Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #4

[elliefant]

Thread 3, page 7, post 137 et seq. A post by Tricia showing photo of patio at back of house with one piece of green chalk & no drawings, followed by discussion.

Just for reference.



eta : CA - CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #3
Sussed how to link it.

 

[Knox]

Maybe the mods can weigh in on the assumption that they were writing with chalk, too, since the drone footage shows no chalk.

I don't think anyone is arguing that there were actually chalk doodles on the patio? We've been over that many times, we've all seen the MSM video's which took place a day or two after they disappeared. No chalk and no doodles on the patio.

Maybe that's where the confusion is occurring? What Trezell wanted LE, the bio-family, and general public, to believe and what actually happened do not line up.
That's why the van was towed, they were asked to take a lie detector test, the back yard was forensically explored, and there were four search warrants served. Something is rotten in Denmark, IMO.

 

[Lyanna]

Thread 3, page 7, post 137 et seq. A post by Tricia showing photo of patio at back of house with one piece of green chalk & no drawings, followed by discussion.

Just for reference.



eta : CA - CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #3
Sussed how to link it.

Just looked at both pics posted that day - I can only see the piece of chalk in one of them, even when I zoomed in on the other pic, the one with the dug up yard, I couldn't see it.
Eta - i find that weird

Thanks for the link

 

[Seattle1]

I did no such thing. The bio mom did an interview the day after the babies went missing. I'm not inclined to look up any video with the way I have been treated in this thread. You all think you know everything and are quick to attack someone who doesn't agree with your assumptions.

It's ridiculous @imstilla.grandma to ask me if I have assumptions. When I posted them, if you paid attention, I posted IMO and MOO.

Respectfully, the interview by the bio-mom on 12/22/20 (day after babies missing) has been posted numerous times in response to OP claims and the interview clearly doesn't support OP statements as fact, a violation of WS TOS.

 

[Seattle1]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Police chief reveals new details about missing California City toddler brothers

Jan 22, 2021

 

[Dre]

I'm curious to know, has anyone been able to see TW's hands from before or after the video?
the ~15 mins of his hands glued in his pits is absurd to me. I mean, I would warm my hands up that same way, but release my hands to adjust my mask, or to point etc, and he just wouldn't do it.
I remember someone upthread saying he was even using his head to point to stuff. super awkward in my opinion!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I don't think anyone is arguing that there were actually chalk doodles on the patio? We've been over that many times, we've all seen the MSM video's which took place a day or two after they disappeared. No chalk and no doodles on the patio.

Maybe that's where the confusion is occurring? What Trezell wanted LE, the bio-family, and general public, to believe and what actually happened do not line up.
That's why the van was towed, they were asked to take a lie detector test, the back yard was forensically explored, and there were four search warrants served. Something is rotten in Denmark, IMO.

And it freaking stinks!

 

[elliefant]

I'm curious to know, has anyone been able to see TW's hands from before or after the video?
the ~15 mins of his hands glued in his pits is absurd to me. I mean, I would warm my hands up that same way, but release my hands to adjust my mask, or to point etc, and he just wouldn't do it.
I remember someone upthread saying he was even using his head to point to stuff. super awkward in my opinion!

At the risk of making people think my son is dodgy (he’s not), I have to admit that my son does this all the time. His hands stay put, he even does the gesturing/pointing with his head too. In all weather conditions so it’s not a cold thing. I’ve seen his friends doing it too. They are in their 20s, if that means anything.

Nevertheless that doesn’t mean there is an innocent explanation in TW’s case but I thought I should mention it.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm curious to know, has anyone been able to see TW's hands from before or after the video?
the ~15 mins of his hands glued in his pits is absurd to me. I mean, I would warm my hands up that same way, but release my hands to adjust my mask, or to point etc, and he just wouldn't do it.
I remember someone upthread saying he was even using his head to point to stuff. super awkward in my opinion!

I spent quite a long time staring at them, actually.. I thought for cold.. but not for that length of time.
His partner was swaying throughout too.
It's difficult , with masks, to read peoples' faces properly.

 

[Dre]

This will be on in 30 mins!

Bayan Wang joins Black News Channel's Kelly Wright for a discussion about the boys!
Bayan Wang 23ABC

 

[imstilla.grandma]

This will be on in 30 mins!

Bayan Wang joins Black News Channel's Kelly Wright for a discussion about the boys!
Bayan Wang 23ABC

I’m so glad you found that. I didn’t even know that channel was part of my news on Amazon.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

O. and O. are in NamUs.
Orson: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Orrin: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Dre]

O. and O. are in NamUs.
Orson: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Orrin: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

unfortunately their sizes seem pretty inaccurate.. moo

Orrin, 4 years old, 3'0" is 35lbs
Orson, 3 years old, 2'5" 40 lbs...

 

[kittythehare]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Police chief reveals new details about missing California City toddler brothers

Jan 22, 2021

This is an excellent interview, thanks for link, am playing catchup here..

 

[Seattle1]

Biological mother of missing California boys claims foul play on foster parents

Biological mother of missing California boys claims foul play on foster parents

Bayan Wang 23ABC
December 23, 2020 ·
Bakersfield resident Ryan Dean, the biologiacl mother of the missing 3 and 4-year-old California City boys, is claiming foul play against her childrens' foster parents. According to Dean, the foster mother told her Wednesday, that the children went missing after she let them out in the backyard when it was dark, so they wouldn't see her wrapping their Christmas presents

Video at link

https://www.facebook.com/bayanwang23abc/videos/vb.1460707007387889/3390174731110834/?type=2&theater

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Watching BNC. He says it’s the most bizarre case he’s seen. 30 tips a day. Int asks does there story hold up.
Search dogs not finding scent outside is most important clue of foul play. Walker says he did not tell parents they could or couldn’t do anything except be available. Sorry I lost the first part of my post. Interview on break right now.

 

[Dre]

Anything I find noteworthy from Bayan Wang's interview with Kelly Wright:
(Kelly seems to be interviewing Bayan! lots of Bayan's previous footage)
-one of Bayan's "most bizarre" cases he's ever followed
-20-30 tips per day
-3 people working daily on it

-when asked if he thinks this was foul play he said he can't say that, but then mentioned that the chief thinks foul play- partly due to the fact chief just can't figure it out, including the search dogs
-parents spoke only one time after extreme pressure
-Bayan says chief said to be available to reach them, but not that they couldn't search. (they didn't have phones, so...)

He said a lot of "I can't say, but the chief says..."
I do really want to know Bayan's actual feelings and theory!!

lol I was late to post @imstilla.grandma

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Lots of missing children in Kern county not just Cal City. Is that a problem for police dept? 13 officers small police dept. this case taxing resources. Small volunteer search groups not giving up. Bio mom thinks she will never get kids back cause AP did something. AP says understandable mom says yep. Mostly previous videos showing we’ve all already seen. Break. Talking to chief after break.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Dbm duplicate

 

[Dre]

notable from live feed with Police Chief Walker and Kelly Wright:
-7:48 pm the 911 call was made (?? is that real?)
-LE scoured neighborhood and requested footage over night the 21/22nd,
asked for other agency's help on the morning of the 22nd
-he says they feel like they're going in circles, and hope to close that circle soon.

-no they're not suspects at this time, but they're absolutely the last people to see them.
-he says they have "exhausted the neighborhood" of any leads
-he believes it is foul play because a 3-4 yo can't go terribly far (compared to their early searches) he says they would have found them, someone would have had to "assist" them out of the area nefariously.
-they've already done investigations of the RSOs in the neighborhood with no results

-Chief says he believes that racism isn't as strong in Cal City and that people seem to get along more in a way he's not experienced before