CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

[AzPistonsGirl]

The relative who claimed French was non verbal said French no longer spoke. Which obviously implies that at some point he did speak.

but that was not what you said. Twice. You implied that nonverbal folks can't post online or attend university, period. We both know it. Please have some compassion.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Those are some amazing mental gymnastics lol. IMO.
Law states he should have retreated and only give proportional force if required
I dont believe he did either.
Do you really think this guys parents who were also shot were piling onto of him and his child looking to kill before he shot all 3 of them.... yet no injuries to the kid and minimal if any to him?

I posted this above but maybe French grabbed the officers arm causing shots to go awry. The whole point of self defense is to prevent serious injury.

I'm sorry you feel my post is a stretch. JMO

 

[beatrixpotter]

I think he had his infant child with him, possibly carrying him/her and that might have contributed to him escalating so quickly.

Men rarely shop with infants and they certainly don't carry them while they shop. Why? Because they can't carry an infant and push a cart. I highly doubt it was an infant. You still don't whip out a gun and shoot if someone upsets you in the frozen foods section. You also don't shoot THREE people in the frozen foods because you are carrying your infant. If anyone really needs to take down someone attacking them that's one thing but no one is going to believe a man and his elderly parents all three attacked a cop holding an infant in Costco. As my husband just said when I told him about this case, "There is something seriously wrong with the number of cops snapping and shooting people."

I don't understand how people can hear of this or watch the video of those officers screaming at that pregnant woman over a doll from the dollar store and insist on blindly assuming these men are in the right. Men who act like that are disgusting and vile. I don't care if they are wearing a uniform and paid by the government. There is something wrong that they seem to only know how to escalate situations instead of defuse them and try and actually save lives. Decent honorable men don't shoot 3 people unless there is a darn good reason and I will assume the innocence of the dead over the police officer at this point. Why? Because there is a serious pattern of abuse in this country. And we aren't talking about someone shot at the end of a high speed chase. This was a man shopping in Costco with his elderly parents. You know what I never hear about? Men attacking and beating other men to death while shopping at Costco with their parents. I don't assume the unarmed man and his parents deserved to die. I suspect the trigger happy man with a gun.

 

[jjenny]

but that was not what you said. Twice. You implied that nonverbal folks can't post online or attend university, period. We both know it. Please have some compassion.

I am not sure what compassion has to do with this? There was some claims that an argument preceded the shooting. If Mr. French was truly non-verbal, then how exactly could he have argued?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

law says retreat and proportionate force. No shooting should have occurred. Especially in a public place.
I'd reevaluate if its proven he had a weapon, but they reported many times the only weapon was the cops gun.

You believe that French was unarmed while I'm not sure of that yet.

You believe that means this shooting was unjustified. I'm not sure of that yet. JMO

 

[Curiousobserver]

Men rarely shop with infants and they certainly don't carry them while they shop. Why? Because they can't carry an infant and push a cart. I highly doubt it was an infant. You still don't whip out a gun and shoot if someone upsets you in the frozen foods section. You also don't shoot THREE people in the frozen foods because you are carrying your infant. If anyone really needs to take down someone attacking them that's one thing but no one is going to believe a man and his elderly parents all three attacked a cop holding an infant in Costco. As my husband just said when I told him about this case, "There is something seriously wrong with the number of cops snapping and shooting people."

I don't understand how people can hear of this or watch the video of those officers screaming at that pregnant woman over a doll from the dollar store and insist on blindly assuming these men are in the right. Men who act like that are disgusting and vile. I don't care if they are wearing a uniform and paid by the government. There is something wrong that they seem to only know how to escalate situations instead of defuse them and try and actually save lives. Decent honorable men don't shoot 3 people unless there is a darn good reason and I will assume the innocence of the dead over the police officer at this point. Why? Because there is a serious pattern of abuse in this country. And we aren't talking about someone shot at the end of a high speed chase. This was a man shopping in Costco with his elderly parents. You know what I never hear about? Men attacking and beating other men to death while shopping at Costco with their parents. I don't assume the unarmed man and his parents deserved to die. I suspect the trigger happy man with a gun.

"Kenneth French, 32, of Riverside assaulted the Los Angeles Police Department officer Friday night while he was holding his young child, the department said in a statement Saturday. The officer fired his gun, hitting French and two of French’s relatives, the department said."

Off-Duty Police Officer Kills 1, Injures 2 After Apparent Altercation Inside California Costco

And BTW I completely agree that pulling a gun on a 4 year old for steeling a barbie is ridiculous, or opening fire in a crowded Costco

 

[Wagtales10]

You believe that French was unarmed while I'm not sure of that yet.

You believe that means this shooting was unjustified. I'm not sure of that yet. JMO

What more than "Only one weapon, the gun, was used at the scene" do you need? MSM has reported it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What more than "Only one weapon, the gun, was used at the scene" do you need? MSM has reported it.

Does a person have to be armed with a weapon to cause a situation where lethal force can legally be used to stop the threat of great bodily harm or death?

 

[mickey2942]

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[SoCalDavidS]

That video from Pheonix shows the power trip a cop can be on then immediately lie after.

A cop Lie? Nope.....Never Happens. Cops are almost as honest as Priests. And you know how honorable Priests are.

 

[Wagtales10]

Does a person have to be armed with a weapon to cause a situation where lethal force can legally be used to stop the threat of great bodily harm or death?

I think it's a stretch to assume something that can happen without a weapon, where the person "being attacked" and their child have no injuries, deserves to be executed and their parents gunned down with 6-7 shots in a public place.

California Law requires them to retreat

You also keep ignoring the fact they have reported the only weapon was the cops gun

 

[Curiousobserver]

Costco shooting: LAPD investigates off-duty officer who killed a man in crowded store

"A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation told The Times that the officer was holding his 1-year-old while standing in line for a food sample at the store Friday night when he got into an argument with another man that quickly became physical. The source said the 32-year-old man, identified as Kenneth French, escalated the conflict to blows and knocked the officer to the ground.
The officer did not know of the man’s disability at the time, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Authorities said the assault, which was captured on Costco security cameras, was unprovoked and led the officer to fire his weapon, killing French and wounding two of French’s family members, whom a relative identified as French’s parents."

Having a 1 year old with you might have made this officer much more likely to escalate this right away.

“The real question will be whether a reasonable person in the situation of the shooter would have believed he was under attack, threatened with death or serious bodily injury,” he said. “The shooter has to feel like they’re about to be attacked and there was no less drastic alternative.”

The fact that the officer’s child was in his arms at the time and that the people injured were not armed will be major factors in determining whether the level of force was justified, said Ed Obayashi, a Plumas County sheriff’s deputy and use-of-force advisor to the California Assn. of Police Training Officers."

 

[Wagtales10]

Costco shooting: LAPD investigates off-duty officer who killed a man in crowded store

"A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation told The Times that the officer was holding his 1-year-old while standing in line for a food sample at the store Friday night when he got into an argument with another man that quickly became physical. The source said the 32-year-old man, identified as Kenneth French, escalated the conflict to blows and knocked the officer to the ground.
The officer did not know of the man’s disability at the time, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Authorities said the assault, which was captured on Costco security cameras, was unprovoked and led the officer to fire his weapon, killing French and wounding two of French’s family members, whom a relative identified as French’s parents."

Having a 1 year old with you might have made this officer much more likely to escalate this right away.

let's see the tape.

We have another Drejka on our hands, except there is no stand your ground law in Cal

 

[Wagtales10]

Costco shooting: LAPD investigates off-duty officer who killed a man in crowded store

"A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation told The Times that the officer was holding his 1-year-old while standing in line for a food sample at the store Friday night when he got into an argument with another man that quickly became physical. The source said the 32-year-old man, identified as Kenneth French, escalated the conflict to blows and knocked the officer to the ground.
The officer did not know of the man’s disability at the time, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Authorities said the assault, which was captured on Costco security cameras, was unprovoked and led the officer to fire his weapon, killing French and wounding two of French’s family members, whom a relative identified as French’s parents."

Having a 1 year old with you might have made this officer much more likely to escalate this right away.

6-7 times, including shooting his parents?

 

[Curiousobserver]

let's see the tape.

We have another Drejka on our hands, except there is no stand your ground law in Cal

Agree 100%- public has to see this with their own eyes.

 

[Wagtales10]

Its hunting season on civilians for cops. Anything is justifiable, even if the law states you must retreat!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think it's a stretch to assume something that can happen without a weapon, where the person "being attacked" and their child have no injuries, deserves to be executed and their parents gunned down with 6-7 shots in a public place.

California Law requires them to retreat

You also keep ignoring the fact they have reported the only weapon was the cops gun

You are ignoring my question so I think it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Wagtales10]

Does a person have to be armed with a weapon to cause a situation where lethal force can legally be used to stop the threat of great bodily harm or death?

According to California Law, in your home, no
Outside your home? Yes as you have to retreat first and only give proportional force back.

This could have easily been stopped if he retreated. He's a cop, he's trained. This goes against training, i hope.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Society can't have separate rules, laws, procedures for citizens that are not followed for police officers. Slippery slope to a police state.

We could be in a "police state" before the night is out. In other words, we're already there.

 

[jjenny]

6-7 times, including shooting his parents?

Well, that's exactly right. If you believe what the source says, then only Mr. French attacked the cop. Source doesn't say parents were doing anything. Under which law is shooing of the parents justified? And I am really curious how supposedly non-verbal man can be involved in an argument.