CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

[jjenny]

According to California Law, in your home, no
Outside your home? Yes as you have to retreat first and only give proportional force back.

This could have easily been stopped if he retreated. He's a cop, he's trained. This goes against training, i hope.

If he is knocked to the ground that he can reasonably argue he couldn't retreat.

 

[Wagtales10]

Well, that's exactly right. If you believe what the source says, then only Mr. French attacked the cop. Source doesn't say parents were doing anything. Under which law is shooing of the parents justified? And I am really curious how supposedly non-verbal man can be involved in an argument.

I imagine an angry cowboy cop started yelling at him for doing something socially rude like maybe cutting in line or taking multiple samples. I wouldnt even be suprised if the cop shoved him first or even followed him yelling.

 

[Wagtales10]

If he is knocked to the ground that he can reasonably argue he couldn't retreat.

Then he can point the gun and say get back. Not shoot 6-7 times taking out a mentally handicapped man and his parents with 7 shots.

He had options and shooting 7 times was not one.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

You believe that French was unarmed while I'm not sure of that yet.

You believe that means this shooting was unjustified. I'm not sure of that yet. JMO

Are you seriously kidding me? That would have been at the TOP of every story if it were the case. The police department would have been shouting that from the rooftops. Even if it was a pocket knife.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If he is knocked to the ground that he can reasonably argue he couldn't retreat.

That's a good point. What if the officer was down on the ground with his young child beside him.

If French began to kick him,nearly missing his child, would that be grounds for using lethal force in stopping the attack, thereby protecting his child and himself from serious injury? JMO

 

[jjenny]

That's a good point. What if the officer was down on the ground with his young child beside him.

If French began to kick him,nearly missing his child, would that be grounds for using lethal force in stopping the attack, thereby protecting his child and himself from serious injury? JMO

I presume it could be grounds for shooting the attacker. But as far as has been reported, the parents were not attacking this cop. So how many people in addition to attacker is one allowed to shoot in a crowded place? And mother is still in the coma, from what has been reported.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Are you seriously kidding me? That would have been at the TOP of every story if it were the case. The police department would have been shouting that from the rooftops. Even if it was a pocket knife.

Yes I'm serious. Why wouldn't I be?

Maybe French wasn't armed with a knife. Maybe their was no attack initiated by him.

I'm not sure of any of those things yet. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I presume it could be grounds for shooting the attacker. But as far as has been reported, the parents were not attacking this cop. So how many people in addition to attacker is one allowed to shoot in a crowded place? And mother is still in the coma, from what has been reported.

Maybe French grabbed the officers arm causing shots to go awry during the shooting.

I think this is perhaps the fourth time posting this LOL.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Nobody here has seen the video yet- it might look very different than you are imagining.

Could be an innocent man waiting in line with his 1 yr old, viciously attacked, or it could be a cowboy cop aggravating a disabled man and then shooting him when he finally reacts.

We don't know

 

[Wagtales10]

Maybe French grabbed the officers arm causing shots to go awry during the shooting.

I think this is perhaps the fourth time posting this LOL.

Would that be during the first, second, third, forth, fifth, sixth or seventh shot?
Excessive aint it?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Would that be during the first, second, third, forth, fifth, sixth or seventh shot?
Excessive aint it?

Yep. I already said that It seems that an excessive number of shots were fired.

I've always felt that LE needs to improve the marksmanship of it's officers so that a minimum number of shots are used to stop the threat. JMO

 

[jjenny]

wait. I assumed someone else would have pointed this put already but there are a lot of non verbal people who post online and/or also attend university.

All I meant that at some point he could use verbal communication because he was posting on social media until recently (using words in sentences).
He could also talk since the relative said he stopped talking recently. I am really curious what condition could cause such a deterioration since none of the relatives that went public seem to know what condition Mr. French actually had. I am also curious whether he actually was no longer able to speak, since supposedly an argument preceded the shooting.

 

[apricotpeach]

That's a good point. What if the officer was down on the ground with his young child beside him.

If French began to kick him,nearly missing his child, would that be grounds for using lethal force in stopping the attack, thereby protecting his child and himself from serious injury? JMO

It'll be interesting to find out where the off-duty cop was at the time the shots were fired - was he on the ground, shooting upwards towards Mr. French and/or his parents? Did he scramble to his feet in between shots? Was he still holding his kid while shooting?

I'm also wondering if the cop identified himself as an officer at any time - if not, everyone else would have just assumed he was a civilian with a gun. I can imagine that would have added to the chaos of the situation.

 

[mickey2942]

I can see the union officials now, with the attorney watching the video, crafting a perfect narrative to justify a shooting. Wonder how long that will take.

 

[bwt42]

I can see the union officials now, with the attorney watching the video, crafting a perfect narrative to justify a shooting. Wonder how long that will take.

An attorney would not be doing his job if he didn't try to protect his client. <modsnip: discussing other members>

 

[Cryptic]

That's a good point. What if the officer was down on the ground with his young child beside him.
If French began to kick him,nearly missing his child, would that be grounds for using lethal force in stopping the attack, thereby protecting his child and himself from serious injury? JMO

Yes, it would be. If the upper middle aged woman and man also joined in the maniacal beat down, lethal force would be justified against them as well.

Of course, the officer needs to show that this is what happened- not that it is simply theoretically possible that this occurred. The fact that a three way rush attack is theoretically possible is a given. The hard part could well be showing that it actually happened.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, it would be. If the upper middle aged woman and man also joined in the maniacal beat down, lethal force would be justified against them as well.

Of course, the officer needs to show that this is what happened- not that it is simply theoretically possible that this occurred. The fact that a three way rush attack is theoretically possible is a given. The hard part could well be showing that it actually happened.

I've posted this a few times above. Maybe French grabbed the officers arm and caused some shots to go awry. JMO

 

[apricotpeach]

LA Times is reporting (per the LAPD officer's lawyer) that the officer was knocked unconscious.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LA Times is reporting (per the LAPD officer's lawyer) that the officer was knocked unconscious.

“He was shopping with his wife and 1½-year-old at Costco. His son was was in his arms and he was feeding his son some samples when within seconds he was on the ground and woke up from being unconscious and he was fighting for his life,” Winslow said in an interview with The Times.

Costco shooting: LAPD officer was knocked out by attacker before opening fire, attorney says

 

[Tillicum]

DBM Already posted