Still Missing CA - Noah McIntosh, 8, Corona, early March 2019 *parents arrested*

[Lilladyj]

@LietKynes
No offense taken at all...I totally agree that JG should have done alot of things differently...if her parents reported suspected abuse by BM then I'm sure she was well aware too...so she definitely has some responsibility, how much I'm not sure yet.

 

[Knox]

Where is Noah?!

 

[cvaldez1975]

But are we assuming the kid told CPS that?

Constitutional rights to parent one's children are protected in this country. The authorities can't just yank someone's kids from their care without due process -evidence. And the statement of a relative about what a kid told them is not strong enough evidence unless that child repeats the statement to authorities or there is other, supporting evidence (likes spiral fracture after child to grandparents that parent broke their arm).

Here's a scenario:

You have a child. Your mother in law is crazy and hates you. She criticizes your care of your child and becomes overly involved in the child's life. She doesn't respect your boundaries as a parent. You start to believe she wants to take your child somehow. You begin limiting grandma's time with your child and tensions grow.

One day CPS shows up at your child's school with police. Grandma claims your child made a statement about abuse by you, to grandma. CPS takes your child out of class and questions her. Your child denies the abuse.

Without corroborating evidence, should the government then have the power to traumatize your child by snatching her out of your custody and putting her in emergency foster care based on an unsubstantiated statement by a relative?

Sadly, family make false allegations of abuse regularly. Over money. Hatred. Anger. Child custody disputes. Etc.

And unfortunately kids who are abused often are too scared to admit to the abuse because they've been threatened. So without more, the authorities' hands are tied. For good reason.

I want to see what CPS was told and by whom before concluding they dropped the ball. These can be difficult cases.

this happened to my 3 steps in a custody dispute. BM made allegations and actually schemed with the middle child. the police and CPS showed up at all three of their separate schools and pulled them out of class. the oldest called dad immediately after (the reason for the custody dispute is because the school reported BM to CPS for suspected abuse of the oldest and we won after a lot of money time and heartache, but this whole episode was pretty traumatizing).

 

[kkdj]

Is there any news on this case?
It just seems to have gone silent.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I pulled up the code and there are a lot of possibilities. None of them good. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&sectionNum=300.

this seems like something that was filed to take custody of the other child from the parents.

 

[cvaldez1975]

That was beautifully said.

It’s a bit slow on the local news update front. Many of us who are local have been hanging blue ribbons all morning to raise awareness for Noah. It’s amazing to see how the community has come together. The community has bought up all the ribbon from local stores and people have been buying anything they can get their hands on and digging into their gift wrapping supplies to help. BLUE RIBBONS FOR NOAH

I’m not sure if others have been able to watch the news but my friends and I who have been following it locally have been hard work all morning and will be continuing into the evening.

very nice. my oldest children's father / ex husband used to live in Corona and my dear friend and her daughters still live there.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Agreed. There’s so much area to search I’m not sure how the authorities can cover it all.

There is a small group that lives near the apartments which has been performing unsactioned searches despite the police asking people not to. They even went out today and it was raining cats and dogs.

I think at this point most people think the same thing. I’m not sure why the police aren’t allowing searches so the family can get some closure. They have the suspect(s) in jail... I wound think what they really need is a body.

I think the police know its a recovery mission and don't want any evidence disturbed.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Are both parents charged and being held on the exact same charges or are they different? If they are the same, until more information is released by LE, I have nothing more to go on when forming an opinion on culpability than that fact and what has been reported by LE to the media about an incident occurring that BOTH were involved in back in February.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Here's mom:

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ok I do see lots of pics of the kids both are absolutely darling and look well cared for. I suspect mom and kids lived w her parents and dad was in and out. he convinced her to "try again" w him to get away from the prying eyes of the grandparents and assert control. none of the custody was ever legal IMO.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Anyone who has spent any time on these boards knows how LE acts when they believe a child is alive and missing, and how they act when they believe a missing child is deceased. LE's actions speak volumes in how they are handling this case.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Good point.^^ ^

And if she'd been able to get photo or video evidence of BM's behavior-- she could have won full custody, and the children would be safe ... and none of us would be reading here about Noah.

I agree with you but some women are gaslighted and controlled so long they break. and if she was on drugs, dad could have been all "youre on drugs no court will give them to you" its complex.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Are both parents charged and being held on the exact same charges or are they different? If they are the same, until more information is released by LE, I have nothing more to go on when forming an opinion on culpability than that fact and what has been reported by LE to the media about an incident occurring that BOTH were involved in back in February.

the more I read, I think the mom saw the abuse in feb and didn't do anything, poss afraid idk. but hopefully we soon find out.

 

[Roadette]

Are both parents charged and being held on the exact same charges or are they different? If they are the same, until more information is released by LE, I have nothing more to go on when forming an opinion on culpability than that fact and what has been reported by LE to the media about an incident occurring that BOTH were involved in back in February.

Bryce is held on two charges while Jill is held on one. I’m on my phone so posting photos is more difficult but I put some earlier in the thread.

Bryce’s current charges (as of 3-27): 273A(A) and 300

Jill’s current charges (also as of today): 273A(A)

There’s still nothing major released on the case. I’ve been out of town but not one has told me about people hanging ribbons stumbling across any other active police searches.

 

[kkdj]

I think the police know its a recovery mission and don't want any evidence disturbed.

I agree. Unless the mom was asleep in her car or participated in putting him somewhere, how could the dad remove him from the apt?

 

[gitana1]

Bryce is held on two charges while Jill is held on one. I’m on my phone so posting photos is more difficult but I put some earlier in the thread.

Bryce’s current charges (as of 3-27): 273A(A) and 300

Jill’s current charges (also as of today): 273A(A)

There’s still nothing major released on the case. I’ve been out of town but not one has told me about people hanging ribbons stumbling across any other active police searches.

It's confusing because upon review, that code section (W&I 300) is not really a charge. It is not within the penal code.

Instead, it defines how jurisdiction over a child can be obtained in a dependency court case, like when a juvenile is removed from the parents' care.

Both parents have been charged with one count of penal code section 273 A (a).

I will edit to provide a screen shot. The case number for future reference is
RIF1901251.

 

[gitana1]

I believe that Noah was subjected to systematic abuse/torture, by his sperm donor. I believe the mother was at least aware and did not stop him.

I think Noah slowly died and that the parents fought over what to do as the child was dying. Dad may have kicked out mom and did not allow her back in because he disagreed with calling for help, so she may have been unaware as to when exactly he succumbed.

The mother would have had excellent grounds for custody against the father due to his apparent lack of involvement.

However, the grandparents would've had much better grounds than either parent, IMO, if indeed they had raised the kids most of their lives and if there were on-going issues with the parents.

The fact that the mother supposedly camped out and did not go for help earlier nor ask her parents for assistance indicates to me a level of not fear, but culpability. Maybe either drugs were at play or she didn't want to give her parents reason to try to get the kids back, IDK. But both parents were charged with the same crime, although there are two ways to get there - one is inflicting the abuse and the other is allowing it to happen.

I will never accept the abused spouse excuse for allowing a child to be harmed. No amount of fear of a spouse/partner could come close to the level of fear at my child being abused/killed.

I would kill any person who is harming my child before allowing them to continue to harm my kid.

 

[gitana1]

 

[gitana1]

Note that a complaint was "imaged" on 3-19-19, so it is available if someone wants to pay a fee to obtain it.

 

[Roadette]

Latest update: Police search for missing 8-year-old Corona boy at Lee Lake – Press Enterprise

It looks like they are searching a lake not too far from the apartment for Noah

 

[gitana1]

Latest update: Police search for missing 8-year-old Corona boy at Lee Lake – Press Enterprise

It looks like they are searching a lake not too far from the apartment for Noah

I'm thinking one will have to agree to cooperate in exchange for a deal in order for the body to be found. Maybe.