Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #5

[lonetraveler]

Really sorry about the duplicate posts. Don't know why.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Really sorry about the duplicate posts. Don't know why.

If you click to post but it appears it didn't go through, don't click again. Scroll up and see if it actually posted, even though it's acting like it didn't yet.

There has been speculation in general, not specific to this case, that financial benefits can continue after adoption but with less oversight (like home visits) required.

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 3, 2021
Live discussion held with biological cousin of missing Cal City boys (turnto23.com)
The Kern County Black Chamber of Commerce organized a live panel discussion with the biological cousin of Orrin and Orson West.

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During the discussion, the boys' cousin RW discussed the investigation and search efforts made by the biological family.

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10216608459557081

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 3, 2021
Kern County Black Chamber asks for leads in case of missing California City boys: 'Someone knows something' | News | bakersfield.com
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Nick Hill III, CEO and president of the Kern County Black Chamber of Commerce, encouraged anyone watching to share the Kern Secret Witness line for those who might be anxious about coming forward for any reason. That number is (661) 322-4040.

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The discussion featured the boys' cousin RW as well CC. Both discussed their extensive efforts in assisting the boys' biological family in search efforts.

RW said early search attempts brought them to all corners of Bakersfield: the Casa Loma Apartments, Hageman and Allen roads and Hart Park.

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Hill encouraged Wills to reinstate a [fundraiser] account to make sure the effort to send these banners and other search efforts can go as widely as they need to.

Wills said that she initially took it down because of criticism and backlash that she had received. Both panelists mentioned "backlash" as a reason that the boys' biological mother was not present at the discussion.

"She’s hurting and people are blaming her for the kids being in the system," Wills said.

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[PommyMommy]

MAR 3, 2021
Cousin of missing West boys speaks on latest in search | KBAK (bakersfieldnow.com)
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RW is a cousin of the biological father of three year-old Orson. She has been apart of searches in Bakersfield since the beginning. She says there's been at least 6 in Bakersfield, where the boys lived with their adoptive parents before moving to California City in September.

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A digital billboard with a picture of the boys and a number to call with information went up on 99 South between Seventh Standard Road and before the Oildale exit in Bakersfield.

"There are two billboards that are on Mohawk, those are digital as well," RW, said. "A lady had come forward and she wanted to help out and so she purchased those two billboards with her own money."

RW says thanks to money earned from a [fundraiser] account a billboard with a missing boys ad is coming to Tehachapi off Highway 58 soon.

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[fcavanaugh]

For me, this case points in only one direction. LE have not since almost the beginning, treated this as an abduction. They have video. We’ve all seen that video. Had a vehicle been identified in the area of the CC home, some description would have been released regardless how vague. That didn’t happen. Now we have the BPD taking over and asking for anyone that had any interaction with the boys over the course of the last year to come forward. This isn’t rocket science.

As others have stated, it’s possible the boys “disappeared” at different times. It’s also possible they disappeared the same day. In my mind there are three possible reasons these boys are missing:
1) An accident that took both of them and this “abduction/missing” business is a cover-up,
2) They were abused/neglected to death,
3) They were sold either to a loving family or some not so loving criminals.

The thought that these little ones could have been missing many months before this charade began, tells me there are others, other that the AP that know something and are complicit in a cover-up.

Regardless which scenario, only two people are responsible for whatever happened. They know and I sincerely hope the day is coming when they will be held accountable.

JMHO

Couldn’t agree more @susiQ.
And just jumping off your post-
since when from virtually moment one in a case of babies reported missing where random abduction and/or wandering off is suspected:
LE immediately removes all of the other children from the reporting parties’ home and place them into protective custody; obtain search warrants/execute searches of reporting parties’ home and possessions; confiscate all the reporting parties’ electronics; impound reporting parties’ vehicle; start digging up reporting parties’ backyard; carry bags of evidence out of the reporting parties’ home.
No BOLO, No reported suspicious vehicle(s) in neighborhood, No regular LE Press Conferences pleading with the public and displaying recent pictures of the boys, etc. etc.

IMO since day one of the boys reported missing, LE have been investigating to determine what happened to O & O, where they/their remains are, working backwards from 12/21/20, not what happened to O & O from the evening of 12/21/20-forward. (Other than wanting to know where they/their remains are located as of now, of course).
Really says it all to me.

Hopefully the above paragraph makes sense. I know what I’m trying to say, but not sure if I’m explaining it right. Been following a lot of cases, and I’m tired.

Hoping and praying someone starts talking, Orrin & Orson are found soon, and responsible parties held accountable.

IMHOO

 

[kshultz06082]

Another thing we haven't see, is either pictures of the boys wearing masks or even a picture altered to show what they might look like with a mask on....

I don't think we are looking for living children. That would explain why there seems to be no urgency in getting recent pictures from anyone. None of the police have given what I would consider a reasonable answer when asked about the lack of recent pictures. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I cannot understand how these kids are supposed to be recognized by pictures that are over a year old. Kids grow and change WAY to much from 1 year to the next at their ages.

Jmo

 

[anniejanet]

I speculate we are now going to witness a rapid unraveling of the original story provided. Fasten your seatbelts, stuff is about to get real...

amateur opinion and speculation

Here's hoping.

 

[Number8]

Another thing we haven't see, is either pictures of the boys wearing masks or even a picture altered to show what they might look like with a mask on....

I don't think we are looking for living children. That would explain why there seems to be no urgency in getting recent pictures from anyone. None of the police have given what I would consider a reasonable answer when asked about the lack of recent pictures. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I cannot understand how these kids are supposed to be recognized by pictures that are over a year old. Kids grow and change WAY to much from 1 year to the next at their ages.

Jmo

The WHO/UNICEF state that children 5yrs and under should not be required to wear masks so that would likely not be relevant anyway. I think the main issue is the seeming lack of ANY recent photos... as many in this thread have stated, it is of the utmost urgency to find them and recent pictures would help the public be able to identify them better. If they had more recent pics they would've been released.

I think many of us feel the same way I just can't bring myself to write it. I think there is always hope they are alive until we find out otherwise.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Another thing we haven't see, is either pictures of the boys wearing masks or even a picture altered to show what they might look like with a mask on....

I don't think we are looking for living children. That would explain why there seems to be no urgency in getting recent pictures from anyone. None of the police have given what I would consider a reasonable answer when asked about the lack of recent pictures. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I cannot understand how these kids are supposed to be recognized by pictures that are over a year old. Kids grow and change WAY to much from 1 year to the next at their ages.

Jmo

Yes, I think the pictures the parents initially gave police are the most recent pictures they had. I'm not sure they are really over a year old, though. Orrin looks like he could be almost four but Orson looks like he could be closer to two. You can see how much they've changed, especially Orrin, from the pictures the bio mom provided.

I don't know when the picture was taken of the whole family in the restaurant, but they do look a little younger than the missing children pictures.

Maybe police won't say why the parents don't have any recent pictures because "it's part of the investigation."

Anyway, we already know JW told the media she did have recent pictures on her phone yet she never provided them, which tells me she likely doesn't have any.

 

[Deanna426]

This has really got me thinking... if I had seen a family with 6 children in tow at some point in the past year I would likely have remembered it...Unfortunately with Covid the chances of them all being out and about may be a lot slimmer but I truly hope someone out there has a memory - even if previously they thought there was nothing in it to report - and calls it in. Praying for these sweet boys to be brought home.

I have six children between the ages of one and 14. Wherever we go, we are noticed. They are usually talking, moving, running, arguing, laughing, etc., so if you didn’t see us, you hear us. At the store, we get in the way. I’m frequently reminding my kids to stay to one side so people can get past us. People are often curious and want to ask questions or just comment about my family. With Covid, we have gone out much less than we normally would, but there are still doctors appointments, dentist visits, and errands that still need to be taken care of. I will say, I think missing any of those types of visits with Covid, there wouldn’t be much suspicion since they don’t want you to show up if anyone has any potential Covid symptoms. You could cancel, tell them you will call them back and reschedule and then just not follow throughout and it would probably be awhile before they sent a reminder letter or anything, if at all.
MOO

 

[Knox]

I have six children between the ages of one and 14. Wherever we go, we are noticed. They are usually talking, moving, running, arguing, laughing, etc., so if you didn’t see us, you hear us. At the store, we get in the way. I’m frequently reminding my kids to stay to one side so people can get past us. People are often curious and want to ask questions or just comment about my family. With Covid, we have gone out much less than we normally would, but there are still doctors appointments, dentist visits, and errands that still need to be taken care of. I will say, I think missing any of those types of visits with Covid, there wouldn’t be much suspicion since they don’t want you to show up if anyone has any potential Covid symptoms. You could cancel, tell them you will call them back and reschedule and then just not follow throughout and it would probably be awhile before they sent a reminder letter or anything, if at all.
MOO

I love kids so I always engage when out and about, I'd be one to comment on your beautiful family.

Thank you for pointing out the noise factor involved with six kids. I've said this many times - six kids who are home 24/7 and not going to school, cannot be so quiet that neighbors would not EVER hear them playing in the backyard. Covid did not prevent kids from playing in their own backyard, within a sibling group. Could you imagine keeping six boys age 9-3 in the house? We're talking a single story small home.

This was one of the biggest clues something was not right with this family.

 

[Number8]

I love kids so I always engage when out and about, I'd be one to comment on your beautiful family.

Thank you for pointing out the noise factor involved with six kids. I've said this many times - six kids who are home 24/7 and not going to school, cannot be so quiet that neighbors would not EVER hear them playing in the backyard. Covid did not prevent kids from playing in their own backyard, within a sibling group. Could you imagine keeping six boys age 9-3 in the house? We're talking a single story small home.

This was one of the biggest clues something was not right with this family.

The Cal City police chief clarified in his most recent interview (before it got turfed to Bakersfield) that they did later find neighbours who saw and/or heard the kids - after that initial statement was made.

 

[Knox]

The Cal City police chief clarified in his most recent interview (before it got turfed to Bakersfield) that they did later find neighbours who saw and/or heard the kids - after that initial statement was made.

The neighbor with the pool directly behind the West home, did not waver in her interview. I doubt she suddenly remembered seeing or hearing them later, she was quite clear in her observations.

 

[Number8]

The neighbor with the pool directly behind the West home, did not waver in her interview. I doubt she suddenly remembered seeing or hearing them later, she was quite clear in her observations.

So then other neighbours or folks nearby must’ve seen them. He was quite clear in the video - when the reporter brings it up he strongly states that was no longer the case and they found neighbours afterwards who had. (Not necessarily O&O, but their kids in general)

Editing to add - mentioned in this video, starting at 14:37:
KGET.com exclusive: Interview with the California City police chief on Orrin and Orson West disappearance | KGET 17

 

[ChatteringBirds]

So it's still the case that no neighbors in Cal. City are certain they have seen all 6 children together at least once, as far as has been reported?

 

[MsBetsy]

So it's still the case that no neighbors in Cal. City are certain they have seen all 6 children together at least once, as far as has been reported?

Yes, the neighbors who did see the kids apparently did not know one from the other. I don't think anyone has reported seeing all six kids at one time, though.

 

[mishbloom]

Six kids (and/or various combinations thereof) could include nieces, nephews, cousins, friends from Bakersfield kids.

Unless and until someone who knows them well comes forward and says, yes they were in Cal City, I don't think O&O were ever there.

(all MOO)

 

[mommacass]

Another thing we haven't see, is either pictures of the boys wearing masks or even a picture altered to show what they might look like with a mask on....

I don't think we are looking for living children. That would explain why there seems to be no urgency in getting recent pictures from anyone. None of the police have given what I would consider a reasonable answer when asked about the lack of recent pictures. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I cannot understand how these kids are supposed to be recognized by pictures that are over a year old. Kids grow and change WAY to much from 1 year to the next at their ages.

Jmo

Are there any school pictures?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Are there any school pictures?

With the pandemic, probably not. But someone should have seen them online?
It could be that with all those boys, identities might have been easily “confused”. The “shell game” comes to mind.

amateur opinion and speculation