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CA CA - Riverside, WhtMale, pre-30s, UP134825, traffic accident, picture avil, multiple tattoos, June 2 1978
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A lot of kids in the juvenile system gave themselves tattoos back then. And with him being so young, homeless, a pro at hitchhiking, and having already been to Oregon and they have proof he was hitchhiking in Oregon. been arrested for the knife, posted bail, Las Vegas and now Riverside, along with the tattoos, it makes me think he spent some time in a juvenile detention facility, not an adult jail or prison, at some point.
Was this case sitting in an archive gathering dust before it was put into NamUs? It makes me sad to think how many more Does are just like this...
I also think Mark might be his name. It sounds weird to tattoo your own name, but he wouldn't be the first Doe to do it.
I also think Mark might be his name. It sounds weird to tattoo your own name, but he wouldn't be the first Doe to do it.
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He was too busy to be tattooing himself like that. I think he was locked up as a older juvenile at some point and gave himself the tattoos.
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I didn't see anything about Las Vegas. What was the proof they had for that? I did see they said he told them he had been an organ for seven days. If it's true, he was in Juvie and maybe aged out the names are probably people he met in Juvie if he aged out the system, the kids he was hanging out with or 17 I believe I feel like they might have his age wrong. He could've just aged out the system and been hitchhiking ever since. He obviously had money to post bail, Wonder how you got that. I'm not sure how Juvy works, but almost makes sense, He didn't have his own ID. Maybe they don't help them get that. His birthday had to be between May 21 and June 20 is what I'm guessing since he has a Gemini tattoo and the symbol also represents Gemini, which makes me question if he had just aged out at 18 maybe he was about to turn 19 or just turned 19, so wouldn't have been hitchhiking that long, which might be easier to retrace his steps back to where he came from.
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I believe I trad it in the local newspaper article from the accident that he had been through Vegas.I think the driver was alive for a while and was able to give information before he succumbed to his injuries.
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He was most likely a drifter..no actual ID, just a sleeping bag , an article of clothing or two, and a brush. We know he passed through Oregon, Nevada, and California. IMO, he wasn't reported missing. I wonder how he paid for the bail in Reno..maybe the wallet he stole in Oregon contained cash? No mention of what became of his body or the hair brush? Think this case needs DNA / Genealogy testing IF there is anything available to do so. @othram
Also, what are your thoughts on his age?
I'm thinking 23 ish?
Also, what are your thoughts on his age?
I'm thinking 23 ish?
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I think he was around 19-22 and I also believe his birthday was between months of May 21st and June 20th .. I believe I seen they buried him. If he ages out the system it would make sense he didn't have a ID and no one looking for him also if he did age out maybe he was tuning 19 or did right before he died. So he got a charge may 4th in Oregon than may 24th for larceny if that's what it reads he wentt back and fourth between them two states .. it also states that Danny didn't know if those where the only charges where he used his name maybe that's something to look into
20-25ish, I would guess. I'm not an expert tho.
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I would also say 18-25. Probably closer to 25.
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It's odd that there was seemingly a flurry of strange activity with this kid right before he passed away. Something had to have happened in the months leading up to him being in Oregon. And if Kirchoff was dealing in drugs why would he be hitchhiking and seemingly desperate and broke? And needing to go to California?
I was told it was Reno not Vegas.
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I've reached out to see if there were dentals taken for the Riverside Doe, as Chris Freeman missing since 1977, is giving me pause. Mainly on his coloring, height, bone structure, and upper lip. Naturally, both pictures show him with glasses effectively covering his eyebrows, but the line of the ears and the hair are close to Doe (granted the 70s had abundant middle parts). I believe it's a class picture of a younger Chris, even middle school?...so pre-age 20 (incidentally, notice he was 20, not the 30 listed, confirmed on Namus). In the spirit of class picture day, I'm thinking his hair may have been wet down and/or puberty-greased for this picture but may naturally have frizzed to more resemble our Doe. Especially as he aged. The nostrils don't seem dissimilar, but Chris's central versus lateral incisors would be a good start on a comparison. The post-mortem of Doe's upper lip appears to me both thin AND uneven, like Chris.
As for circumstances, Chris could be anywhere, dead or alive. His assumed locations are MN, FL, PA and AZ, so I don't think he was adverse to traveling, apparently like Doe. From other sources, there's speculation Chris came to harm 12 days before his also-missing friend disappeared. Followed by just as adamant sources stating while they may have planned to disappear (together, or separately), they would not harm each other. So who knows. If Chris were on the run from someone/s or simply wanted to disappear, he might conceivably turn to petty crimes to finance his travels if he couldn't get back to his stored belongings immediately. So, a grain of salt there and back to physicality.
For Doe...my pure speculation on the tattoos, non-professional and may have been inked in detention or prison, but just as likely in a friend's basement and/or self-administered. The cross is on his right knee, which to me screams self-administered - by a right-handed person. "Mark" appears to be on his left hand knuckles, so again by a righty if self-done. As for being a Gemini, it makes the most sense. But he also appears to like names on his body, in all caps, so could this be a name (or better guess, a nickname)? And if not of himself or another person, of a brand, band or other entity? Meanwhile, it also stands to reason HIS name is Mark, but again, who knows. The "M" in Mark on his knuckles is of a different style than the other Mark, which appears to be over an endotracheal intubation not yet removed after death. To my eye, it's minimally visible on the post-mortem face shot. That "M" is also different than the "M" in Gemini...which says to me they were not only done at different times, but by different "artists," which unfortunately means nothing w/o context. Ditto for a neck tattoo post-mortem clearly after the mugshot. But I agree "Jesse" could be a girlfriend/wife, or ex-girlfriend/wife. Or with the banner, possibly a deceased person or even pet. Lastly, the symbol resembles some sort of rune, but another grain of salt here that it wasn't just chosen for looks and has no meaning whatsoever (or if it does it was even known by Doe in the first place). I'm thinking of cases of 'tribal' tattoos and non-sensical Chinese characters which could lead down myriad rabbit holes.
If Doe IS actually named Mark, than it's obviously likely not Chris, unless Chris intentionally tatted himself with a different name. It seems rather cloak and dagger to do that, especially since ANY tattoo is a potential trace if you're on the lam. One lingering question for me is WHAT is on Doe's upper chest by his collar. To me it looks like a bandana inspired or navy blue paisley bandage, neither of which seems logical.
Anyway, I'll confirm if I get a response, as Chris's exclusions are mainly super-vigilant state of VA Does.
As for circumstances, Chris could be anywhere, dead or alive. His assumed locations are MN, FL, PA and AZ, so I don't think he was adverse to traveling, apparently like Doe. From other sources, there's speculation Chris came to harm 12 days before his also-missing friend disappeared. Followed by just as adamant sources stating while they may have planned to disappear (together, or separately), they would not harm each other. So who knows. If Chris were on the run from someone/s or simply wanted to disappear, he might conceivably turn to petty crimes to finance his travels if he couldn't get back to his stored belongings immediately. So, a grain of salt there and back to physicality.
For Doe...my pure speculation on the tattoos, non-professional and may have been inked in detention or prison, but just as likely in a friend's basement and/or self-administered. The cross is on his right knee, which to me screams self-administered - by a right-handed person. "Mark" appears to be on his left hand knuckles, so again by a righty if self-done. As for being a Gemini, it makes the most sense. But he also appears to like names on his body, in all caps, so could this be a name (or better guess, a nickname)? And if not of himself or another person, of a brand, band or other entity? Meanwhile, it also stands to reason HIS name is Mark, but again, who knows. The "M" in Mark on his knuckles is of a different style than the other Mark, which appears to be over an endotracheal intubation not yet removed after death. To my eye, it's minimally visible on the post-mortem face shot. That "M" is also different than the "M" in Gemini...which says to me they were not only done at different times, but by different "artists," which unfortunately means nothing w/o context. Ditto for a neck tattoo post-mortem clearly after the mugshot. But I agree "Jesse" could be a girlfriend/wife, or ex-girlfriend/wife. Or with the banner, possibly a deceased person or even pet. Lastly, the symbol resembles some sort of rune, but another grain of salt here that it wasn't just chosen for looks and has no meaning whatsoever (or if it does it was even known by Doe in the first place). I'm thinking of cases of 'tribal' tattoos and non-sensical Chinese characters which could lead down myriad rabbit holes.
If Doe IS actually named Mark, than it's obviously likely not Chris, unless Chris intentionally tatted himself with a different name. It seems rather cloak and dagger to do that, especially since ANY tattoo is a potential trace if you're on the lam. One lingering question for me is WHAT is on Doe's upper chest by his collar. To me it looks like a bandana inspired or navy blue paisley bandage, neither of which seems logical.
Anyway, I'll confirm if I get a response, as Chris's exclusions are mainly super-vigilant state of VA Does.
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Would be interested to know if this Vernon worked for the railroad.
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Also, this " identity birth card" of Daniels that the UID was using. I assume this isn't the same as an ID? It obviously had his address but what about a pic including height and weight? IF it did include these things, our victim was able to pass as Daniel, at least in LEs eyes.
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