tells us something. He could have looked at better-paying fields and transferred some credits. As an Ex-Marine he probably had some help from the army.

This alone tells me a lot. That he lacked perseverance in pursuing the career. It was his own.

 

[Charlot123]

Borderline Bar gunman's ex-wife posted sexy photos of herself on day of divorce | Daily Mail Online

This probably made him angry.

Why do people immediately get angry? And keep it?

He was not bad-looking himself. She wanted to be a model, hence, photos. Understandable.

He could have posted his own photos, saying "Ex-Marine" showing muscles and holding a kitten, like Australian firefighters do, instead of getting angry. He'd get more likes, I am positive.

 

[Breezie]

If we did not know what we know now, looking at his past info would seem like a guy who could have had it all

He did have it all for a short time. He had a beautiful wife and a potential future with the marines. Possible ptsd and injuries from the motorcycle accident must have made him feel the loss of having an independent life. When he went to the bar, and saw his old friends and classmates, living their lives, it would have been hard on him.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Unless this has changed, the Marines are considered an elite branch of the armed forces and they have stricter requirements. To become a Marine you need to meet their standards which includes a high school diploma, moral, mental and physical strength along with an aptitude and fitness test.

So I would of expected some flags... Goes back to their requirements when he enlisted then as per previous discussion xx

 

[Breezie]

Agree about the abuse situation.

Here is what I think about career. He had a plan and then changed it after speaking with a D2 athlete. This already tells us something. He could have looked at better-paying fields and transferred some credits. As an Ex-Marine he probably had some help from the army.

This alone tells me a lot. That he lacked perseverance in pursuing the career. It was his own.

He decided that he did not want a 19 year old athlete telling him how to do his job so he quit school and considered re-enlisting. He may have wanted a job where he could tell a nineteen year old what to do instead of having one tell him what to do

Suspect in California bar shooting identified as 28-year-old former Marine

In March 2017, Long appears to have written that he was two months away from a bachelor's degree in "Athletic Training," but no longer desired to work in that field.

"I found out a little too late that just wasn’t the job for me," read the post. "Maybe the ego got the better of me but it took only one time for a 19 year old D-2 athlete to talk down to me and tell me how to do my job that I realized this wasn’t the career I wanted to head."


Long also apparently wrote that he was choosing to stay enlisted because of "how much quicker (with my prior service) it would be to get into the regiment rather than going to the dark side."

 

[Cryptic]

From what I've read about IL it seems there were signs of mental health issues prior to joining the Marines. There are a number of mental health conditions that prevent a person from enlisting in the armed forces. However, it looks like his mental health issues were either undetected, unknown or overlooked.

I think it is important to differentiate between being "mentally ill" and being displaying low to mid level anti social behavior with an inclination for sexual assault.

Those with anti social tendencies are not mentally ill, neither are the vast majority of those with criminal inclination to commit sexual assaults. Anti social tendencies are basically sociopathic tendencies. Sociopaths are not mentally ill. As a result, Long may not of ever been mentally ill.

As a side not, sociopathy is a graduated scales. Those over 19 on a test (Hare?) are said to show 'sociopathic tendencies'. Those over 30 are full sociopaths with 36 being the most extreme. If Long was not mentally ill, my guess is that he would of been over 19, but under 30 on that test.

Unless this has changed, the Marines are considered an elite branch of the armed forces and they have stricter requirements. To become a Marine you need to meet their standards which includes a high school diploma, moral, mental and physical strength along with an aptitude and fitness test.

All true.

At the same time, low to mid level anti socials sans criminal records are permitted to enlist in the Marines. Even if they were not, detecting them in the course of an enlistment interview is very hard. Any long term Marine will probably tell you they have known a few "bad apples" in their careers.

Low to mid level anti socials permitted to enlist does not mean they are "sought after" and does not always mean "promoted". Fortunately for the Marines, a lot of low to mid level "bad apples" quit after the initial enlistment. Those that remain tend to find ways of hiding or toning themselves down.

 

[human]

My daughter’s ex bf tried getting into the Marines a few years ago. He was denied, After he moved away and I have no idea of his life after he moved, he was accepted into the Marines.

Whaf changed? Do not know. He was a compulsive liar and womanizer, though

 

[Cryptic]

My daughter’s ex bf tried getting into the Marines a few years ago. He was denied, After he moved away and I have no idea of his life after he moved, he was accepted into the Marines.

Whaf changed? Do not know. He was a compulsive liar and womanizer, though

Depending on the needs of the service branch that year- and even the goals of a recruiting district, acceptance rates of marginal recruits can vary. Thus one can be marginally undesirable on one occasion, but marginally acceptable on another.

 

[UKslueth2018]

I think it is important to differentiate between being "mentally ill" and being displaying low to mid level anti social behavior with an inclination for sexual assault.

Those with anti social tendencies are not mentally ill, neither are the vast majority of those with criminal inclination to commit sexual assaults. Anti social tendencies are basically sociopathic tendencies. Sociopaths are not mentally ill. As a result, Long may not of ever been mentally ill.

As a side not, sociopathy is a graduated scales. Those over 19 on a test (Hare?) are said to show 'sociopathic tendencies'. Those over 30 are full sociopaths with 36 being the most extreme. If Long was not mentally ill, my guess is that he would of been over 19, but under 30 on that test.



All true.

At the same time, low to mid level anti socials sans criminal records are permitted to enlist in the Marines. Even if they were not, detecting them in the course of an enlistment interview is very hard. Any long term Marine will probably tell you they have known a few "bad apples" in their careers.

Low to mid level anti socials permitted to enlist does not mean they are "sought after" and does not always mean "promoted". Fortunately for the Marines, a lot of low to mid level "bad apples" quit after the initial enlistment. Those that remain tend to find ways of hiding or toning themselves down.

I guess the label mentally ill is used because the action doesn't appear to be coming from a sane person (from my perspective and I am sure everyone else's)

I do think it's important to differentiate as too many labels get given incorrectly xx

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Detectives-track-social-media-trail-in-probe-of-13380906.php

Authorities also were investigating whether he believed his former girlfriend would be at the Borderline Bar and Grill, said the official, who was briefed on the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second law enforcement official, Ventura County Sheriff’s Capt. Garo Kuredjian, said that — based on time stamps — the gunman apparently stopped shooting inside the bar and posted to Instagram.

Kuredjian said he didn’t know the content of any posts. Instagram and Facebook typically refuse to discuss individual accounts and did not respond to a request for comment.​

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Bar gunman apparently paused during massacre to make Instagram post

Authorities described an attack of military efficiency. None of those injured was hurt by gunfire. When the gunman shot his .45-caliber pistol, he killed. As scores of police officers closed in, Long apparently shot and killed himself.
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bbm

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

analysis

Opinion | Thousand Oaks shooter highlights how privilege repeatedly leads to carnage

Gun violence in America is getting so bad that survivors of other attacks are now getting killed later, in subsequent shootings. Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks, California wasn’t just any bar. Some of the survivors of the Las Vegas shooting met for solace there after the Oct. 1, 2017 attack — by a white man — that left 58 dead. Telemachus Orfanos survived that Vegas attack, and was killed in the November 8 Borderline shooting.​

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

tragic

Thousand Oaks shooting victim confirmed as survivor of America's worst ever mass shooting a year ago

A man who survived America's worst ever mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was killed in another gun massacre at a bar in California this week.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, a US Navy veteran, was among 12 people shot dead at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousands Oaks, just outside Los Angeles, on Wednesday night.

The shooting happened 13 months after 58 people died when a gunman opened fire at a country music festival in Las Vegas.​

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The role of PTSD in mass shootings – a Q&A

Q: What are some other symptoms?

A: They cluster in four areas. Re-experiencing the trauma, so flashbacks, nightmares, recurrent thoughts. Then there is arousal, which includes irritability, difficulty concentrating and difficulty sleeping.

Another set of symptoms have to do with withdrawal and numbing — feeling disconnected from people and emotionally blunted. And finally, avoiding things that might remind you of the trauma — not wanting to talk about it and avoiding certain people and places.

Q: Do most people with PTSD develop it as a result of military service?

A: No. It’s much more common to be exposed to it through community violence, sexual violence or sexual assault.

We’ve done work in the Los Angeles County school system that shows one-third of kids who have been exposed to community violence suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome. Most of these kids are flying completely under the radar. It’s the seventh-grade girl sitting quietly at her desk or the eighth-grade boy playing basketball. They are not shooting people.​

 

[YESorNO]

Victims of Thousand Oaks shooting were full of hope and heroism

 

[Breezie]

California bar mass shooter Ian Long paused for Instagram post in middle of rampage - NY Daily News

His motive in his own words, ... he was bored.

Ian David Long, 28, noted on Instagram that he was bored, not crazy — and wondered whether people would believe he was rational when word of the massacre spread, law enforcement officials told ABC News on Saturday.

“It’s too bad I won’t get to see all the illogical and pathetic reasons people will put in my mouth as to why I did it,” Long posted at 11:24 p.m., Wednesday on Instagram, just one minute before police entered the bar.

“Fact is I had no reason to do it, and I just thought… f--- it, life is boring so why not?”

 

[Breezie]

Chilling social media posts by California gunman during rampage | Daily Mail Online

 

[not.a.muggle]

He decided that he did not want a 19 year old athlete telling him how to do his job so he quit school and considered re-enlisting. He may have wanted a job where he could tell a nineteen year old what to do instead of having one tell him what to do

Suspect in California bar shooting identified as 28-year-old former Marine

"I found out a little too late that just wasn’t the job for me," read the post. "Maybe the ego got the better of me but it took only one time for a 19 year old D-2 athlete to talk down to me and tell me how to do my job that I realized this wasn’t the career I wanted to head."

RSBM

So, he sounds like an entitled egomaniac who made snap judgements based on feelings rather than facts.

 

[KaaBoom]

analysis

Opinion | Thousand Oaks shooter highlights how privilege repeatedly leads to carnage

Gun violence in America is getting so bad that survivors of other attacks are now getting killed later, in subsequent shootings. Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks, California wasn’t just any bar. Some of the survivors of the Las Vegas shooting met for solace there after the Oct. 1, 2017 attack — by a white man — that left 58 dead. Telemachus Orfanos survived that Vegas attack, and was killed in the November 8 Borderline shooting.​

And if you survive the second, you might not make it through the third time. This is a never ending downward spiral of gun violence. The end is getting very near, and it's not going to be pleasant for anybody in this country.

 

[margarita25]

Mass shooting victims remembered at Thousand Oaks church service and memorial - Los Angeles Times