CA - Pacific Palisades - 30,000 People Ordered to Evacuate From L.A. Wildfires #2

[PrairieWind]

How would you know?

PG&E to face manslaughter trial over deadly California fire

A judge in Shasta County ruled there was enough evidence for the country’s largest utility to face trial on 11 felony and misdemeanor charges, including involuntary manslaughter and recklessly starting a fire, in the 2020 incident.

www.nbcnews.com

Couple charged with involuntary manslaughter after gender reveal sparks deadly fire

A couple whose gender reveal celebration triggered the El Dorado Fire in California last year that killed a firefighter and left 13 injured has been charged.

abcnews.go.com

Antonio Ornelas-Velazquez To Be Arraigned For Involuntary Manslaughter In 2019 Sandalwood Fire

Antonio Ornelas-Velazquez, 38, of Desert Hot Springs, is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday on two counts of involuntary manslaughter and one count of burning an inhabited structure.

www.cbsnews.com

Well, I don't know if for a fact. But the fact that he called 911, and the fire department left the scene after determining the fire was out, even though it was not, is likely to make getting a conviction on manslaughter charges difficult.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I don't see why. If he were driving recklessly and caused a crash and then called 911, it shouldn't make a difference imo.

 

[mickey2942]

Should get manslaughter charges. moo

I wish we could add "Animal Cruelty" charges. More than property crime. Arson. Prison isn't a nice place for animal abusers. They rate even lower than child killers.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't see why. If he were driving recklessly and caused a crash and then called 911, it shouldn't make a difference imo.

I started to answer this one way, but then deleted it. Lets just say, in my opinion, a prosecutor will have real concerns about being able to secure a conviction on this case.

 

[mickey2942]

I started to answer this one way, but then deleted it. Lets just say, in my opinion, a prosecutor will have real concerns about being able to secure a conviction on this case.

Probably.

 

[LinasK]

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Pic was on his computer from ChatGTP downloaded prior to the fire.

Was just coming to post this.

 

[LinasK]

Well, I don't know if for a fact. But the fact that he called 911, and the fire department left the scene after determining the fire was out, even though it was not, is likely to make getting a conviction on manslaughter charges difficult.

Yet the ATF agent in the article I read, said that he did that as kinda an alibi type thing. To make it look like he couldn't possibly have started it because he was cooperative.

 

[PrairieWind]

Yet the ATF agent in the article I read, said that he did that as kinda an alibi type thing. To make it look like he couldn't possibly have started it because he was cooperative.

Did this man start this fire that led to all this horror? Yes, clearly. I am just saying there may be good reasons why we don't see prosecutors bring those manslaughter charges so many want. Maybe I am totally wrong.

 

[LinasK]

Yet the ATF agent in the article I read, said that he did that as kinda an alibi type thing. To make it look like he couldn't possibly have started it because he was cooperative.

What's his defense gonna do- blame the fire department? They said that he intentionally started the original fire. He was angry and agitated on his Uber drives right beforehand and had been watching/listening to arson images/music immediately beforehand. The Palisades fire was one of those rebound-type fires (can't recall the exact terminology) where the hot spots aren't completely extinguished and it starts back up again. The bottom line is that he chose to start a fire at the time of year when it was extreme fire danger and extremely dry, windy conditions. He knew what would happen and tried to blame it on cigarettes, which I read that they can prove wasn't the case. I'm extremely angry at this guy because several of my relatives homes were threatened, including my grandparents home.

 

[Cedars]

'Why wasn’t the fire put out on the 1st?' Cause of Palisades fire leaves residents with more questions

A new finding that the Palisades fire was a restart of an arson blaze on Jan. 1 that firefighters believed they put out has heightened concerns from some residents about the Los Angeles Fire Department’s performance.

www.latimes.com

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I started to answer this one way, but then deleted it. Lets just say, in my opinion, a prosecutor will have real concerns about being able to secure a conviction on this case.

Your logic would also go against the charge he did get, so I don't buy it.

Anyway, they said they may file additional charges, so we'll see.

And maybe the state will file their own case.

Man accused of 'maliciously' igniting fire that caused the deadly Palisades Fire: DOJ

The fire caused widespread destruction in Los Angeles County and killed a dozen people earlier this year.

abcnews.go.com

Essayli said the DOJ will make determinations on additional charges against Rinderknecht in the coming days.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

The complaint pdf. DOJ complaint and affidavit

 

[Rosydecember]

Your logic would also go against the charge he did get, so I don't buy it.

Anyway, they said they may file additional charges, so we'll see.

And maybe the state will file their own case.

Man accused of 'maliciously' igniting fire that caused the deadly Palisades Fire: DOJ

The fire caused widespread destruction in Los Angeles County and killed a dozen people earlier this year.

abcnews.go.com

Essayli said the DOJ will make determinations on additional charges against Rinderknecht in the coming days.

Considering @PrairieWind is a verified attorney, I would take what they say with a bit more weight. Not sure why you feel the need to be a bit aggressive, but it’s uncalled for.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Just disagreeing here, nothing hostile intended. Again, I don't see how the the 911 call is an issue. It would apply to the destruction of property charge just as much. So would the fire response aspect, as the charge applies to property destroyed from the later fire. He wasn't even the first person to call 911 about the fire. And he lied about what happened, he didn't admit he caused it.

Also, in the fire I referenced that was caused by a gender reveal stunt, it wasn't even intentional arson, and they also called 911, but still got a manslaughter charge.

It was a very heinous, unconscionable thing to do in that area. It's not some little oopsie where you should get a pass if you change your mind later.